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I just picked up To Shatter all Accord by Discipline and it's probably my new favourite album of 2011. Something about it reminds me of Gazpacho at some points, but all around a wonderful album to listen to. Has anyone listened to their previous two albums? I had never heard of them before this album but it seems like they've been on a 15 year or so hiatus.
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Hey guys I've been checking out Rush, Yes and King Crimson. I'm pretty new to the genre... Where should I go from here? What are some essential Prog bands? Thanks  e: cheers guys I have been reading the thread
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Hollenhammer posted:Hey guys I've been checking out Rush, Yes and King Crimson. I'm pretty new to the genre... Where should I go from here? What are some essential Prog bands? Get Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's album Tarkus. I don't really get into a lot of their stuff, but the song Tarkus is really cool (and it's something like 20 minutes long). Mithra6 fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jan 24, 2012 |
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Jan 24, 2012 16:21
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Hollenhammer posted:Hey guys I've been checking out Rush, Yes and King Crimson. I'm pretty new to the genre... Where should I go from here? What are some essential Prog bands? The big essentials aside from those are ELP, Genesis (before 1977), Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, and maybe PFM. At least for the 70's. As far as later bands I'd say that Marillion, Porcupine Tree, Anekdoten, the Mars Volta, and Wobbler are stand out acts. You should also check out some of the more proggish jazz fusion groups like the Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weather Report.
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Hollenhammer posted:Hey guys I've been checking out Rush, Yes and King Crimson. I'm pretty new to the genre... Where should I go from here? What are some essential Prog bands? You're probably just going to want to read the thread for an answer to that. As far as big names in the first wave of British prog go, there's still Emerson, Lake & Palmer (start with Brain Salad Surgery), Genesis (start with Nursery Cryme), and Jethro Tull (start with Thick as a Brick). Gentle Giant are more challenging and a bit of an acquired taste, but were one of the first prog bands I listened to and I adore them. I recommend starting with Free Hand or the Out of the Woods/Totally Out of the Woods compilation. If you enjoy Gentle Giant, they're a good introduction into avant-prog despite not really being avant-prog themselves. If you find you really like the 1973-74 King Crimson albums, look into krautrock, as King Crimson have more in common with German bands of that era than the British prog scene. Edit: To briefly return to Porcupine Tree discussion, I finally listened to Stupid Dream the other day and it's definitely my favorite PT album so far. Still haven't gotten around to Lightbulb Sun, The Incident, and most of their earlier albums though. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jan 24, 2012 |
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Jan 24, 2012 16:32
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Earwicker posted:The big essentials aside from those are ... Genesis (before 1977) edit; there's also Domino, while I'm at it. I think the 80's electronic elements help make this track pretty unique and interesting and makes me wish that Genesis blended their older songwriting style more effectively and more often with what equipment was available to them by the mid 80's (I acknowledge that Gabriel and Hackett - and to a lesser extent, Anthony Phillips - were important to that sound, but they were pretty huge by this time and would definitely have had a queue of guys with similar chops clamouring to play alongside them). an_mutt fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 00:20
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Hollenhammer posted:Hey guys I've been checking out Rush, Yes and King Crimson. I'm pretty new to the genre... Where should I go from here? What are some essential Prog bands?
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Jan 26, 2012 06:04
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The Flower Kings' Unfold the Future is straight-up 70s/80s prog worship, but really really good. There's songs on there that really ape King Crimson and Yes, in particular.
