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WithoutTheFezOn posted:^^ Match won't work with Classics. This doesn't make sense. How do I get songs from my computer to the iPod/Phone if it isn't in the itunes library? You can't drag and drop songs to the iPhone.
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Packard Goose posted:This doesn't make sense. How do I get songs from my computer to the iPod/Phone if it isn't in the itunes library? You can't drag and drop songs to the iPhone.  iPhone or iPod classic?Here are the steps you should follow in your case. 1. Backup your media to your external drive. 2. Get iTunes. 3. In iTunes, file>add folder to library. Add the perfected folder. 4. Check to make sure the metadata is to your liking. 5. Sync your iPod with that iTunes. Ensure that you uncheck "sync automatically" and even "open iTunes when plugged in" in the syncing menu. This gives you the control you want. 6. Enjoy your music. I don't understand your concern. iTunes will only change file names if you tell it to, and why do you care about file names at all? The whole idea is to let iTunes organize the whole mess and put it on your devices in a pleasing manner. I haven't looked at my music folder with ~160gb in it in years, iTunes has it covered.
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I did this and loving iTunes *quadrupled* my songs! It took each song and gave me 3 additional copies of it. God, I'm just going to throw my netbook against a wall and crush my MP3 players under my boot. Even WMP is duplicating songs for some reason. I have no idea why! I *think* iTunes might be throwing poo poo off my purchased items list into my library, but I'm not telling it to. A possible way I can remedy this is by adding one folder of music at a time, seeing if iTunes duplicates it and deleting those duplicates, then syncing that poo poo. Jesus this is beyond frustrating. I loathe to think of what will happen when I get home to my main desktop and have to do all this poo poo again.
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:^^ Match won't work with Classics. If Packard's goal was to move songs from his iPod to his/her iTunes on a different computer in an effort to keep them synced, Match would be a better way to get the music between computers, even discounting the iOS benefits of Match. Packard, what is your desired goal? Are you trying to be able to add music from multiple machines to your iPod? Keep all your music in sync? What? The best way to do things differs based on what you're trying to do.
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Packard Goose posted:I did this and loving iTunes *quadrupled* my songs! It took each song and gave me 3 additional copies of it. God, I'm just going to throw my netbook against a wall and crush my MP3 players under my boot. Even WMP is duplicating songs for some reason. I have no idea why!
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fordan posted:If Packard's goal was to move songs from his iPod to his/her iTunes on a different computer in an effort to keep them synced, Match would be a better way to get the music between computers, even discounting the iOS benefits of Match. Also going with the "you probably have .m3u files in those folders" for the duplication problem.
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My goal is to buy the iPod classic and put all the songs I have with me, here in Afghanistan, onto it. Then, when I get back home I want to move my 'home' computer music collection onto it without having my 'home' computer iTunes wipe the iPod. Ultimately it would be nice if I could bounce my iPod between my home computer and netbook while on the move and not have to resync everything because one iTunes library never matches the other for whatever reason. When I get home, I can just plug my iPod in and say "Ok, move these song onto here without deleting everything already on it." It'd also be nice to move whats on the iPod onto my home computer iTunes. How do I determine if I have .m3u files in my music collection? Just search for .m3u and delete them? lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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Packard Goose posted:How do I determine if I have .m3u files in my music collection? Just search for .m3u and delete them? And after your explanation, I agree it probably would be a good idea for you to learn what iTunes Match does. There are other ways to do what you want, but Match is an easy, fairly elegant solution (provided you have Internet bandwidth available at key times).
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:Yeah, either delete them or change the extension. How do I find them? I'm not seeing any files with .m3u.
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Packard Goose posted:How do I find them? I'm not seeing any files with .m3u. Might want to search for *.pls too, like hirvox mentioned.
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:Windows? Open explorer, go to the root folder of your music, and in the search bar enter *.m3u No results were returned. I guess I don't have any?
