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Seriously. Free performance on the table. The (nice) boards will even do all the heavy lifting for you.
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I know the timeline for IB-E is probably a year out, but is there any news at all if IB-E is/is-not going to be socket compatible with SB-E?
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incoherent posted:Seriously. Free performance on the table. The (nice) boards will even do all the heavy lifting for you. Wait, there was heavy lifting involved? Maybe if you want to go for 4.5+
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Chuu posted:I know the timeline for IB-E is probably a year out, but is there any news at all if IB-E is/is-not going to be socket compatible with SB-E? Scuttlebutt from the Googles says it will be.
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Jan 16, 2012 13:48
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HalloKitty posted:Wait, there was heavy lifting involved? He was just saying the better boards (I just got an Asus P68Z68-V) literally do push button overclocking on Sandy Bridge. I got the Cooler Master Hyper 212 and clicked two things in the BIOS and have been running stable at 4.4GHz for about 3 weeks now. It was the easiest overclocking experience I've ever had.
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mayodreams posted:He was just saying the better boards (I just got an Asus P68Z68-V) literally do push button overclocking on Sandy Bridge. I got the Cooler Master Hyper 212 and clicked two things in the BIOS and have been running stable at 4.4GHz for about 3 weeks now. It was the easiest overclocking experience I've ever had. I have the same board (P8Z68-V Pro). Maybe we're just spoilt. I was basically just trying to highlight how easy it is to do a small overclock on Sandy Bridge. Christ, I even found it very easy on earlier Core 2 platforms as well.
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Jan 16, 2012 14:49
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I'm considering an upgrade in the next couple of weeks from an ancient Core2 e5200 to a 2500k system. If I get a less expensive MB, what speeds could I expect to safely overclock to? I'm not too worried about pushing it to its absolute limits, just a bit of extra speed with the stock cooling setup, etc.
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Vectorwulf posted:I'm considering an upgrade in the next couple of weeks from an ancient Core2 e5200 to a 2500k system. If I get a less expensive MB, what speeds could I expect to safely overclock to? I'm not too worried about pushing it to its absolute limits, just a bit of extra speed with the stock cooling setup, etc. On stock I used 3.8ghz just fine, but it's all going to depend on what you're comfortable with. Your temps may be different than mine for idle and gaming (if you do that).
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Jan 16, 2012 17:53
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Vectorwulf posted:I'm considering an upgrade in the next couple of weeks from an ancient Core2 e5200 to a 2500k system. If I get a less expensive MB, what speeds could I expect to safely overclock to? I'm not too worried about pushing it to its absolute limits, just a bit of extra speed with the stock cooling setup, etc.
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Jan 16, 2012 17:54
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Vectorwulf posted:I'm considering an upgrade in the next couple of weeks from an ancient Core2 e5200 to a 2500k system. If I get a less expensive MB, what speeds could I expect to safely overclock to? I'm not too worried about pushing it to its absolute limits, just a bit of extra speed with the stock cooling setup, etc. Really depends on just how cheap you go on the motherboard. Honestly, with a component that important, why scrimp? You don't have to go nuts with it and get a ROG board or a Sabertooth like I did, because you're probably not going for a super high clock so you probably don't need ridiculously good power delivery... But cheapest boards generally have a lot of corners cut besides just the 4-phase VRM. Consider that next to the power supply, the motherboard is the one thing that can kill everything in your system if it goes wrong. Consider that the price difference between a crap one and a good one is about $30-$40, because a lot of the advanced features are unnecessary for a majority of users so you don't have to go with the Deluxe or the Pro or whatever... You just want a board that has solid power delivery, uses good parts for important areas, and has quality passive cooling. I'm definitely an Asus fan at this point, I've used Asus boards for three out of three of my last builds and love them. That's an anecdote, not data, it turns out that Asus actually has a slightly higher return rate, according to what sparse info we have access to, but it's still not exceptional or damning or anything. I like Asus because I can tell you how to do a one-step overclock on an Asus motherboard, and they've got Sandy Bridge totally down at this point. Super stable BIOSes. MSI makes great boards too, I don't "get" Gigabyte's boards personally. Too fiddly. Asrock is sort of budget Asus, and generally have 4-phase VRM which will limit your overclocking, but there's one Asrock board in particular that Factory Factory could tell you off the top of his head that runs a really good price but has especially nice power delivery and features, too. I wish I could remember the name, sorry.
