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shrughes posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7PMuSJXQI Because the music's terrible.
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Former Human posted:Yeah man if you don't do what we tell you you're wasting your money and you're not allowed to post here anymore Yes, the guy with the CRT monitor is really loving objective  .This isn't the "2002 Monitor Megathread." If somebody is determined to buy a 10 year old CRT, there's not much else to say other than it's a bad idea and move on.
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Ghostpilot posted:Does anyone have an opinion on the Asus VH228H? There's shockingly little information on it and while a friend (who's admittedly not very tech-savvy) out of state has one and loves it, I was hoping I might be able to find a more informed opinion. Have I come at a bad time? 
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Jan 15, 2012 19:20
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TN monitors (like that ASUS) are pretty much commodity parts and there are a ton of models with very little to differentiate them. Basically, the only differences are the size, how many input ports it has, and whether you like the way it looks. Most of the people in this thread are interested in IPS monitors (which are more expensive but have considerably better color and viewing angles) so we don't have much advice about the cheap stuff.
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Ghostpilot posted:Does anyone have an opinion on the Asus VH228H? There's shockingly little information on it and while a friend (who's admittedly not very tech-savvy) out of state has one and loves it, I was hoping I might be able to find a more informed opinion. I have the VH226H, a previous model, so what I have to say might not be applicable since this one has an LED backlight and mine doesn't. It's fine for gaming and browsing, and has a quick refresh rate with no lag. It was setup to be brighter than the sun at default, so make sure you tweak the brightness downwards till it's comfortable for you. I don't do graphics work on it so I can't speak to any color problems it may have. Viewing angles aren't great but I'm the only one looking at it in my office. I'm happy with it considering the price.
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Jan 15, 2012 23:50
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Crackbone posted:Yes, the guy with the CRT monitor is really loving objective Believe it or not, not everyone is looking for the same features in a display. The FW900 has a lot of features that LCDs in 2012 still don't. If someone wants perfect blacks, various resolutions, and high refresh/response time, there's no comparison. For pokecapn to say "just waste your money and never post in this thread again since you don't plan on listening to any of the advice in it" is rude and not helpful. quote:This isn't the "2002 Monitor Megathread." If somebody is determined to buy a 10 year old CRT, there's not much else to say other than it's a bad idea and move on. Movax's OP mentions the FW900 multiple times for a reason. Have you ever read it?
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Jan 16, 2012 01:09
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I have a toshiba DLP tv - 62HM196, that I am using as a monitor. The only options I have on the tv, as far as aspect or zoom is Natural and Theater, with Full being greyed out. When I try native resolution(1920 x 1080) it overscans outside the display range. The only resolution I can seem to run properly is 1768 x 992. Nvidia resizing is no help. Does anyone have some advice on this matter? I haven't been able to find anything so far.
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Jan 16, 2012 01:30
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shrughes posted:> it's 10 years old, I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this since you aren't actually looking for advice, only looking to start a fight and/or get patted on the back by other CRT people. But. Your arguments are hosed up and stupid, much like your face. > weighs 100lbs That's still O(1) work, just a different constant factor. Those words up there? The ones that you typed? They don't make a lick of loving sense. What the gently caress. > takes 170 watts to run, My laptop has a 170 watt power adapter. How much power your laptop uses is irrelevant. 170W is going to cost significantly more than a comparable LCD (esp. a LED-backlit type) > costs more used than a new 2412 I already have a 2410 so I could just sell it and now the price is less! Selling your 2410 doesn't lower the price of a FW900, it just gives you more money (which you could have put toward anything...) It doesn't matter though. Like I said you don't want to be convinced and so you won't be.
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Kazvall posted:I have a toshiba DLP tv - 62HM196, that I am using as a monitor. If there is no option to disable overscan in the regular TV menu try using the service menu: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=883214 If there's no option there to disable overscan you just have to set the resolution lower like you already have, pretty much nothing you can do.