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No results were returned. I guess I don't have any. This just isn't going to work. Even with metadata for every single song, 80% of my Megadeth albums are listed as 'Unknown Album'. When I try and 'Get track info' for them iTunes tells me it can't because it wasn't imported using iTunes, even though I added the Megadeth folder to iTunes using iTunes. I searched my music root folder for anything ending in .m3u or .pls and nothing came up, yet I still get duplicate, triplicate, and quadruple songs. Why is it that when I select 'Display Duplicates' it will display both the duplicate and the original song? If I try and delete all ~880 duplicate songs I end up deleting everything. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater and all. I'm also floored that over 100 songs are listed as 'Unknown Album' even though WMP displays them with the appropriate album information. lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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'Get track names' only works when you ripped the disc using iTunes. If you have so many duplicates you should just select everything in iTunes and delete them and then add your stuff again. Tell it to 'Keep files' and it won't delete the files from your drive, just from the iTunes library. Regarding WMP - doesn't it also use a big database where it writes the song info and art. If you've used WMP until now it makes sense for it to have all the info. If you go to some files properties does it show the info there? Sprat Sandwich fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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Sprat Sandwich posted:'Get track names' only works when you ripped the disc using iTunes. I think it does. I know that when looking in my music folder it lists album, artist, song title, even year which is why I'm so confused as to why itunes says over 100 songs are 'unknown album.' I guess I can try re-adding everything again, but if I do that I'll have to delete something like 440 duplicate songs because I can't seem to find where I have a playlist or whatever causing duplicates. Is it a good idea to set iTunes to convert everything to AAC or whatever as well?
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Could a problem with what version ID3 tag some songs have be causing all the Unknowns? I'm at work so unfortunately I can't research it myself.
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Packard Goose posted:I think it does. I know that when looking in my music folder it lists album, artist, song title, even year which is why I'm so confused as to why itunes says over 100 songs are 'unknown album.' Wow you're having a terrible iTunes experience. I don't know what the benefit of converting to AAC is.
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I have a question which somebody here probably has an answer for: I have a 'best of' playlist on my Mac that is just for songs I've rated 4 or 5 stars (I probably need to make more specific playlists, but anyway.) Now, on the Mac that playlist includes all songs from albums I've rated 4 or 5 as a whole, while on my iPhone only specific tracks rated 4 or 5 show up. Can I change a setting in my Smart Playlist to avoid having all the tracks on rated albums show up? Should I just avoid rating albums and rate individual songs instead? E.g. In this screenshot, only '4 Years' and 'Late Nights' show up on the iPhone playlist while they all show up on the Mac http://i.imgur.com/6Fb3m.png These are my Smart Playlist settings. http://i.imgur.com/G3LuA.png
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tuyop posted:Wow you're having a terrible iTunes experience. Isn't the convert option for transferring stuff to an iPhone/iPod? I think it keeps the stuff on your computer intact but puts a lower bitrate AAC file on the device to save space.
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Packard Goose: Do you have any shortcuts/symlinks in your MP3 library? (I could imagine people, or certain music cataloging apps, doing this to get certain albums or artists to be accessible in different places - ie. genre folders) If so, iTunes may be following them during the import process, resulting in weird duplication issues. Edit: For a quick rundown on how iTunes (should) work for you: Setting up your iTunes library Here I'm assuming you have your MP3 files organized into a single folder (and subfolders) somewhere, perhaps like: Music/Artist 1/Album 1/ Music/Artist 1/Album 2/ Music/Artist 2/Album 1/ Et cetera. I'm also assuming they've all got proper ID3 tags (you were having some issues; iTunes *should* support pretty much any version ID3 tag so long as it's properly formatted, but it tends to work best with v2.2 or v2.3). I'm also assuming there are no shortcuts/symlinks/aliases in your Music folder (ie. Music/Genres/Punk/Artist 1/). Back up your "Music" folder just in case some stupid poo poo happens. (Always assume stupid poo poo will happen.) We'll want to start with a fresh iTunes library for this, so (assuming there's nothing in your old one you want to keep, which for you right now should be the case) simply delete the iTunes folder you have now. I don't know where it is on Windows but I'll assume you can find it. Now launch iTunes. It'll probably complain to you that it couldn't find the library. From that prompt, create a new one. iTunes should open with a shiny new library ready for you to dump your music in. Adding your music You have two options here: You can have iTunes manage your music files for you (as the thread title recommends) or you can manage it manually. Option A: Let iTunes manage your music files This is what iTunes does by default. If you do this, iTunes