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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Scotty is a real nice dude. WCW Thread: Scotty 2 Hotty Appreciation Station.
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Remember the Gimmick Battle Royal? Scottie got the biggest pop out of all the competitors. I don't know who Mike Graham is.
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Jan 21, 2012 09:51
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I remember there being some wrestling game (probably one of the earlier smackdowns) where Scotty 2 Hotty's finishing move was just the dance part of the worm. His standing attack to a downed opponent was the chop and you had to do it by pressing the x button. So if you had a bunch of finishers lined up you could just keep hopping around and doing the worm like five times in a row without actually attacking while your opponent was forced to lie there like an idiot.
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Jan 21, 2012 10:04
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Who was the band playing at Souled Out 1997? The singer looked familiar.
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Jan 21, 2012 23:15
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I posted:I don't know who Mike Graham is. Here's Mikey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FxAE8dnAuE
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Jan 22, 2012 05:25
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Ten random questions about WCW: 10. How did nWo Japan explain the nWo angle to fans in Japan? That nWo guys from the U.S. were invading Japan, and some Japanese guys were helping them, or what? 9. Towards the end of WCW, guys like Kid Romeo, Mike Modest and Christopher Daniels ended up getting on TV. Was this WCW genuinely looking for new stars, desperately trying new things, just randomly throwing poo poo at the wall, or were they hurting for names/faces/wrestlers to fill air time? 8. I forget the timing: was Booker T saddled with poo poo like GI Bro and Harlem Heat 2000 just as he was about to go main event level, or before he really got over with the crowd? It seems like the sort of thing the paranoid guys on top would do to sabotage someone. 7. They knew Benoit wanted to leave, but still put him over Sid and gave him the belt, and had all the guys come out from the locker room to watch, giving the match the 'big event' feeling. He quit the next day anyway, so... why the exercise in futility? Was Benoit leaving still in doubt after all? 6. Even in the last weeks of WCW, were they still doing 3-hour Nitros, 2-hour Thunders, and stuff like WCW Pro, WCW Saturday Night, and so on? 5. Lenny Lane was underrated. How did he fall off the face of the earth? 4. Who was basically dead in the water when McMahon bought WCW? Konnan (for Max Moon), Jeff Jarrett (for *NOT* holding up the WWF to job to Chyna), Rick Rude (for showing up on a live Nitro during a taped Raw, or was he dead by then?), Lex Luger (for showing up on the first Nitro/ditching WWF), Shane Douglas (LOL) and who else? Or am I making large assumptions? 3. What was the weird American Gladiator ripoff show with storylines that showed up on a Nitro or two for some dumb storyline? Battledome or something? 2. Who were some guys that WCW booked better than the WWF/E, your opinion? (Mine: Raven, DDP, Goldberg, Jericho, Malenko) 1. Did WCW make a ton of money from that giant two or three day stadium show with Japan in North Korea, or was it a wash, or what? 0 (gently caress you, zero is a number). From the inception of the nWo (early/mid-1996) until the end, how many different belts/championships did WCW have? (Was the "Lord of the Ring" (King of the Ring ripoff) in that period, or before?)
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Jan 22, 2012 06:01
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Lone Rogue posted:Here's Mikey. Stick with the proven winners!  e: 9: Pretty sure they were typical tryouts that somehow ended up on Nitro instead of dark matches or Jakked/Shotgun/Velocity like WWE tryouts. 7: Sullivan definitely addresses why Benoit got the belt in his end of WCW shoot but I've forgotten if it was because he foolishly thought it would persuade Chris to stay or that WCW was endlessly stupid and didn't change the finish when it was obvious he would leave. Found a review! Sullivan went through with it against near total opposition, and he told Sid to have his leg under the rope so they could make Arn Anderson look like a fool and WCW look bush league.. 6: Nitro went back to 2 hours (8-10) shortly into the Russo era. WCW Saturday Night was canceled. Thunder moved to Wednesday to dodge Smackdown but it was there til the end. 4: Rude died in 1999. There weren't a lot of people who were dead in the water. Just old or not worth bringing over. 3: I liked Battledome :|: UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Jan 22, 2012 06:01
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Red posted:Ten random questions about WCW: He became very popular after his 7 series match with Beniot. So he got GI Bro and Harlem Heat 2000 after he was popular. However, GI Bro was his first gimmick in the indies. The reason he left was Sullivan was made booker and they had a feud due to Beniot stealing Sullivans wife Rude was dead
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Jan 22, 2012 06:06
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Red posted:Jeff Jarrett (for *NOT* holding up the WWF to job to Chyna) He did hold up the WWF to job to Chyna. That's where the bad blood comes from.