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Thanks for the input! Hope no one minds, but I posted this as my planned upgrade list in another thread: 8gb Ram $29.99 i5-2500K $179.99 GA-Z68AP-D3 LGA 1155 Z68 ATX Intel Motherboard $109.99 Microcenter has so far been amazing about warranties/returns if something goes wrong. But is that motherboard going to be a bad deal? I'm still pretty fresh at PC building, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's some key feature I'm overlooking. *ninja edit: I currently have a fully functioning LGA775 system, and am planning on just upgrading those bits for the time being.
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Vectorwulf posted:GA-Z68AP-D3 LGA 1155 Z68 ATX Intel Motherboard
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Gigabyte is fine (and practically a requirement if you ever want to try OS X) and having serial/parallel/msata is a little fruity but doesn't hurt anything. That said I'd put another $50 on top for a -UD3 board rather than the budget level one you linked. Can never have too many USB ports or audio jacks.
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HalloKitty posted:I have the same board (P8Z68-V Pro). Maybe we're just spoilt. I have the same board as you both and I love extolling the virtues. The software is awesome and not bloaty. Also those thunderbolt ports are going to be insanely expensive.
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Jan 17, 2012 07:38
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~Coxy posted:Gigabyte is fine
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I've had issues with Gigabyte boards in testing our production PCIe card, their slots don't adhere to the spec all that well. It had some seriously weird behaviour that was a beast to characterize. It's been the only manufacturer we've had problems with, not even the cheaper Asrock stuff has given any issues.
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Gigabyte has also repeatedly had problems with AHCI support. For example, Anandtech ran into some here. A couple weeks ago someone in the SSD thread had to go through a lot of song and dance to get their boot time to squeak in under a minute.
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All this talk about motherboards is making me rethink my decision. I was recommended this one: ASRock H61M-GS LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard I was a bit wary about such a good price but was told not to write it off just because it was cheap. It seems no different from the more expensive Extreme3 Gen3 (which was my first choice) except it has no PCI slots, but I don't have any PCI cards anyway. Is this board going to be okay?
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WardeL posted:All this talk about motherboards is making me rethink my decision. I was recommended this one: The H61 chipset doesn't have SATA 6Gbps, which you might not care about at all
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WardeL posted:All this talk about motherboards is making me rethink my decision. I was recommended this one: You aren't going to be able to overclock. Are you okay with that?
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Wedesdo posted:You aren't going to be able to overclock. Are you okay with that? He said earlier in the thread that he didn't give the tiniest poo poo about overclocking, so I guess that's not a concern.
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HalloKitty posted:He said earlier in the thread that he didn't give the tiniest poo poo about overclocking, so I guess that's not a concern. In that case he might as well get this if it comes back in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135288&Tpk=N82E16813135288 $30.
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Wedesdo posted:In that case he might as well get this if it comes back in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135288&Tpk=N82E16813135288 Even given that it's pretty much as cheap as it gets, the amount of technology that goes into making that, and its sophistication, blows my goddamned mind. An entry level guitar which is basically just a few pieces of wood stuck together with simple machines runs $250-$300 if you don't want to have problems with tuning all the time, but you can get an incredibly sophisticated, carefully engineered piece of advanced technology for $30. 
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mayodreams posted:I am really pissed about the lack of Thunderbolt devices right now. Apple has been shipping machines with it since like April, and the only things we have available are expensive storage solutions, one video interface, and the Apple Cinema Display. I am dying for the dock that Belkin demoed over the summer that has more USB ports, Firewire 400/800, and a Gigabit Ethernet connection. I'd even settle for just a TB to gigabit adapter for my MBA because the wireless only is killing me. It's really expensive. We looked into adding Thunderbolt to some of our products and it was basically going to increase the MSRP by $100...
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MeramJert posted:It's really expensive. We looked into adding Thunderbolt to some of our products and it was basically going to increase the MSRP by $100... What kind of prices were you quoted for the controller ICs? Obviously your product already has PCIe/DP on it, I'm curious as to what the major integrating cost was, if you can discuss it without breaking NDA.
