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E2M2 posted:Is it me or does Skip Bayless suck? When he and Stephen A. Smith are on ESPN its almost unwatchable for me. Indeed, he is the vanguard of the exciting new trend of sucking intentionally, just to cause bullshit controversy.
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I still contend that Bayless is pretty funny when you realize it's intentional trolling. I don't know who in SAS goes to loving First Take for serious, well thought-out sports discussion, so I think it's hilarious that his schtick works up so many sports-radio listeners. And honestly if Joe Pos was on First Take the entire reaction of the viewing audience would be, "Well, yes, that makes sense." No furor, no reader reaction, no website comments - this discussion on this Internet message board doesn't even happen.
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Jan 15, 2012 08:45
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I don't watch the news to be part of a furor, I watch it to learn things. In theory, even to hear people offer intelligent commentary. Since he's not even honest about his opinions, what value could listening to him possibly hold?
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Jan 15, 2012 09:17
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Mornacale posted:I don't watch the news to be part of a furor, I watch it to learn things. In theory, even to hear people offer intelligent commentary. Since he's not even honest about his opinions, what value could listening to him possibly hold? I've disliked Bayless for years, but watching him be accidentally right about Tebow was a lot of fun. Once you accept that ESPN is never going to be decent at its job but still thrive financially, it's easier to just have fun with it.
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Jan 15, 2012 09:23
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BackInTheUSSR posted:I still contend that Bayless is pretty funny when you realize it's intentional trolling. I don't know who in SAS goes to loving First Take for serious, well thought-out sports discussion, so I think it's hilarious that his schtick works up so many sports-radio listeners. yeah but then something like this happens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl26EU2zkH0
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Jan 15, 2012 12:32
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"For that matter, why isn't there a WHITE history month?" -Skip Bayless
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Jan 15, 2012 21:50
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Groucho Marxist posted:yeah but then something like this happens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl26EU2zkH0 "i take a little pride that he came from a white mother"
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Jan 15, 2012 22:27
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Stop writing about Skip Bayless and read this piece from Outside Magazine on the Livestrong Foundation and its charitable activities. This is some actual, legitimate reporting.
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Jan 15, 2012 22:33
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Stop writing about Skip Bayless and read this piece from Outside Magazine on the Livestrong Foundation and its charitable activities. This is some actual, legitimate reporting. Great read, thanks for the link.
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Jan 15, 2012 22:54
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Stop writing about Skip Bayless and read this piece from Outside Magazine on the Livestrong Foundation and its charitable activities. This is some actual, legitimate reporting. This was really interesting, thank you for posting it. On top of the more overt shadiness, it raises a really interesting question about whether a foundation like livestrong should spend on research or on other "programs".
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Jan 16, 2012 02:49
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/boldin-plants-allen-helmet-turf-avoids-flag-214155766.html Regarding a Anquan Boldin's cheap shot today: Idiot posted:Dan Dierdorf expressed surprise that the officials didn't throw a flag on either the holds or the end game, but I'm pleased they didn't. The play was dirty, a little ugly and wouldn't be tolerated on a game-to-game basis in the regular season. But if a player commits an infraction -- gently caress, never mind. Jesus Christ.
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Jan 16, 2012 04:53
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Lazy like a Fox posted:This was really interesting, thank you for posting it. On top of the more overt shadiness, it raises a really interesting question about whether a foundation like livestrong should spend on research or on other "programs". Yeah, it makes you wonder at the end of the day if Livestrong is really just another athlete charity in many ways (though, obviously, it gives out more money for those "programs" than a lot of charities do anyway). Certainly it has all kinds of public relations might behind it.
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Jan 16, 2012 05:02
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Stop writing about Skip Bayless and read this piece from Outside Magazine on the Livestrong Foundation and its charitable activities. This is some actual, legitimate reporting. That is a great (and horrible) article. Here is a horrible (and horrible) article Rany J. just linked to on the twitter: http://www.thenewsherald.com/articles/2012/01/15/sports/doc4f139f14424fe118040314.txt?viewmode=fullstory . Jack Morris' inflated ERA from the steroid era should NOT keep him out of the Hall of Fame! Also, Peter Gammons is voting for Jeff Bagwell, who is from Boston, so OBVIOUSLY, he's biased, but I'm going to stump for Jack Morris, pay no mind regarding where my newspaper is based.
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Jan 16, 2012 19:40
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Deathlove posted:Here is a horrible (and horrible) article Rany J. just linked to on the twitter: Two horribles don't do this justice.