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Jan 22, 2012 07:16
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:New guys aren't draws. Just remember that those four midgets were all either the same height or taller than Mike Graham. It also surprises me to find out Perry Saturn is only 5'10" (billed). He always seemed much taller to me.
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Jan 22, 2012 07:20
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Gavok posted:He did hold up the WWF to job to Chyna. That's where the bad blood comes from. It's very possible he and Russo conspired to have him work a PPV without a contract. But then WWE forgot to renew The Rock's contract in 2004 so it's possible this one is completely on McMahon's incompetence rather than anyone's malice.
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Jan 22, 2012 07:20
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Red posted:10. How did nWo Japan explain the nWo angle to fans in Japan? That nWo guys from the U.S. were invading Japan, and some Japanese guys were helping them, or what? quote:9. Towards the end of WCW, guys like Kid Romeo, Mike Modest and Christopher Daniels ended up getting on TV. Was this WCW genuinely looking for new stars, desperately trying new things, just randomly throwing poo poo at the wall, or were they hurting for names/faces/wrestlers to fill air time? quote:8. I forget the timing: was Booker T saddled with poo poo like GI Bro and Harlem Heat 2000 just as he was about to go main event level, or before he really got over with the crowd? It seems like the sort of thing the paranoid guys on top would do to sabotage someone.  Booker T defiantly got the Harlem Heat 2000 and GI Bro stuff before he won his first title.quote:7. They knew Benoit wanted to leave, but still put him over Sid and gave him the belt, and had all the guys come out from the locker room to watch, giving the match the 'big event' feeling. He quit the next day anyway, so... why the exercise in futility? Was Benoit leaving still in doubt after all? quote:4. Who was basically dead in the water when McMahon bought WCW? Konnan (for Max Moon), Jeff Jarrett (for *NOT* holding up the WWF to job to Chyna), Rick Rude (for showing up on a live Nitro during a taped Raw, or was he dead by then?), Lex Luger (for showing up on the first Nitro/ditching WWF), Shane Douglas (LOL) and who else? Or am I making large assumptions? quote:2. Who were some guys that WCW booked better than the WWF/E, your opinion? (Mine: Raven, DDP, Goldberg, Jericho, Malenko) quote:1. Did WCW make a ton of money from that giant two or three day stadium show with Japan in North Korea, or was it a wash, or what? quote:0 (gently caress you, zero is a number). From the inception of the nWo (early/mid-1996) until the end, how many different belts/championships did WCW have? (Was the "Lord of the Ring" (King of the Ring ripoff) in that period, or before?) US Championship Television Championship Cruiserweight Hardcore Tag-Team Cruiserweight Tag-Team Women's Championship Women's Cruiserweight Championship Some of those bizarre looking titles took place in the late 90's when WCW was doing really stupid/weird things, and keep in mind that the NWO lasted a really loving long time.
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Jan 22, 2012 07:37
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Perry Normal posted:Didn't all that become moot when Mike Graham threatened to cut up one of them if they hosed up his situation in the company though? As I recall, they let them all go without fuss to avoid being sued for having a person in some position of authority threatening to murder talent. I'm going to be honest, the only thing I know Mike Graham from is the "never drew a dime" line. I saw he was Eddie Graham's son when I looked him up, but in all honesty Jeff Jarrett is an infinitely better example of a good second generation wrestler than him.
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Jan 22, 2012 16:25
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Gavok posted:He did hold up the WWF to job to Chyna. That's where the bad blood comes from. I remember hearing that Jarrett's contract ended the day before No Mercy, and he was planning on leaving the company with Russo. So Russo basically booked him in this feud, knowing his contract would end the day before a PPV as a title holder, and Vince paid Jarrett some insane amount of money to show up and drop the belt to Chyna in their No Mercy "Good Housekeeping Match" Man, those were the fun days... dude wrestles on a WWF PPV one day, and then on Nitro the next.
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Jan 22, 2012 16:30
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Astro7x posted:Man, those were the fun days... dude wrestles on a WWF PPV one day, and then on Nitro the next. My favourite will always be guys who show up when every level of logic says they shouldn't, like Rick Rude appearing on WWF, WCW and ECW TV in the same week or Mike Awesome appearing out of loving NOWHERE to attack Kevin Nash. Those moments truly made me feel like we were watching a war where no rules existed. Even if rules did.
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Jan 22, 2012 16:37
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That's one of the sad things about wrestling today. All the young guys don't have the balls to do stuff like that. Can you imagine Miz or Orton doing stuff like that? And even if there was a wrestler who would there's nowhere for them to go.