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I wonder about this quote: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5351/msis-z77-ivy-bridge-motherboards-at-ces-now-with-thunderbolt-support quote:MSI doesn't have an estimate on pricing yet but I'm hearing that the Thunderbolt controller should add another $20 - $30 on average to any design. Then there's one of the Blackmagic video boxes for $240, vs $200 for the USB 3 version...ignoring the $50 TB cable you still have to get on top of that. And there's the MSI PCIe box: http://pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/CES-2012-MSI-GUS-II-External-Thunderbolt-Graphics-Upgrade-System quote:MSI mentioned they were hopeful the price would be in the $150 range which is actually quite a good surprise considering they are going to be including the Thunderbolt cable in the box - an accessory that is notoriously expensive today. japtor fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Jan 19, 2012 |
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movax posted:What kind of prices were you quoted for the controller ICs? Obviously your product already has PCIe/DP on it, I'm curious as to what the major integrating cost was, if you can discuss it without breaking NDA. Basically what the guy above me quoted, adding the controller ICs was in the area of $25, which for us translates into about $100 MSRP increase in our products. We weren't even going to include a cable, which are also insanely expensive...
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MeramJert posted:Basically what the guy above me quoted, adding the controller ICs was in the area of $25, which for us translates into about $100 MSRP increase in our products. We weren't even going to include a cable, which are also insanely expensive... Ahh, gotcha. We take care of our external PCIe needs right now via fiber, and that works well for us. TB would drive our cost super high and we wouldn't even touch its DP capability.
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What's so special to the TB cables, that they're so expensive?
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Combat Pretzel posted:What's so special to the TB cables, that they're so expensive?
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Alereon posted:I think that explanation is bullshit because DisplayPort and HDMI push video at about the same bitrate through a passive cable with no problem. No, they don't. DisplayPort 1.2, which barely anything can support yet, only pushes 4.32Gb/s, and HDMI 1.3/1.4 can only support a lethargic 3.4Gb/s. They achieve better throughput by having 3-4 lanes at that bitrate.
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What sort of display settings would you need to hit the limits of current HDMI?
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Vectorwulf posted:What sort of display settings would you need to hit the limits of current HDMI? HDMI 1.4 can handle 4096x2160 @ 24 Hz (digital cinema), 3840x1260 @ 30 Hz (quad HD), or 2560x1600 @ 75 Hz.
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http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12302/quote:Intel has formally announced a new program called the Performance Tuning Protection Plan (PTPP), which provides full warranty protection for select “K”, “X”, and LGA2011-socketed boxed processors processors no matter how you kill it. This is in addition to your standard 3 year warranty. In other words, if it fails under normal usage, Intel will replace it under the standard warranty; if it fails while running outside of Intel's specifications, Intel will replace it under the Performance Tuning Protection Plan. The plan pricing and supported processors include: haha this is going to be awesome. The flood gates of stupid will be opened now that people have this kind of safety net. And finally Intel offers something that the extreme community won't bitch about! edit - Oh never mind it's not that generous  quote:Exclusions to Coverage. This Plan does NOT cover: WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jan 20, 2012 |
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You're going to have to explicitly and physically abuse the processor in order to invalidate this protection plan. If there are no defects that are visible (i.e. BURN MARKS) you are quite literally in the clear. gigabyte protection plan.E: Think of it this way: If you've never done overclocking, or you've done due diligence on the capabilities of your processor but were afraid to push it to that limit this is the plan for you. incoherent fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Jan 20, 2012 |
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Hum my new h100 is coming. Tempted to jack my 2500K up to 1.42V and see if I can get 5 GHz. What's the max safe voltage for a sandy bridge again? I heard ~1.45 is okay on water?
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Wedesdo posted:Hum my new h100 is coming. Tempted to jack my 2500K up to 1.42V and see if I can get 5 GHz. How you're cooling it doesn't matter, you're still battering 32nm silicon with a higher voltage. Water cooling may do better at heat transfer though, and that pays off with the extra heat generated from your higher voltage.
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