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Of course it's not official. edit: well now that I've sniped I'll ask crofts again. Where's Squigly?!
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Buhbuhj posted:Of course it's not official. Nowhere because she's a dumb character who will never be in the game.
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Niddhogg posted:Nowhere because she's a dumb character who will never be in the game. Nidd I'm breaking loose because of your socal attitude!
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So how does the infinite prevention system interact with assists? If I do LP MP HP assist hits LP MP HP is that 2 sections or 3? Given the weirdness shown with Cerebella's assist earlier I am confused. The IPS seems like a tricky design problem in that while the basic rule ("don't start a chain with a move you've already used") is very simple, in order to make combos that intuitively seem like they 'should' work actually work, they've had to add more exceptions which make the system harder to understand. I think they struck a decent balance between having a comprehensible set of rules and letting people do combos they feel like they should be able to do, but the entire system is far from ideal really. Mike Z's insistence that the system is "not hard to understand" when so many people are evidently having trouble understanding it is kind of funny too. The entire attitude of "I'm just going to dismiss user perceptions that I perceive as inaccurate" strikes me as odd from a self-proclaimed Designer. At the same time, the fact that he's pretty much making a game for himself means we aren't going to get stupid balance changes and kowtowing to the demands of bads, so double-edged sword I guess. Spermgod fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jan 12, 2012 |
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Jan 12, 2012 17:58
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Tokyo Slutty Gal posted:So how does the infinite prevention system interact with assists? If I do LP MP HP assist hits LP MP HP is that 2 sections or 3? Given the weirdness shown with Cerebella's assist earlier I am confused. That is 2 sections, since you are (technically) linking HP into LP. Also the assist is remembered, so if you use an assist in a combo then DHC that character in and start a section of a combo with that same move, you will trigger an infinite. This almost never comes up though.
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Jan 12, 2012 18:01
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Jmcrofts posted:Also the assist is remembered, so if you use an assist in a combo then DHC that character in and start a section of a combo with that same move, you will trigger an infinite. This doesn't seem ideal. If the assist call is limited to once per combo anyway (I'm assuming it is, like Marvel) I don't see why it's important to remember the assist called move. If you DHC to another character and then do that move that sounds like fair play to me, I'd be confused as a player if someone busted out of an "infinite" as I start a combo with a brand new character. As you say, I'm sure it hardly ever comes up, but it seems like an intentional design choice so it seems like something that maybe needs more consideration or at least explanation.
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That does seem consistent in that it's just hitting with a move you've already hit with though. I'm not sure what would constitute 'starting a section' with an assist though? Would that just be the assist connecting and there being a neutral state before the point's next move?
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Jan 12, 2012 18:45
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Tokyo Slutty Gal posted:Mike Z's insistence that the system is "not hard to understand" when so many people are evidently having trouble understanding it is kind of funny too. The entire attitude of "I'm just going to dismiss user perceptions that I perceive as inaccurate" strikes me as odd from a self-proclaimed Designer. At the same time, the fact that he's pretty much making a game for himself means we aren't going to get stupid balance changes and kowtowing to the demands of bads, so double-edged sword I guess. I think his point is that he could explain it until he's blue in the face but it will make sense once people play the game. I can see why he'd be frustrated trying to describe something when he could just wait until the game is really out in the wild and having everyone "get it" at the same time.
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Let me see if I understand this properly, a series of canceled moves is a section and a new section begins when and only when you finish a move's recovery without canceling it, thereby returning to a standing or air neutral state. IPS only kicks in if you start a section with an attack that you aleady used to start a previous section (except the first ground section, which is entirely ignored). That's the sum total of it right?
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Niddhogg posted:Nowhere because she's a dumb character who will never be in the game. I hated her until I saw the picture of her in Ouroborus Stance and now I'm sad she's gone, but not as sad as Umbrella because she's still the best.