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Jan 22, 2012 17:02
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MassRayPer posted:You may be the only person with fond memories of that PPV. Super Ninja Fish posted:I know, normally you might think probably think WCW firing Russo would be a good thing for wrestling. It's kind of odd and ironic that WCW ended up losing the 4 best workers in the company over management balking at the idea to put the title on Tank Abbott.
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Jan 22, 2012 17:20
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maniacripper posted:That's one of the sad things about wrestling today. All the young guys don't have the balls to do stuff like that. Can you imagine Miz or Orton doing stuff like that? And even if there was a wrestler who would there's nowhere for them to go. I think this is why I wanted CM Punk to goto ROH so badly. I think it could have meant much more than just re-signing with the fed or going to TNA. We can go on and on about positive or negative career moves but I think it would have meant something. Re-signing didn't.
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Jan 22, 2012 17:34
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Lone Rogue posted:Here's Mikey. I like how he admits he said "I'll cut your head off and put it on a stick" and then denies he threatened him. What a slimy assface.
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Jan 22, 2012 18:23
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Monkeycheese posted:I like how he admits he said "I'll cut your head off and put it on a stick" and then denies he threatened him. What a slimy assface. I love his tattoos. Faded flames. Should be a warning to all of the douchebags today about their tattoos.
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Jan 22, 2012 18:35
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Astro7x posted:I remember hearing that Jarrett's contract ended the day before No Mercy, and he was planning on leaving the company with Russo. So Russo basically booked him in this feud, knowing his contract would end the day before a PPV as a title holder, and Vince paid Jarrett some insane amount of money to show up and drop the belt to Chyna in their No Mercy "Good Housekeeping Match" His contract did end on the Saturday before the PPV, but to think that he had Russo book him into an angle so Jarrett could try to extort McMahon is stretching it. Also, it wasn't really an insane amount of money. Jarrett negotiated a fair 1-day payday (you would have to assume it was fair if they agreed to pay him), and then asked to be paid for that day and for the PPV bonus for that show and for the PPV bonuses for the previous 3 PPVs right then and there. Usually, bonuses are distributed after all of the numbers are final and it takes a few months. That part about demanding all of that money right then and there was not how things were done, and that was seen as a slap in the face.
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Jan 22, 2012 18:49
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Rusty Shackelford posted:His contract did end on the Saturday before the PPV, but to think that he had Russo book him into an angle so Jarrett could try to extort McMahon is stretching it. Also, it wasn't really an insane amount of money. Jarrett negotiated a fair 1-day payday (you would have to assume it was fair if they agreed to pay him), and then asked to be paid for that day and for the PPV bonus for that show and for the PPV bonuses for the previous 3 PPVs right then and there. Usually, bonuses are distributed after all of the numbers are final and it takes a few months. Well that's why Chyna claimed in her book in 2001 at least.
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Jan 22, 2012 19:12
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:
How the gently caress does a company forget a major star's contract ending? Aren't there like whole departments to oversee this? Also, does Rock not know when his contracts up or does he stay silent because he doesn't want to be involved in wrestling?
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Jan 22, 2012 19:24
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oldpainless posted:How the gently caress does a company forget a major star's contract ending? Aren't there like whole departments to oversee this? Also, does Rock not know when his contracts up or does he stay silent because he doesn't want to be involved in wrestling? This is why JR is awesome. When he hosed up on contracts, it was just Jeff Jarrett. When Johnny Ace fucks up, the loving ROCK gets missed. And I side with Jarrett. He just wanted his drat money and to be done with the WWF free and clear, no more bullshit Chyna matches, no more Austin cockblocking a push over Memphis paydays*, no more ga-ga. Besides, it's not like Vince never hosed anyone over. Jarrett just took advantage of JR's mistake, plain and simple. I'm not some super Jeff Jarrett fan, he just did what he thought was right, and I agree. Besides, consider it karmic payback on Vince for making Jeff and Debra go out there and work a jackoff comedy sideshow freak match with loving Nicole Bass five minutes after Owen died. (*I am not saying that I wanted to see an Austin/Jarrett program, but you could have programmed me against Steve Austin in 1998-1999 and drawn.)
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Jan 22, 2012 19:45
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whatsabattle posted:This is why JR is awesome. When he hosed up on contracts, it was just Jeff Jarrett. When Johnny Ace fucks up, the loving ROCK gets missed. The program with Chyna was the first time Jarrett had ever been in any way interesting, and it would be many years before he was interesting again.