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Jan 26, 2012 12:50
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:The Flower Kings' Unfold the Future is straight-up 70s/80s prog worship, but really really good. There's songs on there that really ape King Crimson and Yes, in particular. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yeywUMtqqs
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Hollenhammer posted:Hey guys I've been checking out Rush, Yes and King Crimson. I'm pretty new to the genre... Where should I go from here? What are some essential Prog bands? For a well rounded experience of prog: Thick As A Brick by Jethro Tull Apostrophe by Frank Zappa (it's one of his more mainstream and easier to get into) Octopus by Gentle Giant Per Un Amico by PFM In The Land of Grey and Pink by Caravan Six by Soft Machine Renaissance by Renaissance Trespass by Genesis Meddle by Pink Floyd Visions Of The Emerald Beyond by Mahavishnu Orchestra And if you already haven't heard them in your foray into Rush, Yes & King Crimson: A Farewell to Kings by Rush Red by King Crimson Fragile by Yes And to comment on the SW/Porcupine Tree trend, am I the only one who isn't impressed by Grace For Drowning? I got the 3-disc deluxe edition that came in that hardcover book. I thought Gavin would have done a much better job on drums. I thought the first disc was really good, but the third disc should have been scrapped altogether. Most of the second disc was mediocre, nothing special. I thought Insurgentes was much better. GfD just seemed to ramble, like he'd jammed to song ideas, then took those demos and produced the poo poo out of them, and released it as an album. I love PT though. FOABP was my introduction to them, and I went back and bought their back catalog chronologically. But being my first PT experience, FOABP is still my favorite of theirs. edit: spelling edit 2: sentence clarity Prog Doctor fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 2, 2012 |
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Prog Doctor posted:And to comment on the SW/Porcupine Tree trend, I am the only one who isn't impressed by Grace For Drowning? I got the 3-disc deluxe edition that came in that hardcover book. I thought Gavin would have done a much better job on drums, and apart from the first disc I thought the third disc should have been scrapped. Most of the second disc was mediocre, nothing special. I thought Insurgentes was much better. GfD just seemed to ramble, like he'd jammed to song ideas, then took those demos and produced the poo poo out of them, and released it as an album. I felt pretty much the exact opposite re: Insurgentes and Grace for Drowning.
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Jan 31, 2012 14:36
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an_mutt posted:Hey. Hey. Duke is a pretty great album, and I won't hear otherwise. It has the Duke's Suite, after all, and a nice smattering of catchy tracks throughout. Duke is indeed a good album, and I like plenty of Genesis's later stuff but I don't really think any of it belongs in a list of prog rock essentials.
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Earwicker posted:Duke is indeed a good album, and I like plenty of Genesis's later stuff but I don't really think any of it belongs in a list of prog rock essentials.
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Prog Doctor posted:And to comment on the SW/Porcupine Tree trend, I am the only one who isn't impressed by Grace For Drowning? I got the 3-disc deluxe edition that came in that hardcover book. I thought Gavin would have done a much better job on drums. I thought the first disc was really good, but the third disc should have been scrapped altogether. Most of the second disc was mediocre, nothing special. I thought Insurgentes was much better. GfD just seemed to ramble, like he'd jammed to song ideas, then took those demos and produced the poo poo out of them, and released it as an album. Prog Doctor posted:I love PT though. FOABP was my introduction to them, and I went back and bought their back catalog chronologically. But being my first PT experience, FOABP is still my favorite of theirs. 
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Who's gone to see Zappa Plays Zappa this tour? Saw them last year, not sure if I'll go again this round.
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burritonegro posted:Who's gone to see Zappa Plays Zappa this tour? Saw them last year, not sure if I'll go again this round.
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I'm on the fence about paying to go see them this year, as it sounds like roughly the same set. Granted, you probably still appreciate a million things you didn't get before. Last year at the House of Blues they played all of Apostrophe, but had to wait about 15 minutes before starting because the house projector was acting fidgety and the HOB had to make a call in to the video guy who was off that night or something. The band was visibly not pleased.
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burritonegro posted:I'm on the fence about paying to go see them this year, as it sounds like roughly the same set. Granted, you probably still appreciate a million things you didn't get before. That, and the setlist does vary. The band knows a huge repertoire of songs, and change up a handful of songs from night to night. And very much like when Frank was alive (and touring), no song sounds the same twice - making it much more likely that, as you said, you'll appreciate a million more things than before.