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Jan 12, 2012 19:29
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Fenn the Fool! posted:Let me see if I understand this properly, a series of canceled moves is a section and a new section begins when and only when you finish a move's recovery without canceling it, thereby returning to a standing or air neutral state. IPS only kicks in if you start a section with an attack that you aleady used to start a previous section (except the first ground section, which is entirely ignored). That's the sum total of it right? Basically kind of? But sections also start when you jump cancel a launcher, or when you airdash cancel an air move. quote:That does seem consistent in that it's just hitting with a move you've already hit with though. I'm not sure what would constitute 'starting a section' with an assist though? Would that just be the assist connecting and there being a neutral state before the point's next move? I mean starting a section with a move that you already used as an assist. Like if I landed cerebella cr.LP assist, DHC'd cerebella in, and then did OTG cr.LP all in one combo, that would trigger an infinite.
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Countblanc posted:I hated her until I saw the picture of her in Ouroborus Stance and now I'm sad she's gone, but not as sad as Umbrella because she's still the best. Those 5000 gimmick stances weren't gonna be in the game.
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Jmcrofts posted:Basically kind of? But sections also start when you jump cancel a launcher, or when you airdash cancel an air move. Still the general rule of "a section is a series of cancled attacks, if you do anything but cancel into an attack you're starting a new section" holds and seems like the simplest way to explain it. Does an assist hit always start a new section or can it hit in the middle of a section?
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Jan 12, 2012 20:39
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Jmcrofts posted:Basically kind of? But sections also start when you jump cancel a launcher, or when you airdash cancel an air move. I don't understand what is starting a section with an assist though. If an assist connects in the middle of my chain, I assume that doesn't start a new section?
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Fenn the Fool! posted:Still the general rule of "a section is a series of cancled attacks, if you do anything but cancel into an attack you're starting a new section" holds and seems like the simplest way to explain it. Does an assist hit always start a new section or can it hit in the middle of a section? Depends. If I do something like cr.lp, cr.mp+assist hits, cr.HP, then it is only one section provided all 3 normals hit. If I did like cr.lp, cr.mp, cr.hp, assist hits, cr.LP, then the cr.LP is starting a new section.
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Jmcrofts posted:That is 2 sections, since you are (technically) linking HP into LP. Jmcrofts posted:Depends. If I do something like cr.lp, cr.mp+assist hits, cr.HP, then it is only one section provided all 3 normals hit. If I did like cr.lp, cr.mp, cr.hp, assist hits, cr.LP, then the cr.LP is starting a new section. These two seem to imply that an assist itself never starts a new section, thus I don't understand how it triggers infinite prevention. 
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Tokyo Slutty Gal posted:These two seem to imply that an assist itself never starts a new section, thus I don't understand how it triggers infinite prevention. The assist doesn't trigger it. But when you switch in that character to point, you use the move that you had set as their assist. The move is remembered when you use it as the assist, and then it triggers the IPS when you use it on point.
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Oooooh *slaps forehead* okay that makes a lot more sense lol
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Jmcrofts posted:The assist doesn't trigger it. But when you switch in that character to point, you use the move that you had set as their assist. The move is remembered when you use it as the assist, and then it triggers the IPS when you use it on point. Wait, but only the first move of a section matters right? When does the assist count as the first attack of the section? In your "cr.lp, cr.mp, cr.hp, assist hits, cr.lp" example you said the cr.lp would be the start of a new section, is the assist in this example a section all by itself or lumped in with the first 3 hits?
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Fenn the Fool! posted:Wait, but only the first move of a section matters right? When does the assist count as the first attack of the section? In your "cr.lp, cr.mp, cr.hp, assist hits, cr.lp" example you said the cr.lp would be the start of a new section, is the assist in this example a section all by itself or lumped in with the first 3 hits? Any move you've done previously in the combo can't be used to start a chain
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Jan 12, 2012 23:27
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Do Parasoul's napalm tears have a set duration or do they just stay on screen until you detonate them?
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SpaceBees posted:Do Parasoul's napalm tears have a set duration or do they just stay on screen until you detonate them? Whichever comes first. You can detonate them with her charge down/up move (Napalm Pillar), if they're shot by another tear, or after a few seconds.
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That should make doing her combos a bit easier.
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PalmTreeFun posted:Whichever comes first. You can detonate them with her charge down/up move (Napalm Pillar), if they're shot by another tear, or after a few seconds. Touching them with any move that has flames on it will detonate them too I think.