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Jan 22, 2012 19:55
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whatsabattle posted:no more Austin cockblocking a push over Memphis paydays* So are you also pissed that Rock *cockblocked* a program with Shawn Michaels because of how Michaels treated Rock when he was a kid and a rookie? Besides, Jarrett wasn't even over enough to main event against Austin. It was Russo trying to push his friend. The only guy Austin rejected for a program that I wasn't happy with was Owen Hart, but Austin still had every right to be apprehensive on a program with Owen after SummerSlam.
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Jan 22, 2012 20:06
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Flameingblack posted:They were both rapidly losing stars, and desperately trying to find new stars to see what stuck. It's weird, but guys like Jamie Noble and Super Dragon were part of WCW during the dying days. Is there even any footage of Super Dragon in WCW? I've never been able to actually find any.
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Jan 22, 2012 20:08
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Suben posted:Is there even any footage of Super Dragon in WCW? I've never been able to actually find any. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMgbTCJbKA e: Looks like it didn't air so it might have been a tryout match.
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Jan 22, 2012 20:15
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Lone Rogue posted:So are you also pissed that Rock *cockblocked* a program with Shawn Michaels because of how Michaels treated Rock when he was a kid and a rookie? Actually I misspoke up there, for it to be an accurate thing, Rock would have to veto a program with Shawn's kid. Jerry ain't Jeff. Lone Rogue posted:Besides, Jarrett wasn't even over enough to main event against Austin. It was Russo trying to push his friend. The only guy Austin rejected for a program that I wasn't happy with was Owen Hart, but Austin still had every right to be apprehensive on a program with Owen after SummerSlam. Regardless of if he was or wasn't over enough, Jeff did what he thought was the right thing, and I agree. Besides, if it spared us one of the 450,000 Undertaker/Austin ppv matches that year, it would have been a great change.
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whatsabattle posted:Actually I misspoke up there, for it to be an accurate thing, Rock would have to veto a program with Shawn's kid. Jerry ain't Jeff. Jeff was also an rear end in a top hat to Steve back when he worked in Memphis. Hence the Rock/Michaels thing. It wasn't just a Jerry grudge. whatsabattle posted:Regardless of if he was or wasn't over enough, Jeff did what he thought was the right thing, and I agree. Besides, if it spared us one of the 450,000 Undertaker/Austin ppv matches that year, it would have been a great change. In 1999? Because that's when I believe there was supposed to be the Jarrett push. That's also when I think Austin was supposed to feud with "The One" Billy Gunn and he veto'ed it. Everyone should have veto'ed it.
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Lone Rogue posted:Here's Mikey. Is Mike Graham the one guy in the entire industry who didn't know that Kevin Sullivan booked his own divorce? gently caress, what a piece of poo poo.
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Jan 22, 2012 21:28
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Mike Graham should be heralded for standing out as a tremendous douche in an industry with no shortage of candidates.
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Astro7x posted:I remember hearing that Jarrett's contract ended the day before No Mercy, and he was planning on leaving the company with Russo. So Russo basically booked him in this feud, knowing his contract would end the day before a PPV as a title holder, and Vince paid Jarrett some insane amount of money to show up and drop the belt to Chyna in their No Mercy "Good Housekeeping Match"
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Jan 22, 2012 22:18
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Moose Bigelow posted:Mike Graham should be heralded for standing out as a tremendous douche in an industry with no shortage of candidates. He is also apparently the World's Shortest Man, given that in a match with Ric Flair the size differential was basically like Giant Khali versus John Cena. Giant Fhlairi.
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LividLiquid posted:Jarrett asked for all the money that was owed to him so he could sever ties with the company completely. He didn't ask for money that wasn't owed to him already. He claims that he was even given stock options and that the entire meeting was positive.
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Jan 22, 2012 22:39
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Quarex posted:He is also apparently the World's Shortest Man, given that in a match with Ric Flair the size differential was basically like Giant Khali versus John Cena. Giant Fhlairi. You're not kidding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fvE4NCcTNM  God drat.
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Jan 22, 2012 23:08
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Lone Rogue posted:The only guy Austin rejected for a program that I wasn't happy with was Owen Hart, but Austin still had every right to be apprehensive on a program with Owen after SummerSlam. Austin/Brock could have been great, but Austin didn't want Brock to pin him clean in the KOTR qualifier.
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Jan 22, 2012 23:20
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Astro7x posted:Austin/Brock could have been great, but Austin didn't want Brock to pin him clean in the KOTR qualifier. I heard it was a dark match?
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Astro7x posted:Austin/Brock could have been great, but Austin didn't want Brock to pin him clean in the KOTR qualifier. Austin was right not to do that with no build on a throwaway raw.
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