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Jan 16, 2012 20:22
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AlleyViper posted:Two horribles don't do this justice. horrible (horrible) posted:It’s true, the 3.90 ERA would be the highest of any pitcher enshrined, but Morris also pitched the second half of his career at the height of the steroids era. There is no shred of evidence he used performance enhancing drugs (PED), nor is he remotely suspected of doing so. These sure are words that form sentences. I'm not entirely sure what they mean, but someone wrote them and put them on the internet and got paid to do it.
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Jan 16, 2012 21:41
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Badfinger posted:These sure are words that form sentences. I'm not entirely sure what they mean, but someone wrote them and put them on the internet and got paid to do it. Conversely there is no proof that he didn't take steroids either so I don't know why sports writers use that gambit.
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Jan 16, 2012 22:50
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Moose Bigelow posted:Conversely there is no proof that he didn't take steroids either so I don't know why sports writers use that gambit. The part about that particular paragraph you should actually be annoyed at is that Morris pitched about 140 lovely innings in 1994 then retired. No one outside of writers trying to contrive a narrative for Jack Morris thinks of a career ending in 1994 as being in the "steroid era" at all, much less half his loving career.
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Jan 16, 2012 23:04
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Moose Bigelow posted:Conversely there is no proof that he didn't take steroids either so I don't know why sports writers use that gambit. You should know by now that "no proof either way" will be used by writers to justify whatever they want.
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Jan 16, 2012 23:04
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Our favorite old baseball writer reveals why he didn't vote for as many names on the Hall of Fame ballot every year as he could have:MURRAY loving CHASS posted:When I voted for the first time, I submitted a full ballot, all 10 lines filled with names. By the time I voted a year later, I had reconsidered what I had done. In voting for 10 players, I was saying in essence I wanted to see 10 players inducted into the Hall at the same time.
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Jan 17, 2012 03:40
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Crazy Ted posted:Our favorite old baseball writer reveals why he didn't vote for as many names on the Hall of Fame ballot every year as he could have: "WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR SO MANY GUYS THAT MIGHT MEAN THE INDUCTION CEREMONY GOES ON TOO LONG AND I MIGHT MISS MATLOCK"
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Jan 17, 2012 03:50
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Like anyone cares what that dumb old blogger has to say.
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Jan 17, 2012 03:51
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Mornacale posted:You should know by now that "no proof either way" will be used by writers to justify whatever they want. corollary : You don't need proof if you "know what you saw"
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Jan 17, 2012 04:18
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Badfinger posted:The part about that particular paragraph you should actually be annoyed at is that Morris pitched about 140 lovely innings in 1994 then retired. No one outside of writers trying to contrive a narrative for Jack Morris thinks of a career ending in 1994 as being in the "steroid era" at all, much less half his loving career. The best I can figure is that he's pinning the start of the steroid era in '87 with the Bash Brothers.
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Jan 17, 2012 04:24
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Deathlove posted:The best I can figure is that he's pinning the start of the steroid era in '87 with the Bash Brothers. That's dumb; he's dumb.
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Jan 17, 2012 05:06
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MorningView posted:Like anyone cares what that dumb old blogger has to say.
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Jan 17, 2012 05:22
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CraigK posted:"WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR SO MANY GUYS THAT MIGHT MEAN THE INDUCTION CEREMONY GOES ON TOO LONG AND I MIGHT MISS MATLOCK" DOGGONIT MY VCR TAPE RAN OUT AGAIN
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Jan 17, 2012 06:01
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Crazy Ted posted:Because knowing the BBWAA about half of them share his opinions on the Hall of Fame. That was mostly an excuse to call him a blogger, which he hates even though he now writes a blog.
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Jan 17, 2012 06:06
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This is a site for baseball columns, not for baseball blogs. The proprietor of the site is not a fan of blogs. He made that abundantly clear on a radio show with Charley Steiner when Steiner asked him what he thought of blogs and he replied, “I hate blogs.” He later heartily applauded Buzz Bissinger when the best-selling author denounced bloggers on a Bob Costas HBO show. Bloggers, however, are welcome to visit this site; so are stats freaks, fantasy leaguers and Red Sox fans. How else will they know what is being said about them by a columnist they love to hate? Otherwise, this site will most likely appeal primarily to older fans whose interest in good old baseball is largely ignored in this day of young bloggers who know it all, and new- fangled statistics (VORP, for one excuse-me example), which are drowning the game in numbers and making people forget that human beings, not numbers, play the games.