will create its own folder structure inside your iTunes library folder, and it will copy any imported files into that structure. This folder structure is fairly straightforward (Music/Artist Name/Album Name/) so if you're not super-anal about things, it'll often suffice even for people who want/need to use the filesystem to access their music from time to time (but in general, why would you want to? The iTunes database is so much more convenient and powerful than the filesystem). This is the best way to go, because it minimizes the chances of the iTunes database losing track of your poo poo. Updating ID3 tag data in iTunes will result in iTunes re-organizing the files appropriately. However, you can't go moving or renaming your files via the filesystem; you must let iTunes take over. Also note that to add files to iTunes after your initial import you'll have to import the new files the same way, or drop them in the "Automatically add to iTunes" folder in your library. iTunes will not notice new music just because you use the filesystem to drop them in the "right" place in the iTunes Library. Note that this method copies files on import. If you choose to go 100% managed-by-iTunes, you can delete your previous hand-made Music folder once you've confirmed the import was successful. Option B: Tell iTunes to keep its hands off! You can add your music to iTunes without letting iTunes mess with your poo poo, if you so desire. To enable this (I have a Mac, so the settings might be a bit different for you) go to the "Advanced" tab of the preferences and uncheck "Keep iTunes Media folder organized" and "Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library" before you start your import. Using this method will leave your files where they are. They shouldn't ever get moved or renamed by iTunes. iTunes will simply scan them on import to add their info to its database. However, if you move or rename them in your filesystem (which would be a common thing to do since you're using your filesystem to manage your music!) you run the risk of having iTunes lose track files because they're no longer where they were on import. iTunes does not make any attempt at re-synchronizing to changes in your filesystem (like, say, re-scanning your music folder when you put new stuff in). Note: I don't know how bad this situation gets because I don't use this method, but there's a reason this thread doesn't recommend it; iTunes was never really meant to work this way, and its implementation is half-assed. Adding your music Once you've decided which method you want to use (and changed your settings as necessary), you can import your music. Drag and drop your "Music" folder into the iTunes window (or File > Add to Library...). It should scan the folder and subfolders, copy your files into the Library (if you chose that option), and add all the ID3 information to the database (yes, without loving with your ID3 info). Once it's done, you should have a list of all your music, and no duplicates. If anyone sees anything I've hosed up in my instructions, let me know. Particularly with Windows-related issues I wouldn't know about. Also, I can't say poo poo about sharing an iPod among multiple iTunes libraries. Choadmaster fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jan 31, 2012 |
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withak posted:Isn't the convert option for transferring stuff to an iPhone/iPod? I think it keeps the stuff on your computer intact but puts a lower bitrate AAC file on the device to save space. Converting to AAC will not help with metadata issues; the new track's metadata will be the same as the original track's.
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Guys, I have Windows 7 and iTunes, the latest. What reasons could lead to iTunes constantly memory leaking all over the place and eventually running at nearly 1 GB of processing power and taking up 1 GB of my ram? What the fuuuuuuck. I've hated iTunes for a while, but I keep it because I have it and smart lists so tightly woven into my iPhone. I have a huge library, but this is ridiculous. It didn't used to get this bad. I haven't added anything to it. I added Rinse at one point, but I took it off. This computer has plenty enough power to not choke on a ton of video editing, but iTunes usually ends up taking up as much processing power as a drat video game. And it's only playing mp3s.
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withak posted:Isn't the convert option for transferring stuff to an iPhone/iPod? I think it keeps the stuff on your computer intact but puts a lower bitrate AAC file on the device to save space. I tried it once on a friend's ipod nano because he was out of space, the AAC files were like 10% larger than his original MP3s. It may be because he had super low-quality mp3s on there and iTunes somehow upscaled them, but converting to AAC didn't seem to save him any space at all.
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I am letting iTunes manage my music now. However, prior to letting them do that I didn't go through and check the "part of a compilation" check on the items that I needed to (mixtapes and all). If I go back through and click on these will iTunes automatically update their folder? Or am I hosed?
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Regnevelc posted:I am letting iTunes manage my music now. However, prior to letting them do that I didn't go through and check the "part of a compilation" check on the items that I needed to (mixtapes and all). If I go back through and click on these will iTunes automatically update their folder? Or am I hosed? You'll be just fine, once you do so iTunes will move every album you checked into the 'Compilations' folder automatically.
