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SexyBlindfold posted:eschergirls is mostly about xenomorph poses but the general subject is "bad art in comics re: women". if you literally can't include a female character in a comic without plastering her butt and boobs in every single page that makes you a pretty bad artist, even if the poses are within the range of the humanly possible. it's just a different kind of bad. Thanks for clearing it up servoret posted:"In practice, attempts to sort out good erotica from bad porn inevitably comes down to 'What turns me on is erotic; what turns you on is pornographic.'" I had always been under the impression that pornographic = penetration is shown rather than suggested and there's very little plot, and erotic = no visible penetration and the plot is romance with explicit sex... Or maybe that's the distinction between porn and soft porn?
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d00gZ posted:Thanks, Let's Be Friends Again. I want to join a refined gentleman's club where the members dress up like Ra's al Ghul and Nick Fury.
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More Later posted:Thanks for clearing it up Pornographic is exploitative, unsubtle. If what turns you on makes it porn then just seeing a girl or a guy you like on the street would be pornographic. There's a difference between Manara's erotic comics and your standard generic porno on the internet. There are a ton of novels from renowned authors who describe sex scenes in their books with great detail, but nobody calls them porno writers. That's my opinion though.
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JackDarko posted:Pornographic is exploitative, unsubtle. If what turns you on makes it porn then just seeing a girl or a guy you like on the street would be pornographic. There's a difference between Manara's erotic comics and your standard generic porno on the internet. There are a ton of novels from renowned authors who describe sex scenes in their books with great detail, but nobody calls them porno writers. If you want to see a mainstrem porno comic get Alan Moores Lost Girls (Don't)
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bobkatt013 posted:If you want to see a mainstrem porno comic get Alan Moores Lost Girls (Don't) I've read Lost Girls and I agree that it's not worth it, I think it fails as both porn and something more serious. YMMV though.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I've read Lost Girls and I agree that it's not worth it, I think it fails as both porn and something more serious. YMMV though. I saw the title Extreme Justice mentioned in a blog, and it was described as having the worst art ever. Naturally my curiousity was piqued so I went on GIS to look up some examples. This is what I found:  Blue Beetle is posed like Spiderman. Booster Gold is padded so he doesn't hurt himself I guess. Red headed woman can't decide what direction she is flying in, and Captain Atom...is that really Captain Atom rocking a Glam-Rock band hairstyle?  Blue Beetle's back doesn't look very stable and somewhere in time Booster Gold became X-O Manowars retarded doppleganger.
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Madkal posted:
That's not a superhero battle we're looking at. That's interpretive dance. Also, what is Captain Atom's chest symbol there in the first picture? It looks like a maple leaf, like he's Alpha Flight's Guardian.
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Amusingly enough, Extreme Justice was drawn by Marc Campos who at the time was inked by Ivan Reis. The same Ivan Reis who has found great success and popularity on Green Lantern an Blackest Night. I guess he paid close attention back on EJ and learned exactly what not to do.
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I never understood why SEVERAL artists (including one-time fan favorite Bart Sears) drew Captain Atom with a luxurious mane of long hair, when he was supposed to be an old-fashioned and somewhat square military officer who would have kept it "high and tight." Also, Booster Gold armored up in the mid-'90s after Doomsday shredded his original costume during the Death of Superman arc, and then a generic "cyber-axe" wielding villain cleaved off one of his arms. He was bleeding to death, but Blue Beetle whipped up a suit of life support armor to save his BFF like it was no big thing. As much as I love Beetle, Booster, and Cap and followed them throughout the '80s and into the '90s, even I only made it a few issues into Extreme Justice, so I never read the stories where Booster got his arm back or where the Wonder Twins were introduced into the DCU.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I never understood why SEVERAL artists (including one-time fan favorite Bart Sears) drew Captain Atom with a luxurious mane of long hair, when he was supposed to be an old-fashioned and somewhat square military officer who would have kept it "high and tight." Extreme ones or the ones were one of them was eaten by their dog?
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The one with the killer dog was some recent dreadful Teen Titans run. So I guess they were exxxtreme wonder twins? I have no idea to be honest.
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These were the mid 90's Wonder Twins.
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bobkatt013 posted:Extreme ones or the ones were one of them was eaten by their dog? No no, it was Marvin and Wendy who got eaten by the dog. They were the teenagers who were on the Superfriends before the Wonder Twins showed up were even more stupid and useless
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Out of curiosity does that mean the real Blue Beetle is in DCU continuity again or is he still that crap alien thing? E: Ahh it's an old book. E2: VVVV Pfft Ted is the only BB. EvilMuppet fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jan 28, 2012 |
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EvilMuppet posted:Out of curiosity does that mean the real Blue Beetle is in DCU continuity again or is he still that crap alien thing? It is still the awesome Jamie one
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bobkatt013 posted:It is still the awesome Jamie one Hasn't been awesome for a while now.
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Jamie hasn't been any good since John Rogers left the book. The current BB title should have been the first book canceled.
