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It's worst not worse. So many people are posting art they don't like, and not actual bad art. Jim Lee has plenty of flaws, but he's not a bad artist. He draws a good Catwoman and Batman, and I can't think of a better rendition of Nightwing. That cover of Batman and Nightwing racing across the roof tops is one of my favorites.
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Die Laughing posted:It's worst not worse. So many people are posting art they don't like, and not actual bad art. Jim Lee has plenty of flaws, but he's not a bad artist. He draws a good Catwoman and Batman, and I can't think of a better rendition of Nightwing. That cover of Batman and Nightwing racing across the roof tops is one of my favorites. No kidding. When I think of superhero art, I think of Jim Lee.
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Jan 21, 2012 03:39
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Die Laughing posted:It's worst not worse. So many people are posting art they don't like, and not actual bad art. Jim Lee has plenty of flaws, but he's not a bad artist. He draws a good Catwoman and Batman, and I can't think of a better rendition of Nightwing. That cover of Batman and Nightwing racing across the roof tops is one of my favorites. You mean this one?  I've always been a hardcore fan of Nightwing  I'm really not sure why. Maybe it's just seeing young Dick Grayson all grown up and kicking rear end by his onesies.If it wasn't and this just turns out to be a poster instead of a comic book thing, I'll remove it. Its all I could find when googling 'Jim Lee Nightwing Rooftop'. Malachite_Dragon fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jan 21, 2012 |
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Jan 21, 2012 04:11
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Nightwing's leg in that rooftop picture looks weird to me, it seems too long and kinda bent wrong. Here's some sweet art by Rafael Grampa   
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Jan 21, 2012 04:16
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I can understand the criticism of Lee (people looking like models with costumes spray painted on etc) but for me Lee's work is the quintessential ideal of superhero comics. He draws gods in human form pretty much, and that is why I love his art work. It wouldn't work for something that isn't a capes book and that is fair enough. He is an artist that definitely knows what his strengths are and he draws towards them.
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Jan 21, 2012 07:37
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FoneBone posted:
Escher Girls did a take on this. It looks even better animated.  
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Jan 21, 2012 13:58
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Dacap posted:Nightwing's leg in that rooftop picture looks weird to me, it seems too long and kinda bent wrong. first one is a bit messy but wow the other ones look super nice. i specially like that daredevil's costume actually looks like it was put together by a blind guy  also hey is this thread only about superhero comics?? there are a couple of artists i really like but they're more in the ARTSY FARTSY EUROCOMIC department
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Jan 21, 2012 15:31
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SexyBlindfold posted:first one is a bit messy but wow the other ones look super nice. i specially like that daredevil's costume actually looks like it was put together by a blind guy Post them, all comics are good here.
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Jan 21, 2012 15:40
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SexyBlindfold posted:first one is a bit messy but wow the other ones look super nice. i specially like that daredevil's costume actually looks like it was put together by a blind guy I'm sure if you look through the thread most of the good art is not from superhero comics.
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Jan 21, 2012 16:35
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ok i really like enrique breccia's stuff. specially alvar mayor, which is a loosely linear series about an adventurer during the spanish conquest of the americas it started out looking nice, but nothing particularly incredible (also the plots were p. much average adventure comic stuff)  (keep in mind that the original comic was in pure black and white, there was a magazine that compiled most of the series which was good because it was pretty hard to find, but sometimes it also felt the need to give the pages an absolutely awful color job) but as the story progressed both the writing and the art started getting really stylized - breccia started showing off his fancy inkwork and carlos trillo moved the issues from "here is a tale of danger and adventure" to "here is a really sad short story with some swords thrown at it". 
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Jan 21, 2012 17:00
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Soonmot posted:Post them, all comics are good here.  Marguerite Abouet  Juanjo Guarnido  Enki Bilal  Grzegorz Rosiński
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Jan 21, 2012 17:48
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I love Richard Case's art on Doom Patrol. I'm sure it also has to do with the coloring and inking of the piece but I felt like his style really highlighted the other-worldliness of some of Morrison's out there ideas. Especially when we finally got to look at the Ant Farm under the Pentagon.  Doom Patrol v2 #44
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Jan 22, 2012 08:38
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Die Laughing posted:It's worst not worse. So many people are posting art they don't like, and not actual bad art. Jim Lee has plenty of flaws, but he's not a bad artist. He draws a good Catwoman and Batman, and I can't think of a better rendition of Nightwing. That cover of Batman and Nightwing racing across the roof tops is one of my favorites. Yeah, he's not a bad artist at all. But to me he's kind of a...boring artist. Once you've seen one Jim Lee comic you pretty much know what to expect from all of them.