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Prog Doctor posted:And to comment on the SW/Porcupine Tree trend, am I the only one who isn't impressed by Grace For Drowning? I got the 3-disc deluxe edition that came in that hardcover book. I thought Gavin would have done a much better job on drums. I thought the first disc was really good, but the third disc should have been scrapped altogether. Most of the second disc was mediocre, nothing special. I thought Insurgentes was much better. GfD just seemed to ramble, like he'd jammed to song ideas, then took those demos and produced the poo poo out of them, and released it as an album. I liked the second disc about as well as the first, even if Raider II drags on a bit. Track One is up there with my favourites on the album, Index is classic Wilson and Dust is a pretty great outro. Also, as someone who loves the poo poo out of Gavin's drumming, I was really glad that he wasn't on this album. His style is very distinctive, to the point where hearing him play alongside Steven makes anything immediately resemble Porcupine Tree, at least to my ears. This is a bit of a problem I had with Insurgentes, actually - the drumming was great, but it tethered the album too closely to the sound PT had established, and was a bit less unique for it. Having a different drummer on GfD helped to separate it from that, and make it a bit more special. Doesn't hurt that Pat Mastelotto knows his way around a prog groove (and whoever the other guy credited for drums is). Anyway, if I want to have a drumgasm to something with Gavin in, I just listen to his amazing side project Gavin Harrison & 05Ric. Aw yeah.
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Henry Fungletrumpet posted:Anyway, if I want to have a drumgasm to something with Gavin in, I just listen to his amazing side project Gavin Harrison & 05Ric. Aw yeah. Dunno if you've seen this, but the first 500 copies of the new album will be signed. I've been meaning to check this out for a while and haven't gotten around to it.
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Oh dang, I didn't even know there was a new album. Cheers!
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Henry Fungletrumpet posted:Oh dang, I didn't even know there was a new album. Cheers! 
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Henry Fungletrumpet posted:I liked the second disc about as well as the first, even if Raider II drags on a bit. Track One is up there with my favourites on the album, Index is classic Wilson and Dust is a pretty great outro. Also, as someone who loves the poo poo out of Gavin's drumming, I was really glad that he wasn't on this album. His style is very distinctive, to the point where hearing him play alongside Steven makes anything immediately resemble Porcupine Tree, at least to my ears. This is a bit of a problem I had with Insurgentes, actually - the drumming was great, but it tethered the album too closely to the sound PT had established, and was a bit less unique for it. Having a different drummer on GfD helped to separate it from that, and make it a bit more special. Doesn't hurt that Pat Mastelotto knows his way around a prog groove (and whoever the other guy credited for drums is). Yeah, I'm familiar with that project. And I can see where you're coming from about having someone other than Gavin do drums. I just this guy (whose name I also can't remember at the moment - guess that shows how much of an impression he made on me) was a very 'blah' choice. Before GfD was released, there was all this hype about Marco Minnimann being the drummer on the album. I was very disappointed that this wasn't the case. I thought he would have done a much better job on drums - played more interesting things (I'm a drummer, which may explain my fixation with the drum parts). I think that must be my main issue with GfD: it didn't live up to my expectations. From all the hype I was hearing about it I was expecting lots of complex, heavy riffs (in the King Crimson or Gentle Giant fashion), and what I got was a lot of piano-heavy slower songs, or slower, rambling sections on the album which I don't care for and I feel should have been cut down. I love Pat Mastelotto. His drumming was really good in "No Part Of Me". I've seen him live a couple times - Once in King Crimson, and once with Stick Men playing alongside the Adrian Belew Power Trio. And I don't know whether it's the particular song repertoire or the lack of Robert Fripp, but his playing in Stick Men just doesn't live up to the creative genius of The Power To Believe album.
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Yeah, speaking as an also drummer, it's definitely not one of those albums that I listen to for the drumming. The grooves are right in the pocket for the most part and don't really stand out on their own, which I think is fine. Mostly I just like it for the top notch writing and production.
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Steven Wilson should work with Henry Ranta on his next solo album, he's playing mostly prog nowadays. He's one of the most underrated rock drummers ever and I'm really disappointed that he never got more attention.
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On this thread's recommendation I downloaded Unfold the Future and may I say this unashamed Yes worship loving owns.