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Regnevelc posted:I am letting iTunes manage my music now. However, prior to letting them do that I didn't go through and check the "part of a compilation" check on the items that I needed to (mixtapes and all). If I go back through and click on these will iTunes automatically update their folder? Or am I hosed? It will automatically do that. Same if you change the artist of a song, or the album that song is on. But in the case of Compilations, it takes them out of the artist folder, puts them in a "Compilations" folder, and that folder is just full of albums. Good if that mixtape if full of artists that you don't normally have. So if it's 22 artists on one CD and that's all you have by each of those artists, they don't get put into all these individual artist folders, with each having the same album name in each. You just have the one album folder in the Compilations folder.
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89 posted:Guys, I have Windows 7 and iTunes, the latest. All I can say is that I have Windows 7 and the latest iTunes and I've never seen it use up 1 GB memory. How often do you restart it? How long does it take after restart before using 1GB again? How big is your library? How much memory do you have? What is 1 GB of processing power anyway?
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DarkJC posted:All I can say is that I have Windows 7 and the latest iTunes and I've never seen it use up 1 GB memory. How often do you restart it? How long does it take after restart before using 1GB again? How big is your library? How much memory do you have? What is 1 GB of processing power anyway? I've also found that opening the store doubles the memory usage (which makes sense because it starts some Webkit browser thing) but doesn't release it after after you've done your stuff because you can't (I think) close the store browser.
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tuyop posted:Wow you're having a terrible iTunes experience. I really am! I made one last effort to save iTunes because I really want to use it and have a flashy iPod classic, but it just isn't meant to be. I did a complete uninstall of iTunes and used Revo UnInstaller Pro to delete every trace of iTunes on my computer. Reinstalled iTunes and put the iTunes Media folder into my H:/Music folder (I keep my music on an external harddrive because my netbook has little space.) I told iTunes to look for music and import it, and it did, but it did a half-assed job. Some albums it would only import a few songs and leave the rest, and it lumped about 2/3s of my songs under 'Unknown Album', even though Windows Media Player will display them appropriately with their correct album art. This part is the most annoying, because I used WMPs 'find album info' feature where it uses a metadata service to give it accurate ID3 info. What the gently caress is iTunes problem? How does iTunes know where to look for your music? It just says 'will search your Home folder', but I don't have a Home folder. I can't seem to tell iTunes where all my songs are so it can import them all from H:/Music. So much for the slogan 'It just works.'  How will I be able to keep all the songs on my iPod that is synced to my netbook itunes when I get home? I'm going to use my PC as the main iTunes library, but if I try and sync it it will clear the iPod. Does iTunes have a function where I can tell it to retrieve song data from the internet like WMP does? If I have to wait for it to find all the data for the 120+ songs it says is unknown I'll do it, but I want to be sure before I go through this mess again. Does Apple just want me to buy an overpriced $2k MacBook that will be obsolete in 6 months just to use iTunes/iPods? lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Packard Goose posted:How does iTunes know where to look for your music? Packard Goose posted:How will I be able to keep all the songs on my iPod that is synced to my netbook itunes when I get home? I'm going to use my PC as the main iTunes library, but if I try and sync it it will clear the iPod. Match was supposed to address this, but I haven't subscribed so I wouldn't know. I use TuneUp. As for how to be able to keep songs on your iPod, use Sharepod. It can be used to flat out replace iTunes, if you were so inclined. My suggestion is to use Sharepod to pull music off of it, then clean it all with TuneUp/Match, then put it back on your iPod that's now attached to your home PC.
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Mooktastical posted:File->Add Folder to Library File-> Add folder to library isn't letting iTunes manage my poo poo for me. As for all that 3rd party software, what? That doesn't make sense. What if I just installed iTunes onto the external harddrive inside the goddamn music folder? Or just put it on the external HDD where it will literally only look there for all the music?
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Packard Goose posted:File-> Add folder to library isn't letting iTunes manage my poo poo for me. Packard Goose posted:As for all that 3rd party software, what? That doesn't make sense. Packard Goose posted:What if I just installed iTunes onto the external harddrive inside the goddamn music folder? Or just put it on the external HDD where it will literally only look there for all the music? It still won't look anywhere but your default folders like 'My Music' unless you specifically tell it to.
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Mooktastical posted:Edit->Preferences->Check boxes 'Keep iTunes Media Folder Organized' and 'Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library', then set the folder wherever you want your media library to be. Ha, Sharepod looks like an ideal program. Like what iTunes should have been! With this, I could just buy MP3s off Amazon and use Sharepod to move them onto my iPod couldn't I? Does it really work that easily?