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Rhyno posted:Jamie hasn't been any good since John Rogers left the book. The current BB title should have been the first book canceled. It is seriously "let's redo the last Blue Beetle series, but surgically remove every bit of charm and individuality."
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Senior Woodchuck posted:It is seriously "let's redo the last Blue Beetle series, but surgically remove every bit of charm and individuality." This is sadly true.
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90's Comics were a loving war crime. Seriously, these people should be arrested and taken to the International Criminal Court to be tried and executed.
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DarkCrawler posted:90's Comics were a loving war crime. Seriously, these people should be arrested and taken to the International Criminal Court to be tried and executed. Even Mark Bagley? bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jan 28, 2012 |
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DarkCrawler posted:90's Comics were a loving war crime. Seriously, these people should be arrested and taken to the International Criminal Court to be tried and executed. Even Mike Allred and Tony Harris?
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Senior Woodchuck posted:It is seriously "let's redo the last Blue Beetle series, but surgically remove every bit of charm and individuality." Soonmot posted:This is sadly true. As someone who stopped reading comics a fair bit ago, but really dug the Reyes Beetle (and loving hated that Ted Kord died), this makes me really really sad.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:It is seriously "let's redo the last Blue Beetle series, but surgically remove every bit of charm and individuality." It's like a bad cover song. The notes are there, they have the right instruments but the singer keeps adding his own stupid poo poo to the lyrics.
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Rhyno posted:It's like a bad cover song. The notes are there, they have the right instruments but the singer keeps adding his own stupid poo poo to the lyrics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJBkgoQNZ1w
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EvilMuppet posted:Wait, they killed Ted? Did he come back? In the new 52 continuity, Ted Kord never existed. Edit: the way I typed that reminded me of the end of Quantum Leap and now I'm double sad.
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EvilMuppet posted:Wait, they killed Ted? Did he come back? It was done by Maxwell Lord 
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Rhyno posted:In the new 52 continuity, Ted Kord never existed. This is like... anti-avatar/post combo.
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Rhyno posted:In the new 52 continuity, Ted Kord never existed. I'm trying to get back into comics but I pretty much hate every single thing I find out DC has changed.
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EvilMuppet posted:I'm trying to get back into comics but I pretty much hate every single thing I find out DC has changed. I jumped long before the reboot, and the vast majority of things I hear they've done after the reboot seems to confirm that it was the right decision.
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bobkatt013 posted:It was done by Maxwell Lord
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mind the walrus posted:I jumped long before the reboot, and the vast majority of things I hear they've done after the reboot seems to confirm that it was the right decision. Despite the hosed up and half-assed nature of the reboot, we did get some really solid books out of it. The Animal Man/Swamp Thing combo fills me witha creeping dread every month and I'm not one to get creeped out by movies/comics/video games. I, Vampire is amazing and even this team up with Batman hasn't diluted what makes the tone of the book. Batman and Batman & Robin are great as is the continuing misadventures of Hal "d-bag" Jordan in Green Lantern. Wonder Woman might be better than Rucka's run on it, it's certainly the first time I've actually given a poo poo about the character. Batwoman continues to be feast for the eyes, although the writing isn't as good as it was previously. Deathstroke, Suicide Squad and Demon Knights are balls to the wall action books that keep a smile a plastered to my face and, finally, Birds of Prey has introduced what may be the best new character of the year in Starling. The rest of the reboot is average, with a few books falling into boring or bad territory, but I think on a whole, the reboot has given us better books. I still miss Power Girl and Stephanie Brown, Blue Beetle and Red Robin, but I'm over that for the msot part. Keep in mind, I also say this as someone who is much more of a Marvel fan than DC.
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Oh don't get me wrong Soonmot I've heard and seen some really good things out of the reboot. Even when DC was on what I felt was a huge decline it was still putting out some very solid stuff in the fringes. It was more of a decision to no longer financially patronize a company that only ever seems to be good in spite of its executive mandates.
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I am taking this to the DC thread because, well this is a thread about artwork and it is derailing into a DC - good or bad thread.
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Alhazred posted:Do DC have grudge against Keith GIffen and J. M. DeMatteis or something? It seems like DC is destroying everything they made. First they raped and killed Sue Dibny, then they made Max Lord into a fullblown villain and had him shot Blue Beetle before they killed of Lord for good measure. They even destroyed Bialya. Yeah the last Ambush Bug series made fun of all that. Further proof they hate him though, the last issue never came out, about a year after that, an did issue did come out about how the final issue disappeared. He did literally make Didio the villain of the DC universe though.
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Meanwhile, back in the 90s...
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On the good art side of things Tom Brevoort has a tumblr and is posting original Marvel stuff. Like this awesome Wally Wood Daredevil piece  and this Kirby Inhumans piece. 
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Unkempt posted:Meanwhile, back in the 90s... If your cover doesn't have the word blood on it at least more than once then it's not a 90's comic book.
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