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Weird that I would happen upon this thread today. I just bought Red, In the Court of the Crimson King, Larks' Tongues in Aspic, In The Wake of Poseidon, and Island on vinyl. Put me around $50 too. Pretty good deal I'd say.
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Nosferatu Man posted:Weird that I would happen upon this thread today. I just bought Red, In the Court of the Crimson King, Larks' Tongues in Aspic, In The Wake of Poseidon, and Island on vinyl. Put me around $50 too. Pretty good deal I'd say. Sweet deal on the essential albums!
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Man, that's a crazy good price. I paid $38 just for In the Court of the Crimson King on CD 
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Henry Fungletrumpet posted:Yeah, speaking as an also drummer, it's definitely not one of those albums that I listen to for the drumming. The grooves are right in the pocket for the most part and don't really stand out on their own, which I think is fine. Mostly I just like it for the top notch writing and production. I don't think his songwriting is that great on GfD, but the production is amazing as always. I was having a discussion about the merits of Dillenger Escape Plan with a friend while watching the Prog Metal episode of Metal Evolution last night. Any ideas for the best introduction to their discography? I'm not a fan of growly vocals. Do they have an album with minimal growling?
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DEP's second album, Miss Machine, is very melodic and has lots of actual singing. Their latest two, Option Paralysis and Ire Works, have a fair bit of crooning as well. If you hate growling then definitely avoid their debut, Calculating Infinity. Pretty much insane tech metalcore with screaming 100% of the time. If you like Mike Patton, check out Irony Is A Dead Scene, the DEP/Patton collaboration EP. Though, he doesn't do a whole lot of "singing" in the traditional sense on that release.
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can we get some discussion on Peter Hammill/Van der Graaf Generator? The more I listen to this stuff the more I feel like they really were the best out of the whole movement, so thoughtful, evil, and sincere that even the anti-prog brigade had to show some respect. sadly I only have a handful of albums (everything up to Godbluff and the first 4 PHs) and am very curious as to what his solo albums wound up sounding like in the 80's and beyond. Obviously his albums when VdGG were "on break" are the most famous but are the rest worth looking into?
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I'd like to dig more into Hamm/Van, I've really only heard Pawn Hearts and a few scattered other bits. There was a live-in-studio version of Theme One that I had on a CD that I blasted in the car I delivered pizza in back in college. I was all over that thing.
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Looks like Yes replaced their now former Yes-cover band singer with a new Yes-cover band singer:quote:YES Recruit New Singer At this point, they should just give up. It's beyond embarrassing.
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WaffleStomp posted:Looks like Yes replaced their now former Yes-cover band singer with a new Yes-cover band singer: (Hopefully this is not permanent.)
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Feb 7, 2012 21:47
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The new OSI album is up for preorder (pretty cheap too)
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Neurosis posted:On this thread's recommendation I downloaded Unfold the Future and may I say this unashamed Yes worship loving owns. You should check out more of The Flowerkings. The albums Paradox Hotel and Adam and Eve are two of my personal favorites. edit: In fact I named my cat Roine. Huge Lady Pleaser fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 11, 2012 |
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Going to the Belew/Levin/Mastelotto band camp again this summer - for those who like Crim, I had an amazing time last summer. http://www.threeofaperfectpair.com/ Standing on the front porch doing vodka shots with Adrian at 3am after the final concert talking with a half-dozen of us about playing with Zappa and Bowie... was fun.
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Yeah I have read about that camp before and it looks amazing and I am crazy jealous and wish I was a brilliant guitarist to go train with Adrian. I wish there was some kind of prog rock keyboardist camp run by Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman.
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So it seems that in a prog masterstroke, Arjen Lucassen (the man behind Ayreon, Star One, Guilt Machine et al) has managed to recruit Rutger Hauer to narrate his upcoming solo album. There is a sample at the end of this. His last couple of albums, Guilt Machine's On This Perfect Day and Star One's Victims of the Modern Age have been corkers, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does on this one.
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