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Thanks to this thread and its excellent OP, I now have on my desk: DELL 23'' LED U2312HM Full HD / IPS A lovely little piece of monitor and a huge step up from my previous one. It was a 19" LCD which was state of the art when it came out in 2001(?), but its resolution was 1280x1024, it had serious motion blur problems when gaming, and the white balance was way out of whack. (Do old CFFLs drift out of spec or something? I couldn't adjust colors to look OK.) Oh, and also the power brick had given out, that's why I found it in the trash room of my university, so it's been running of an old PC PSU since 2003. Anyway, Skyrim looks marvelous in full HD and apparently the textures include the veins and pores of people's skin. Never noticed until now. For the price I paid, if this thing lasts half as long as my old one, I'll be happy. E:sp
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Anyway, Skyrim looks marvelous in full HD and apparently the textures include the veins and pores of people's skin. Never noticed until now. Yeah, but they're still blocky, and not really perfect. Head over to Skyrim Nexus if you have a good quality card and CPU (if you throw on every maximum quality texture pack you could find, I'd recommend more than a gig of VRAM). Tricking out your Skyrim. Some of the mods are very worthwhile. SkyUI makes the inventory so much nicer.. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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Former Human posted:Believe it or not, not everyone is looking for the same features in a display. The FW900 has a lot of features that LCDs in 2012 still don't. If someone wants perfect blacks, various resolutions, and high refresh/response time, there's no comparison. Yes you're right, and you know who really needs those features? Probably not either of you, and certainly not for more than what a good IPS LCD costs right now. Pretty much everybody in the world has moved on to LCDs and been happy enough, because the benefits outweigh drawbacks. And you're the one that didn't read the OP. You must have done a word count check on FW900 and though "look how much he mentioned it"  . Did you notice every mention of the FW900 was about how Movax quit using it because of all the bullshit CRTs entail?Look, to close this out, the bottom line is it's a bad idea to buy a 100-lb, 10 year old, costs-a-fuckton CRT monitor, the OP covers why pretty comprehensively. If you're determined to do so there's nothing else to discuss. Crackbone fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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Former Human posted:Believe it or not, not everyone is looking for the same features in a display. The FW900 has a lot of features that LCDs in 2012 still don't. If someone wants perfect blacks, various resolutions, and high refresh/response time, there's no comparison. Various resolutions, no, but native interlacing, and the rest, plasma does. Irrelevant to this in a way since I don't think they're made smaller than 42", but hey HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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Dogen posted:When are we going to get OLED monitors, they jumped right up to 55" TVs for some reason Probably never because OLED suffers from burn-in. 
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Jan 16, 2012 14:28
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Basically, the market has decided TFT-LCD is good enough, and is concentrating on that. Where did our exotic types go, such as this beast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display
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Crackbone posted:Yes you're right, and you know who really needs those features? Probably not either of you That's pretty condescending. Good thing we have Crackbone from the internet to tell people what they "need." I technically don't need a car but I own one of those too. quote:Did you notice every mention of the FW900 was about how Movax quit using it because of all the bullshit CRTs entail? Which was his personal decision. Other people may not take issue with the bullshit as you call it. It doesn't invalidate the features that others may want. It's amazing how belligerent a few people in this thread have gotten over someone else's choice in monitor. If someone is in the market for a display with specific features and they have the money then who the hell cares? Overall this thread has been really helpful but a few people could really lighten up.
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The FW900 does own, but I did hit the personal moment of clarity where I sat down and realized that I didn't want to keep investing time in keeping them running / tweaked properly. They do have superior qualities to LCDs, but the benefit of having razor sharp, uniform text and not having a desk that bends under the weight of a thousand suns were too nice to pass up. The only reason I ever got the FW900(s) was because a few days after reading about how awesome they are, I scooped up 3 of them off Craigslist from various sellers for ~$40 per monitor. I would have never paid over $150 or so for each of them, but some people may want to pay highly for them, which is fine, more power to them I suppose. Now lets all be friends or agree to disagree or whatnot, for we are men (and possibly women). HalloKitty posted:Basically, the market has decided TFT-LCD is good enough, and is concentrating on that. Hippie Hedgehog posted:Thanks to this thread and its excellent OP, I now have on my desk:  U2311 bro, welcome to the club, glad to hear you are enjoying ~~Skyrim~~ on that.
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Former Human posted:Okay, let's chill. Most of the advice-giving regulars here are feeling insulted because a guy who already made up his mind came in here with a challenge to dissuade him. That's generally a disrespectful tone to take, especially with people who spend their free time trying to help others. Then when the guy was given exactly what he asked for - attempts to dissuade him - he gave snotty replies. Rather than acknowledge the downsides and say "I still like it," he gave responses that could easily be read as dismissing these concerns for improper reasons and, by extension, dismissing the effort I and others put in to try to give a reasonable response. His responses were not about his personal preference and choices; they were about challenging the plebes to prove His Highness incorrect. So that's annoying. And you're coming off as slightly elitist yourself in the same way. On the flip side, the regulars in here do come off as short and "We know best" at times, and that isn't the best thing either. But generally we're not doing it to be rude intentionally, we're doing it because there's only so much time in the day. But then when someone someone simultaneously demanding advice and being disrespectful in an information megathread, you better believe that poo poo tweaks our gizzards, however unfairly we may have perceived the post. Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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Former Human posted:Which was his personal decision. Other people may not take issue with the bullshit as you call it. It doesn't invalidate the features that others may want. The problem is that he came into the thread under the pretense that he needed to be convinced away from getting the FW900, while in reality he already made the mental decision to buy it. You can tell because the responses to the negative points about the monitor start off idiotic and stay that way. Although maybe I missed the memo and everyone does their hardcore 120Hz noscope fragging on a laptop these days.
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The Fecal Jesus posted:If there is no option to disable overscan in the regular TV menu try using the service menu: Thanks for this. Now I need to figure out what the cryptic variables in the service menu mean. Atleast I was able to center the screen on my resolution with HPOS and VPOS. Know where I could find the values? The service manual isn't helping at all.
