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Huh. The last strip was one and a half pages, but this one is a full page. That's a but odd, but I guess that other half page will be used as commentary in the print edition.
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drat, Tsukiko just doesn't give a gently caress, does she? She's probably looking for the other half of the ritual, which brings us back to why Xykon didn't tell her the ritual was in two halves, anyway. I haven't read Start of Darkness, but did Xykon even know? From the fact that Tsukiko accuses Redcloak of hiding the other half, it almost suggests Xykon thought his half was the entire thing. I guess that's why he had Tsukiko studying it in the first place, because it didn't make sense to him, either.
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Jan 19, 2012 21:55
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Danzou posted:drat, Tsukiko just doesn't give a gently caress, does she? Shes really obviously (and correctly) accusing Redcloak of hiding the phylactery
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Jan 19, 2012 22:08
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run DNC posted:Shes really obviously (and correctly) accusing Redcloak of hiding the phylactery I don't think so. I think she's there looking for more info on the ritual. Also I can't wait for when Redcloak gets to gently caress that bitch up. We all know its going to happen. Redcloak might not have poo poo on Xykon but he will eat that Mystic Theurge alive.
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Jan 19, 2012 22:30
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As annoying as some people found Miko (I never really hated her,) I can't stand Tsukiko. Just a very annoying character.
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Jan 19, 2012 23:19
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run DNC posted:Shes really obviously (and correctly) accusing Redcloak of hiding the phylactery
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Jan 19, 2012 23:29
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I concur, I think she's there for the ritual.
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Jan 19, 2012 23:31
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Pretty sure she's referencing what she figured out in this strip: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0700.html Xykon is using Tsukiko as the backup divine caster to complete the spell to control the Snarl - Redclock doesn't know about this. Xykon is (probably accurately) assuming Redclock will betray him at some point. However, Redclock has been lying to Xykon about what the ritual actually does - he's told Xykon that it will allow them to control the Snarl, when all it will actually do is let them control the location of its prison/gates. That gets explained in the villians primer book. Tsukiko finally understood the ritual and can call Redcloak on his lie.
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Jan 19, 2012 23:41
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That old strip brings up something for me that I had never considered before. The monster in the darkness just automatically knew that it was one half of a ritual, even when the Mystic Theurge didn't. Clue to its true nature, perhaps?
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Jan 20, 2012 02:04
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Clearly, they'll go through half of a conversation arguing, and Redcloak will THINK she means the phylactery, because that's what's being set up here. Then the whole thing will get turned on its head somehow, because I don't think Rich would be the type to make this much build-up for a simple gag.
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Jan 20, 2012 03:15
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I don't think Tsukiko's search for the ritual will be fruitful. I doubt that Redcloak ever wrote his half of the ritual down anywhere - why would he? In Start of Darkness, he told Xykon that the knowledge of how to perform the ritual was inherent in the Crimson Mantle. She isn't going to be able to extort it out of him either, he's smart enough to know that would make him expendable.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I don't think Tsukiko's search for the ritual will be fruitful. I doubt that Redcloak ever wrote his half of the ritual down anywhere - why would he? In Start of Darkness, he told Xykon that the knowledge of how to perform the ritual was inherent in the Crimson Mantle. That's all true, but this lets Rich give that same info to people who haven't read Start.
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Jan 20, 2012 08:27
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She probably assumes that Redcloak, like all villains, has a secret diary spelling his evil plans. These things can be taken for granted in a D&D universe.
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Jan 21, 2012 20:22
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Speaking of figuring things out... Ritual Behavior
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Jan 22, 2012 08:18
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so... it creates a snarl? Dun dun DUNNNNNN! And I'm guessing this isn't Redcloak's secret that's out of the bag, but the Dark One's secret.
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Vorgen posted:so... it creates a snarl? Dun dun DUNNNNNN! And I'm guessing this isn't Redcloak's secret that's out of the bag, but the Dark One's secret. Spoilered in case anyone hasn't read Start of Darkness yet.... It opens a new portal to the plane of the caster's choice. The Plan of the Dark One is to open said portal into a god's throne room (the example in the book was Thor's) so that the Snarl will kill that god, and then the Dark One can blackmail the other gods with the threat of instant death if they don't rework the world in favor of goblinkind. In other words, you are correct....it IS the Dark One's secret.
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Jan 22, 2012 08:40
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Seems to me it would be easy to talk his way out of it, though. Just claim that the portion of the ritual that controls the Snarl is entirely within the Divine half of the spell.
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Jan 22, 2012 08:54
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Whatever Tsukiko's trying to do, it might be a bad idea to do so, considering Redcloak's almost certainly higher level than her. And as a Mystic Theurge, that means she's seriously lacking in the high-level spells department.
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Jan 22, 2012 08:59
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She's trying to replace Redcloak as Xykon's go to divine caster. Part two of this plan is to get fearless leader into bed.