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This thread is moving a bit slow, so here's some more SoCal Regionals videos: Round 3: Koyunlu vs. Copperdabbit Round 4: Baloney O's vs OFC Kingsley Round 5: Copperdabbit vs. At My Limit Round 6: Oddo3 vs. Shinatproof Round 7: Baloney O's vs. Dantarion Enjoy! Edit: Fixed spelling error. Jetpack Postman fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jan 14, 2012 |
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Jetpack Postman posted:This thread is moving a bit slow, so here's some more SoCal Regionals videos: at this point everyone's just misspelling Koyunlu just to gently caress with me aren't they  labeling them as "round 3-round 7" is kind of inaccurate, these are all from the top 8.
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Nerokerubina posted:at this point everyone's just misspelling Koyunlu just to gently caress with me aren't they It's how they're labeled on the video listing.
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Jetpack Postman posted:It's how they're labeled on the video listing. Yeah I'm just pointing out that the video listing is kind of misleading!
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This is all subjective but watching those top 8 videos confirmed to me how little I like this game's aesthetics. - The backgrounds are very nice looking and I appreciate the character animation but a lot of the colors blend into the background too easily (in the "Round 3" video I found it really hard to follow Peacock's projectiles.) Also there doesn't seem to be any distinction in the character portraits of their color by team? I think you can do custom colors but I'm assuming anything that makes it a visual challenge to see your character won't be allowed in tournaments? - The voice acting. I know this isn't a big budget Capcom production or anything, but outside of the announcer and Peacock (which are really well-done and memorable) the rest of the voice cast is either forgettable or really bad. Ms. Fortune is particular is grating. I'll wait for the finished product to decide but right now I don't think this is a day 1 auto-buy for me. CubsWoo fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Jan 14, 2012 |
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CubsWoo posted:This is all subjective but watching those top 8 videos confirmed to me how little I like this game's aesthetics. Are you telling me that 'Get ready for a SHOWSTOPPER!' isn't memorable? Man, you need to do something about those ears. Admittedly, the quotes from Filia and Ms. Fortune are kinda eh, but Peacock, Parasoul and Cerebella are all great.
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I love Ms. Fortune's voice clips. My only real complaint(which is admittedly dumb as gently caress) is that it bugs me that Parasoul has like 3 or 4 different voice clips with different inflections for Napalm Shot.
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So Squigly is confirmed to be cut? I must have missed something somewhere.
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It's a good line, but it's one line. The rest of Cerebella's VA is just flat. Parasoul's VA seems bored for lack of a better term. Maybe that's the direction (elite squad leader/princess who's just utterly sick of fighting and wants to be done with it and go home) but the line deliveries feel like they're being read off a script.
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This might be the best FG this year but I'm not going to buy it because the voice acting and the colors. Time to play UMvC3 where everyone says "YOU LIKE THAT??!"
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a cock shaped fruit posted:So Squigly is confirmed to be cut? I must have missed something somewhere. It was confirmed on the SRK forums that Squigly and Umbrella would not be members of the initial cast but they'll be early DLC. Something about not having the budget to do 10 characters at launch.
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dat fukkin dog!! posted:This might be the best FG this year but I'm not going to buy it because the voice acting and the colors. Time to play UMvC3 where everyone says "YOU LIKE THAT??!" Hey man the VAs just wanted to make sure that Im having a good time playing their videogame. Feels nice that they care.
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If there's any reason this game will flop it's gonna be people misinterpreting the DLC aspect of the extra characters and GOD DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU PAID FOR A GAME YOU GOT THE GAME GODDAMMMIT Reddit poo poo everywhere.
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ZackHoagie posted:If there's any reason this game will flop it's gonna be people misinterpreting the DLC aspect of the extra characters and GOD DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU PAID FOR A GAME YOU GOT THE GAME GODDAMMMIT Reddit poo poo everywhere. Well, I'm not a fan of it. I hate these "free"/casual pay2win games like Blood Line Champions or League of Legends that let people to pay money to unlock the new hero that they manage to cram in every week. If this stays relevant enough to be a tourny game, will people have to buy 20+ dlc characters on every console there? However, I will be buying skull girls no questions asked. I am disappointed that there will only be 8 chars in a 3v3 game, but I think I can handle it.
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