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Dogen posted:When are we going to get OLED monitors, they jumped right up to 55" TVs for some reason Probably because the rich guys and AVSForum nutbars who will pay the initial ridiculous prices for larger OLED displays generally aren't interested in anything under 50".
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Magic Underwear posted:That's still O(1) work, just a different constant factor.[/b] It's the running time of an algorithm. It's not nonsense, its just 
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David Tennant posted:It's the running time of an algorithm. It's not nonsense, its just Oh I didn't realize that the weight of a monitor was in any way comparable to an algorithm. Probably because it isn't. At all.
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Factory Factory posted:Most of the advice-giving regulars here are feeling insulted because a guy who already made up his mind came in here with a challenge to dissuade him. Maybe I'm just used to CoC where more people know me, but I thought my post was obviously tongue-in-cheek.
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Movax thank you for your job on the OP and to everyone else who contributed it. I would have never gotten a U2311h or U2312HM for that matter without it. And the recommendation for the 120hz TN panel, that ASUS one, has beautiful black levels and is just a great monitor all around. I actually like glossy panels too.
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I am trying to get the eyefinity working on my 7970. My 3 monitors are connected as follows 7970>HDMI>Monitor 7970>miniDisplay to DVI adaptor>Monitor 7970>DVI to VGA adaptor>Monitor All three monitors are detected but when I group them together via eyefinity i get 3 duplicated screen instead of one large screen Is it my adaptors that are causing it? I only used the ones supplied with the 7970
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CES is over. Any word on new goodies for this year? Chances are ill just hang on to my U2311H, but if something awesome came out like a ultra-retina-IPS display, I might want to splerge again this year.
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evensevenone posted:It's clearly O(n) anyway. I used to have an FW900 at an old job, but as much as I like it, I'll take my U2711 at home that I can put into a box that doesn't double as a child's coffin. It's not like developers need the deepest blacks or something. I had some odd issues here and there with moire patterns and a pink pattern that started creeping in after a surge could have nuked the tubes, so it's not like FW900s are impervious to damage compared to TFTs either. Sharp text that works with wtf you use in your software for 12+ hours / day is what matters in the end.
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Dogen posted:When are we going to get OLED monitors, they jumped right up to 55" TVs for some reason They already exist, they're just expensive enough that they aren't targeted for consumers, so you've never heard of them.
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Avalanche posted:CES is over. Any word on new goodies for this year? Yeah I posted basically this in the laptop thread - tiny 4" displays in phones is one thing, but 10" 1920x1200 IPS is already in the ultraportable laptop territory. If we could get that kind of DPI in desktop monitors, I wouldn't even be too upset over the lack of OLED monitors.
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The 10" screens with that kind of DPI are only just now coming into the price range where they are reasonable for consumer products. And aside from the price, there are a few practical problems, with the poor DPI scaling of desktop OSes and software, graphics cards capping out at 2560x1600, and only very recently (past 6 months) has there been any hardware that can support DisplayPort 1.2, which is actually fast enough to support that high of a resolution.
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Oh god. I just submitted an order for a U2412M to compliment my 22" LG TN display. What have you all made me do?
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19 o'clock posted:Oh god. I just submitted an order for a U2412M to compliment my 22" LG TN display. What have you all made me do? We've made you hate your TN screen. Well, soon.
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19 o'clock posted:Oh god. I just submitted an order for a U2412M to compliment my 22" LG TN display. What have you all made me do? Wait until you decide you need a 30" display to live. 
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Jan posted:Wait until you decide you need a 30" display to live. I was on the fence about it...my buddy has the Ultra Sharp 30" on his desk and it's glorious.
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Jan posted:Wait until you decide you need a 30" display to live. Yeah that's me. I got a 2410 after frequenting this thread some time ago, and well, it's not enough. It's sounding like I need a 30" in my life. I have a quick question though, and I'm sure it's dumb/common but I didn't pick up the answer after reading the OP. I know that 30" displays require a dual link DVI. But does that mean it occupies two "slots" or whatever? Currently I use two displays, and since I work from home I need that second display for watching all kinds of random poo poo in the day to make my coding more enjoyable. Does a Dual link DVI mean I can't use a second monitor or what?
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Taima posted:I have a quick question though, and I'm sure it's dumb/common but I didn't pick up the answer after reading the OP. I know that 30" displays require a dual link DVI. But does that mean it occupies two "slots" or whatever? It just means more pins on the connector and cable. You could also just use a single DisplayPort connector.
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Sadly, I think my old 22" Samsung TN is on its way out. It takes awhile for it to return from sleep with really dim...lackluster colors, then gets bright over 15-20 seconds. Compare that to my Dell U2311H, which is instantly on and bright. Sometimes my TN even returns from sleep with a blank white screen that only a power cycle fixes. Sadly, no $$ for a replacement now, so here's to my eventual monitor fire. 
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