monkeyspank posted:

Even Adobe has ceded the Flash on mobile argument.

eric posted:

It's 15 million SOLD vs. 3 million SHIPPED.

zer0spunk posted:

I was booked on a job because I could play flash and change a UA to desktop on location. I went to show a perspective client a reel that's hosted on vimeo. Bringing it up on any mobile device or the vimeo app would serve flash or HTML5 depending on the user's device. Vimeo has a setting that locks out mobile devices from content. I switched over to the tablet browser which could serve the normal site in flash, showed the reel and was able to book the job.

Flash across the web isn't going to disappear quickly and its pretty crazy that some of you think taking away the option of using it is a positive.

Eugene Jerome posted:

Your overpriced, oversized iPod is cool. Just let us chill in this thread, k?

monkeyspank posted:

if it was a technology that could have viably been adapted for mobile long term it would have been. I'm glad that there was a device that could satisfy your use case just like I am glad that the success of iOS hastened the demise of Flash in the long run.

eric posted:

It's 15 million SOLD vs. 3 million SHIPPED.

eric posted:

It's 15 million SOLD vs. 3 million SHIPPED.

Dodoman posted:

Also flash is not going anywhere for a long time. Adobe is incompetent above all things which, among other things, led them to leaving the mobile space. It also doesn't change the fact that till flash disappears, Android phones and tablets can still run flash.

Anal Tributary posted:

- Web games. Irrelevant on tablets, since they pretty much run universally awful on mobile, and are pointless compared to native apps and HTML5 games (Zynga).

Anal Tributary posted:

Err, what? As far as I'm aware, there's only a few spaces where Flash is popular online:

- Web games. Irrelevant on tablets, since they pretty much run universally awful on mobile, and are pointless compared to native apps and HTML5 games (Zynga).
- Video. YouTube will probably phase out desktop Flash within a few years once browsers get their poo poo together a little more, and it's already totally HTML5 on mobile. I don't know why iOS still has the YouTube app; I just use their mobile site when I can.
- Bad restaurant sites. Thank god for Yelp.

So... where else are you seeing Flash? Honest question, not trying to be fanboy at all, I'm just wondering.

Anal Tributary posted:

Err, what? As far as I'm aware, there's only a few spaces where Flash is popular online:

So... where else are you seeing Flash? Honest question, not trying to be fanboy at all, I'm just wondering.

Internaut! posted:

Playbook sales are booming, great success!

zer0spunk posted:

I don't think anyone is white knighting flash at all. It runs like garbage on OSX and I wish it didn't exist, but when I need it, I'd rather be able to use it then wish I could.

you hit the nail on the head though, flash is used in almost all gaming and media content across the web. Blame actionscript.

It's up to you on if you discount how valid that is, but media wise: youtube, hulu, vimeo, fox, tbs, abc, adult swim, comedy central, HBO GO..pretty much the only major media site not using it is netflix and that uses silverlight instead, not HTML5.

quote:

games: kongregate and newsgrounds off the top of my head. I really can't think of any games site using HTML5.

html 5 canvas is the future, but it's still very limited. If it wasn't flash would have vanished already.

Codiusprime posted:

God drat it annoys some people that others use their poo poo for different things.

"I use flash regularly on my mobile device."

"Well you're wrong and stupid and shouldn't do that."

Edit: I miss seeing that the thread had a lot of new posts and having those posts be about actual Android tablets and other cool stuff

Anal Tributary posted:

All of these sites either have mobile sites that use HTML5 and/or apps, making Flash support irrelevant.

quote:

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Craptacular! posted:

CBS owns the TV.com app, actually.

Craptacular! posted:

Here's a serious iOS v Android tablet question: digital magazines, what kind of support is out there in the Android universe? Apple is trying to clean up the App Store by collecting the various magazine clients in Newsstand, and Amazon is a big seller through the Kindle platform but for some reason won't support it's Android client, just Fire and iPad.

dissss posted:

I haven't seen any support at all on Android. Then again on iOS the most common question about News Stand seems to be 'how do I hide it' so I don't know if they're making inroads either.

bull3964 posted:

I know Barnes and Noble added in support for magazines awhile ago in the Nook app.

Craptacular! posted:

Safari and IE are abandoning plugins in future releases. That will be the true death of Flash. Microsoft is even killing Silverlight to hasten that along.

Here's a serious iOS v Android tablet question: digital magazines, what kind of support is out there in the Android universe? Apple is trying to clean up the App Store by collecting the various magazine clients in Newsstand, and Amazon is a big seller through the Kindle platform but for some reason won't support it's Android client, just Fire and iPad.

Back when I set up my Mom's iPad, you couldn't get away from the apps by Newsweek, Oprah Magazine, etc. At least from my searching, Android seems kind of deficient in this area, the way the phones lacked a lot of official news apps from CNN and the like 18 months ago. But I'm probably not seeing the tablet-only apps, so I don't know if this is just my sample.

One would think magazines would be at home here, since Google isn't forcing people to use the in app purchases system to give them a cut of the entire publishing indistry's revenue.

Kynetx posted:

Does the B&N client support magazines?

Kynetx posted:

Jesus christ, we need another thread for you idiots to have your iPad vs. Android dick measuring contest. Can we please, please, please have a thread about Android tablets without the YOSPOS trolling?

Mods? Anyone there?

ModestMuse posted:

Yeah, it's great having the iOS fanboys poo poo up the thread and let us stupid Android users know how great it is:

- no form of expandable memory
- no standard HDMI-out
- using 4:3 screen to watch movies
- having home screens that are just app drawers with folders
- no flash when web browsing
- no USB support

iOS is great, and all the things I listed are stupid features that nobody wants. All hail Apple. They know what's best for us.