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Colon V posted:Whatever Tsukiko's trying to do, it might be a bad idea to do so, considering Redcloak's almost certainly higher level than her. And as a Mystic Theurge, that means she's seriously lacking in the high-level spells department. I think the highest thing we've seen her throw around are 5th level arcane spells, though Animate Dead doesn't allow you to raise wights so maybe 6th level divine. Assuming she entered as a cleric 3/wizard 3, that would mean she's somewhere around 12-14. So she's either got an ace up her sleeve, a lot of confidence in her wights ability to gently caress up Reddy's casting, or she's just higher level than we've seen. The disparity between a cleric's offensive capacity and a wizard's helps her, but probably not enough if she's just 14. Not unless she's memorized something ludicrous like Sonorous Hum and Maximized Manyjaws, anyway. Cabbit fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Jan 22, 2012 09:33
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She just has a death wish.
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Hoping that the next strip will have Redcloak rebuking undead, getting the wights to eat her and then dispose of everything.
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Tsukiko's banking on Xykon being suspicious if Tsukiko dies and isn't ressurected. Xykon gave her free reign to bust Redcloak's chops if he started bucking, so Xykon would probably be very interested in what she had to say if he came back to find her dead.
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Yeah, I have a feeling the point of this is to get some exposition out to the people who haven't read Start of Darkness, and then Redcloak is going to kill the hell out of Tsukiko.
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Jan 22, 2012 11:03
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But he's low on spells from totally wiping the floor with the resistance, so maybe he can't right now?
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, I have a feeling the point of this is to get some exposition out to the people who haven't read Start of Darkness, and then Redcloak is going to kill the hell out of Tsukiko. I'm going to extend this speculation into "Redclock kills Tsukiko, then reveals the amulet to Xykon so he'll rush off and not question why Tsukiko isn't around."
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Jan 22, 2012 11:38
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He could hint that she was planning a romantic surprise for Xykon after suggesting they move on right away.
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I think he is going to plant the phylacery on her, and then reveal it to Xykon, so he kills her himself and thus not grow suspicious of Redcloack. Maybe imply that she was planning to implant some love magic on it.
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Wili posted:I think he is going to plant the phylacery on her, and then reveal it to Xykon, so he kills her himself and thus not grow suspicious of Redcloack. Maybe imply that she was planning to implant some love magic on it. But Redcloak being in possession of the phylactery gives him an enormous ace up his sleeve, something that could very well turn the tables and twist the whole story around.
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Huh. Tsukiko is a lot smarter than I gave her credit for.
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If you want to see some of the older books back in print, Burlew has a kickstarter.
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I may be missing something really obvious, but why does she call him "Wrong-eye?"
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Strudel Man posted:I may be missing something really obvious, but why does she call him "Wrong-eye?" It is a reference to events in Start of Darkness. Redcloack had a brother who was missing his left eye, and so was nicknamed "Right-Eye" by Xykon, who couldn't be bothered to remember his actual name. The brother was killed in the climax of the book, in a series of events that I won't spoil but were quite traumatizing for Redcloack. Calling him "Wrong-Eye" is something that Xykon knows is good for pushing Redcloack's buttons, and reminding him that he is nothing but Xykon's little bitch. Wili fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Wili posted:It is a reference to events in Start of Darkness. This is also why in an earlier strip Redcloak was looking in the mirror before his big speech and saying 'this'll all be worth it, you'll see'.
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LightWarden posted:If you want to see some of the older books back in print, Burlew has a kickstarter. I really don't get why he doesn't sell PDFs of his books online instead. Sure there's an increased chance of piracy, but he could make more money per sale while selling them for much cheaper.
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Deki posted:I really don't get why he doesn't sell PDFs of his books online instead. Sure there's an increased chance of piracy, but he could make more money per sale while selling them for much cheaper. That's a bit too close to selling something in an identical form to something that you're already giving away for nothing.
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Calaveron posted:But Redcloak being in possession of the phylactery gives him an enormous ace up his sleeve, something that could very well turn the tables and twist the whole story around. It's really just a question of which is a bigger ace: - Xykon not knowing about what the spell actually does - Xykon not knowing he has the amulet
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Jan 22, 2012 21:57
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I think Tsukiko just pushed one button too many and Recloak is going to flip the gently caress out on her. About time, too!
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Bobulus posted:It's really just a question of which is a bigger ace: And we all know the answer to that to, If Xykon ever finds out that all the poo poo he and Redcloak have being through, including his lich transformation, was based on a lie, and that the control of the snarl gate is granted to the Dark-one rather than him, he'd probably wipe out the Goblin race as retribution.
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Bobulus posted:It's really just a question of which is a bigger ace: Arguably, the best way to handle it is to get both. Kill Tsukiko and replace her with a polymorphed Hobgoblin or something. Or just kill her straight up and say that you did it because she was in your room.
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