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Packard Goose posted:Ha, Sharepod looks like an ideal program. Like what iTunes should have been! With this, I could just buy MP3s off Amazon and use Sharepod to move them onto my iPod couldn't I? Does it really work that easily? No, I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. Sharepod is for copying from iPod to PC, not the other way around. I know there have been third party programs for copying music to classic-style iPods in the past, but I have no idea if any of them still work or even exist these days.
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Diabolik900 posted:No, I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. Sharepod is for copying from iPod to PC, not the other way around. The website says Sharepod Adds & Removes files from your iPod, so it should work just like WMP?
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Packard Goose posted:The website says Sharepod Adds & Removes files from your iPod, so it should work just like WMP? Yes. Foobar does the same thing, iirc. Check here for more info.
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Packard Goose posted:How does iTunes know where to look for your music? It just says 'will search your Home folder', but I don't have a Home folder. I can't seem to tell iTunes where all my songs are so it can import them all from H:/Music. So much for the slogan 'It just works.' Packard Goose posted:File-> Add folder to library isn't letting iTunes manage my poo poo for me. Are you loving kidding me? The last piece of advice I'm going to give you (and I don't know why I'm going to waste my time with it) is to double-check that WMP actually wrote the Artist/Album/etc. info to your MP3 files' ID3 tags. WMP does "lazy" updating - when you download all that track info, WMP updates its internal database but doesn't immediately rewrite the ID3 tags in a misguided effort to not thrash the poo poo out of your hard drive. It's supposed to do it a bit at a time over time, but this can be buggy and sometimes results in some or all ID3 tags never getting written properly. Once you've confirmed the ID3 tags are incorrect with some other 3rd part software, you can open WMP and go to Tools->Process Media Information Now to force it to write the ID3 tags immediately, but there's always a chance it'll freeze or crash on you if it's already decided to get buggy on you for some reason (maybe it hit a malformed ID3 tag or something).
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Choadmaster posted:Are you loving kidding me? Please understand my frustration because nothing is loving working. I tried what you said and it only imported what it wanted to. I File -> Add folder'd my *entire* H:/Music folder and it only imported what it wanted to, and 2/3s of those songs were 'unkown album.' If I had an album called "Braying of New Zealand Sheep", it would move 3 songs but throw the other 8 into the UNKOWN ALBUM pile. If I'm reading the CNet guide on how to update ID3 tags in iTunes, I'm going to need to hand jam all that data myself one track at a time. On over 200 songs. If someone would suffer this idiot question I would like to ask it! If, after I import my songs into the iTunes library, those files are copied, correct? Meaning that it took my 6GB of music and turned it into 12GB of music. This means I could delete my H:/Music folder because now all those songs have been successfully copied into my iTunes Media folder. Is this correct? iTunes. lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Feb 2, 2012 |
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Packard Goose posted:If someone would suffer this idiot question I would like to ask it! If, after I import my songs into the iTunes library, those files are copied, correct? Meaning that it took my 6GB of music and turned it into 12GB of music. This means I could delete my H:/Music folder because now all those songs have been successfully copied into my iTunes Media folder. Is this correct? IF the folder you have listed as "iTunes media folder" is different than H:\Music AND "copy files to the iTunes media folder when adding to library" was checked before you imported, then yes it made a copy. Easy enough to check with Explorer. Oddly, I can't recall ever hearing of iTunes failing to import songs. Are you sure they're in .mp3 or .mp4 format, and not .wma, .flac, or something like that? Also a good free program for displaying / editing tags is MediaMonkey. Will let you do whole albums at a time, can search Amazon for info / art, etc.
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Packard Goose posted:Please understand my frustration Packard Goose posted:nothing is loving working. I tried what you said and it only imported what it wanted to. I File -> Add folder'd my *entire* H:/Music folder and it only imported what it wanted to, and 2/3s of those songs were 'unkown album.' If I had an album called "Braying of New Zealand Sheep", it would move 3 songs but throw the other 8 into the UNKOWN ALBUM pile. Oh, and are you still having the problem with duplicates? If so, have you verified that your music folders only have music files in them, not playlist or shortcuts?
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