Eugene Jerome posted:

I really like this thread and the previous thread, and it depresses me when it gets closed because the Apple nuts can't stop being faggots.

Your overpriced, oversized iPod is cool. Just let us chill in this thread, k?

El Duke posted:

This is XDA level posting. It's post like these that are what gets the thread closed, not "Apple nuts being faggots." The fact that they weren't called out (or were called out on semantics and not for the fact that they were just truly awful posts) makes it even worse. Most people weren't even discussing iOS products, but the mere fact that someone would dare criticize the customer service policies of Asus or the general misguided attempts at making $150 "digital readers" into Android tablets must mean they're trolling Apple fans. And then we get posts like those.

El Duke posted:

zer0spunk posted:

Ok, so, any discussion involving android tablets in the android thread must:

1) Mention ipads since they are "current #1 market leader" or whatever that one guy was saying in his complaint post.
1a) Not be allowed to mention any negatives of the ipad when comparing them to android tablets.


Noted.

Why do ipad users come to the android tablet thread again? Other then to shitpost?

We don't care about your ipad, how hard is this to grasp folks. Jesus-tapdancing-christ.

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

It's just weird. Apple, with the iPod, finally "got right" a lot of what was wrong with the fragmented and Engrish market of MP3 players and made it accessible and easy to use. They then continued on with the iPhone and iPad - they didn't coin just a catchphrase, but literally proved that their stuff Just Works.

You tap on something, it registers. You swipe, it registers and doesn't lag. You want music? You just download it. You want apps? There's like 600,000 and growing. You don't want to choose between 9000 different variants of a product and just confuse yourself without doing mad homework? Just pick up the flavor of the year.

You have problems? Go into an actual brick and mortar store and get it replaced by guys who know what they're doing. You don't live close to one? Call Apple Care and get an English speaking guy from the same country you're calling from and get help.

Apple also has a good business practice where the customer is always right, and a very high reputation to uphold so they'll bend over backwards for their consumers

Their products are so popular that random stores stock random accessories - you can't go into one mall without finding a slew of cases or cords.

They are also so popular that the products will continue to be supported for years to come, and because it's so popular you know you're not buying into something that will phase out with it's own competitor in the same year.

People keep recommending Apple because it's like recommending it to a friend - you want to say what's best and what will work the most. You wouldn't tell someone to buy an Android that requires root and the exclusion of a front facing camera or Netflix because of it. This thread is evidence enough that it's just the wild west with Android and no one knows what the gently caress they want/are doing

eric posted:

at any tablets being competitors to the iPad.

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

When you buy any product from Apple, you also get a free personal setup where they'll open the box with you in store, give you a tour, then do things like set up your email and set you up with an app store account so when you leave the device is personalized for you.

They also have free and paid classes in store where you can meet up with other people of the same skill level and learn more about what you just bought.

All of these things add so much to the actual brand and help the millions of people that AREN'T us who don't read/care about the latest nightly that will fix your keyboard lag but break everything else.


Or you know, stick to the tablet that has a SD card that doesn't sit flush with the device. Yeah, let's support that company - they really seem to give a poo poo.


E: I should clarify that I'm not trolling - I'm simply wondering how seemingly smart people do not get how hacked together these tablets are and how you can have the wool pulled over your eyes for that long. First it was "gingerbread at CES will change everything!" then it was "ICS at CES will change everything!"

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it.

If you bought an iPad from Best Buy but wanted help, you could ask a Specialist for 10-20-50 minutes of his time to ask questions. Where else would you get that service? Live too far away? Call AppleCare.

Toady posted:

For some people, gaining a sensation of mastery over computers substitutes for the feeling of control missing in their lives. Four hours configuring a smartphone OS is considered time well-spent. Any attempt to reduce the need for "tinkering" is a direct threat to the ego and breeds resentment, especially if the attempt is popular among the same kinds of mainstream users who made them feel alienated in the first place: "You can't tell ME what to do, Steve Jobs! *huff*"

Toady posted:

Android's demographic is split between budget buyers and these "freaks". I was explaining to Dr. Video Games why someone like this wouldn't want a tablet to work out of the box or feel magical.

got dat wmd posted:

Actually if you think about it, Android rooting is more akin to gluing gears to a car/bike to make it steampunk.

vvv Why would you need a colour, non eink display to read a book? To see the cover?

Kynetx posted:

I would like you to describe to me a plane of reality where it's possible to live a normal life without acknowledging the existence of iOS.

zer0spunk posted:

Ok, so, any discussion involving android tablets in the android thread must:

1) Mention ipads since they are "current #1 market leader" or whatever that one guy was saying in his complaint post.
1a) Not be allowed to mention any negatives of the ipad when comparing them to android tablets.


Noted.

Why do ipad users come to the android tablet thread again? Other then to shitpost?

We don't care about your ipad, how hard is this to grasp folks. Jesus-tapdancing-christ.

El Duke posted:

And yes, you very clearly care about the iPad.

El Duke posted:

the first post used the typical XDA/DROID DOES marketing reasons that an iPad sucked

El Duke posted:

the first post used the typical XDA/DROID DOES marketing reasons that an iPad sucked; it could have been a comment on a Gizmodo iPad article. The second called Apple fans "faggots." These are bad posts. I don't give a gently caress about what you should or shouldn't mention in a post.

And yes, you very clearly care about the iPad.

Codiusprime posted:

They're just making sure that any misguided soul that wanders into the Android Tablet Megathread knows that all Android tablets are hacked together turds and to just buy an iPad instead. It's a public service they're doing.