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Jan 17, 2012 06:32
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The best was when Chass mistakenly accused Tom Verducci for not voting Marvin Miller for the HoF, and Posnasnki and Verducci both wrote articles in response where they repeatedly referred to him as "the blogger"
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Jan 17, 2012 06:49
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Crazy Ted posted:Our favorite old baseball writer reveals why he didn't vote for as many names on the Hall of Fame ballot every year as he could have: I can't help but read this with your avatar reading the Murray Chass part out loud in my head
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Jan 17, 2012 07:14
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Stop writing about Skip Bayless and read this piece from Outside Magazine on the Livestrong Foundation and its charitable activities. This is some actual, legitimate reporting. Interesting article and I glad I read it and I understand that the author cannot answer some of the questions that the article poses, but it still felt like a whole bunch of nothing for the most part. Maybe it's because I knew a decent amount about the entire Livestrong brand and all that stuff but yeah. Although it does bug me when people say "well this guy was cheating so why should we take his word?!" in regards to someone like Landis. Canseco is the ultimate example. When his book Juiced came out everyone was decrying him and saying it was a pure money grab and he was a liar. A couple years later he is comically the only one telling the whole drat truth...well, for the most part.
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Jan 17, 2012 11:09
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leokitty posted:This is a site for baseball columns, not for baseball blogs. The proprietor of the site is not a fan of blogs. He made that abundantly clear on a radio show with Charley Steiner when Steiner asked him what he thought of blogs and he replied, “I hate blogs.” He later heartily applauded Buzz Bissinger when the best-selling author denounced bloggers on a Bob Costas HBO show. "Because trying to correlate performance with cold, hard mathematics...well that's just stupid. Now, here's my list of top ten players all time ranked by heart and grit!"
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Jan 17, 2012 15:32
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haljordan posted:"Because trying to correlate performance with cold, hard mathematics...well that's just stupid. Now, here's my list of top ten players all time ranked by heart and grit!" This is what
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Jan 17, 2012 21:23
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Mornacale posted:This is what I'm not saying Sabermetrics is the Alpha & Omega in judging sports performances, but it'd be nice if someone could write a criticism that shows they actually know what any of those stats measure. Every time I hear a radio DJ or read a sportswriter's rant, they don't even bother. They just make dumb, punny jokes about VORP and poo poo.
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Jan 17, 2012 21:51
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Mornacale posted:This is what A friend recently told me Cam Newton didn't deserve rookie of the year because he didn't "lead enough fourth quarter drives." Weirdly enough, his pick wasn't Tebow either.
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Jan 17, 2012 21:56
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haljordan posted:I'm not saying Sabermetrics is the Alpha & Omega in judging sports performances, but it'd be nice if someone could write a criticism that shows they actually know what any of those stats measure. Every time I hear a radio DJ or read a sportswriter's rant, they don't even bother. They just make dumb, punny jokes about VORP and poo poo. Holy poo poo, this. It's common to hear something like, "VORP, what is that, something from Star Trek, NEERRRRRRRDS, pocket protectors, mom's basement...." Then in the next segment, "Joe Blow should get the Cy Young because [lists statistics]." They aren't against statistics, they are against statistics that they are too lazy to learn about. They won't criticize them substantively because they aren't capable. One other thing. You know who I've seen criticize Sabermetrics the most? Guys who are into Sabermetrics. I've repeatedly seen them lay out why this stat isn't the final word, or why that stat doesn't paint the whole picture.
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Jan 17, 2012 22:27
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morestuff posted:A friend recently told me Cam Newton didn't deserve rookie of the year because he didn't "lead enough fourth quarter drives." Weirdly enough, his pick wasn't Tebow either. Was his choice Andy Dalton? He's the darling of the JWG school of thought among rookies since this was Tebow's second year.
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Jan 17, 2012 22:41
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Was his choice Andy Dalton? He's the darling of the JWG school of thought among rookies since this was Tebow's second year. Yeah, it was Dalton. I keep forgetting Tebow's a sophomore.
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Jan 17, 2012 22:45
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Tebow played a lot last year, it's weird that everyone on earth seems to think he's a rookie.
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MorningView posted:Tebow played a lot last year, it's weird that everyone on earth seems to think he's a rookie. I basically ignored the NFL last year while the Panthers were cratering.
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