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Jan 24, 2012 22:11
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DarkCrawler posted:Yeah, he's not a bad artist at all. But to me he's kind of a...boring artist. Once you've seen one Jim Lee comic you pretty much know what to expect from all of them. I think Jim Lee works better on covers and pin up type works than on interior art. I'm not sure that sequential story telling is his strong point - but he does nail that "superhero" feel quite nicely. However, I think it's Alex Ross who really captures the iconic feel of DC characters, especially the Justice League members:   He can give a sense of gravitas and presense to slighty goofier costumes, like Alan Scott's Green Lantern get up:  When I think DC superheros, I often think of Alex Ross's depictions of them.
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Jan 24, 2012 22:57
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I recently finished reading the first arc of X-Force with art done by Crain. Now I think he is an okay artist, though his characters look a tad too stiff and more like mannequins than actual people. My main problem though is that all is work looks so dark.   I guess this could be blamed on the inker/colourist, but reading the first trade (the above images were just stuff I pulled off GIS and I couldn't find any from the first trade)some panels were really hard to stare at. I get that stuff is supposed to happen in shadows but when you have a character dressed in black standing in shadows doing some kind of action it is very hard to tell what is going on. Then stuff doesn't happen in shadows but it is still so dark that you can't really tell what is going on.
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Jan 24, 2012 23:05
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I was browsing eschergirls and it's weird to see Milo Manara being called a "cheesecake artist". Also there's nothing wrong with some poses that get posted there, except for the whole misogynist thing, but that's got nothing to do with bad artistry as far as anatomy goes.
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Jan 25, 2012 05:29
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Alex Ross really kind of lives and dies by whatever photo reference he is using. Sometimes it looks great, sometimes it looks like your parents getting ready for a Halloween party.
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Jan 25, 2012 05:40
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Madkal posted:I recently finished reading the first arc of X-Force with art done by Crain. Now I think he is an okay artist, though his characters look a tad too stiff and more like mannequins than actual people. Crain was pretty guilty of this with his Ghost Rider and X-Force work. The issues were very dark and muddy. I get the feeling part of it is stylistic choice. I think the other part is that he was still learning as far as the rendering and digital painting go. His current series, Carnage USA (with Zeb Wells writing), is much brighter and more colorful.
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Jan 25, 2012 06:48
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Madrox posted:Crain was pretty guilty of this with his Ghost Rider and X-Force work. The issues were very dark and muddy. I get the feeling part of it is stylistic choice. I think the other part is that he was still learning as far as the rendering and digital painting go. His current series, Carnage USA (with Zeb Wells writing), is much brighter and more colorful. Crain is actually, IMHO, a pretty decent artist but he's not necessarily the best visual storyteller - when a scene is supposed to be dark and moody he makes it dark and moody and it's tremendously evocative but you have no idea what's happening. Great art, poor storytelling. He does seem to have vastly improved with Carnage USA, so there's that.
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Jan 25, 2012 06:54
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More Later posted:I was browsing eschergirls and it's weird to see Milo Manara being called a "cheesecake artist". Why? Would you prefer the term "pornographer" instead?
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Jan 25, 2012 07:40
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Hey, have we talked about how cool Jeff Smith is lately? Because I think we should... Seriously, the man works black and white like they are his puppets. Also someone mentioned Sonic the Hedgehog comics a while back and, well, I think this image sums up just how schizophrenic the quality can be on that series depending on the artist...  Sonic the Hedgehog's a helluva drug, kids:  
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Jan 25, 2012 08:49
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servoret posted:Why? Would you prefer the term "pornographer" instead? Milo Manara is actually an amazing storyteller, it's not any of his women or dudes have bad anatomy or are in wrecked positions. He has comics that aren't pornographic, and his layouts and composition are amazing.  Source: Indian Summer The man has a career past drawing naked ladies. Have you never read one of his non erotic comics?
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Jan 25, 2012 09:15
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JackDarko posted:Milo Manara is actually an amazing storyteller, it's not any of his women or dudes have bad anatomy or are in wrecked positions. He has comics that aren't pornographic, and his layouts and composition are amazing.  This is cheesecake, there's no storytelling here that isn't the story of 'girls are soft and I want to touch them'. Edit: I have to admit I don't know the context, though, if it's a parody then good job. If not I'm a bit sad for comics. vvv Oh, that's.. really quite sad. What a pathetic state of affairs. Kojiro fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 09:30
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 It's from this. This is an actual thing that Marvel has published. And yeah, it's pretty much all cheesecake all the time. Carefully thought-out, high quality cheesecake, but cheesecake nonetheless.
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Jan 25, 2012 09:48
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KingKalamari posted:Also someone mentioned Sonic the Hedgehog comics a while back and, well, I think this image sums up just how schizophrenic the quality can be on that series depending on the artist... I remember being so stoked for a Pat Spaz comic as a kid 
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Jan 25, 2012 10:05
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JackDarko posted:The man has a career past drawing naked ladies. Have you never read one of his non erotic comics? Nope. I don't think I've ever seen one offered for sale in America, unless one was hiding somewhere in the big stack of his porn comics that NBM published.
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Jan 25, 2012 11:18
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Kojiro posted:Yeah but the page in question is this- There's nothing sad at all about making a cheeky XMen book for Milo Manara, drawn by Milo Manara. If that type of book should exist, its exactly how it should be done. Better that than regular X-Men books with stupid Greg Land porn poses all over the place.
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Jan 25, 2012 14:44
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Thanks, Let's Be Friends Again.
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Yannick_B posted:There's nothing sad at all about making a cheeky XMen book for Milo Manara, drawn by Milo Manara. If that type of book should exist, its exactly how it should be done. Better that than regular X-Men books with stupid Greg Land porn poses all over the place. You don't think both that book and the Greg Land porn traces are weirdly pandering and cementing the 'comics are for manchildren' image? Of course you'd pick him over Land any day, Manara can sure as hell draw, he's fantastic, I just wish he was being used for something else. If they want to make softcore they should just make it and not veil it as being anything but, or have actual fun with it like Empowered. Anyway, this probably isn't the thread to have this discussion, just wanted to clarify that there's no problem at all with his craftsmanship, just the content. vvv Fair enough, we're coming at it from different angles anyway. Kojiro fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 15:24
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Kojiro posted:You don't think both that book and the Greg Land porn traces are weirdly pandering and cementing the 'comics are for manchildren' image? Of course you'd pick him over Land any day, Manara can sure as hell draw, he's fantastic, I just wish he was being used for something else. If they want to make softcore they should just make it and not veil it as being anything but. I really dont care about "comics are for manchildren"--if a person thinks a Milo Manara PG-13 Xmen comic does that, too bad. His craft is of course better than Land's but if you read that comic, you see it for what it is; a sexy/cheesy romp that is actually meant to be drawn and look that way. Manara brings his own tone and it becomes different, compared to a Land (or other guys like Ed Benes and his crazy butt shots) where they stick "sexy anatomy" in tense or serious conflicts. Now, should Marvel publish silly/sexy XMen comics like that? Maybe not, but its the best version of that type of book and maybe someone discovered Manara out of it, and that is pretty cool.
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Jan 25, 2012 15:38
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Yannick_B posted:I really dont care about "comics are for manchildren"--if a person thinks a Milo Manara PG-13 Xmen comic does that, too bad. Yet it is still written by Chris Claremont
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Jan 25, 2012 16:08
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This is completely off topic, but you guys make no difference between erotic and pornographic?
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Jan 25, 2012 18:31
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d00gZ posted:Thanks, Let's Be Friends Again. Those guys on the right is in for a disappointment:   http://i.imgur.com/gvjHZ.png
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More Later posted:I was browsing eschergirls and it's weird to see Milo Manara being called a "cheesecake artist". Also there's nothing wrong with some poses that get posted there, except for the whole misogynist thing, but that's got nothing to do with bad artistry as far as anatomy goes. eschergirls is mostly about xenomorph poses but the general subject is "bad art in comics re: women". if you literally can't include a female character in a comic without plastering her butt and boobs in every single page that makes you a pretty bad artist, even if the poses are within the range of the humanly possible. it's just a different kind of bad. i will agree that manara is pretty good though, be it because his style is more "elegant" or because he actually knows how to draw, illustrate, and tell a story. i'd chalk that terrible page (and the particular gripe the blog makes about it) to a terrible idea. e: it is a bit creepy how every single manara female looks the same though SexyBlindfold fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 19:52
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d00gZ posted:Thanks, Let's Be Friends Again. Look at that guy in the green. I bet he's just thinking of excuses to annotate the book.
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cyberpunksurvivor posted:Worse: Jim Lee Lee's popularity with even hardcore comics fans has always perplexed me. Everyone looks exactly the same, perfectly generic, and stiff as a board. I don't get the appeal.
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Jan 25, 2012 20:05
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servoret posted:Nope. I don't think I've ever seen one offered for sale in America, unless one was hiding somewhere in the big stack of his porn comics that NBM published. Dark Horse is releasing his work in Hardcovers, the first was released last year it's quite nice.
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Jan 25, 2012 20:35
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SexyBlindfold posted:i'd chalk that terrible page (and the particular gripe the blog makes about it) to a terrible idea. Also, I think as Manara has gotten older his style has degenerated into a caricature of itself. I'm surprised that the blog wasn't griping about the fact that in that same panel Rogue appears to be giving a blowjob to an invisible man. More Later posted:This is completely off topic, but you guys make no difference between erotic and pornographic? "In practice, attempts to sort out good erotica from bad porn inevitably comes down to 'What turns me on is erotic; what turns you on is pornographic.'"
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d00gZ posted:Thanks, Let's Be Friends Again. This is truly an amazing thing right here.
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