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Captain Oblivious: Oct 12, 2007; I'm not like other posters

Wili posted:

I see it coming into play at the very endgame. Team Evil has been defeated at Kragoor's Gate, Redcloack has been killed by a not so controlled Xykon, and the OotS pursue the lich into his last stronghold.

Lots of things happened on this strip. Redcloack is showing some smarts and guts by turning the conversation on Xykon so the he is the one that ends having to explain himself. And what of Jiryx? Is perfectly reasonable that he'll want to kill a demon roach, but could it be indication that he is actually evil? Or at least, evil in a way that Redcloack wouldn't aprove of? I suspect that his respect toward his "Supreme Leader" was only an act until they finally left.

I think stamping on the roach is nothing more than a joke about "And now I can finally get rid of this annoying little peanut gallery".

Alchenar posted:

We'll never see that stronghold again. It's a plot device that exists solely to wrap up Redcloak's deception over where the Phylactery actually is.

That and to poke fun at how OP casters are.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 16:29

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# ? Apr 18, 2024 21:46

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Wili posted:

Lots of things happened on this strip. Redcloack is showing some smarts and guts by turning the conversation on Xykon so the he is the one that ends having to explain himself. And what of Jiryx? Is perfectly reasonable that he'll want to kill a demon roach, but could it be indication that he is actually evil? Or at least, evil in a way that Redcloack wouldn't aprove of? I suspect that his respect toward his "Supreme Leader" was only an act until they finally left.

I more see it as an indicator that Jirix has no loyalty or love for Xykon and his crowd, and that he (and Redcloak) sees this as the Goblins finally being free to do their own thing for a while in their own city.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 16:46

Cabbit: Jul 19, 2001; _{Is that everything you have?}

Noia posted:

I more see it as an indicator that Jirix has no loyalty or love for Xykon and his crowd, and that he (and Redcloak) sees this as the Goblins finally being free to do their own thing for a while in their own city.

This is precisely the impression I got.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 16:47

Soylentbits: Apr 2, 2007; im worried that theyre setting her up to be jotaros future wife or something.

Cabbit posted:

This is precisely the impression I got.

I'm still not 100% sure that Jirix isn't going to try to make a power play at one point. Hobgoblins and Goblins don't like each other and Redcloak has ordered the deaths of hundreds of them. Redcloak might by Jirix's Xykon.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:07

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

Captain Oblivious posted:

I think stamping on the roach is nothing more than a joke about "And now I can finally get rid of this annoying little peanut gallery".

There's a Family Guy scene where the Barbershop Quartet appear and half a second in to a song Stewie shoots them all, turns to the screen and says 'There. They're not coming back."

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:10

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Soylentbits posted:

I'm still not 100% sure that Jirix isn't going to try to make a power play at one point. Hobgoblins and Goblins don't like each other and Redcloak has ordered the deaths of hundreds of them. Redcloak might by Jirix's Xykon.

Of all the goblins to dislike, Redcloak seems like just about the least logical choice. He's an agent of their shared deity, he's shown his good intentions by establishing a goblin nation in the first place, and while he's very plancentric, he no longer goes out of his way to inconvenience hobgoblins. (Quite the opposite, in fact.)

Maybe he'd want a coup for the Mantle of the Dark One, but I kind of doubt it.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:21

Mystic Mongol: Jan 5, 2007; Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.; College Slice

Alchenar posted:

There's a Family Guy scene where the Barbershop Quartet appear and half a second in to a song Stewie shoots them all, turns to the screen and says 'There. They're not coming back."

Except for all the ones that went with Redcloak and Xykon on their magical journey!

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:26

Pope Guilty: Nov 6, 2006; The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Colon V posted:

Of all the goblins to dislike, Redcloak seems like just about the least logical choice. He's an agent of their shared deity, he's shown his good intentions by establishing a goblin nation in the first place, and while he's very plancentric, he no longer goes out of his way to inconvenience hobgoblins. (Quite the opposite, in fact.)

Maybe he'd want a coup for the Mantle of the Dark One, but I kind of doubt it.

Also he's planning on unmaking reality and killing everybody. He's a suicide bomber writ large.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:28

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

Colon V posted:

Of all the goblins to dislike, Redcloak seems like just about the least logical choice. He's an agent of their shared deity, he's shown his good intentions by establishing a goblin nation in the first place, and while he's very plancentric, he no longer goes out of his way to inconvenience hobgoblins. (Quite the opposite, in fact.)

Maybe he'd want a coup for the Mantle of the Dark One, but I kind of doubt it.

Jirix has also met The Dark One so he literally knows that the God of his species has A Plan that Redcloak is supposed to carry out.

There is no logical reason why he'd ever turn on Redcloak.

Also it looks like Rich has dropped the whole 'Goblins hate Hobgoblins' thing which was only really referred to right as the story was starting to expand from a basic 'DnD party on a dungeon crawl'.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:45

LightWarden: Mar 18, 2007; Lander county's safe as heaven,
despite all the strife and boilin',
Tin Star,
Oh how she's an icon of the eastern west,
But now the time has come to end our song,
of the Tin Star, the Tin Star!

He dropped that part of Redcloak's characterization. Specifically, he dropped a boulder on it.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 17:52

RickoniX: Dec 4, 2005; A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON

Wili posted:

I see it coming into play at the very endgame. Team Evil has been defeated at Kragoor's Gate, Redcloack has been killed by a not so controlled Xykon, and the OotS pursue the lich into his last stronghold.

Redcloak is going to get eaten by the monster in the dark, it's too big of a Chekhov's gun at this point

# ? Feb 6, 2012 18:16

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RickoniX posted:

Redcloak is going to get eaten by the monster in the dark, it's too big of a Chekhov's gun at this point

With luck, it will either happen very near, or AS the MitD's Heel Face Turn thanks to ~~Mr. Stiffly~~ O-Chul's influence.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 18:39

CapnAndy: Feb 27, 2004; Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Pope Guilty posted:

Also he's planning on unmaking reality and killing everybody. He's a suicide bomber writ large.

No he's not, that's Plan B. Plan A is "The Dark One gets some negotiating clout and uses it to get a level playing field for the goblin race", Plan B is "we fail, the Snarl destroys reality, and this time The Dark One has a hand in creation, so the goblin race gets a level playing field from the start".

# ? Feb 6, 2012 18:49

RickoniX: Dec 4, 2005; A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON

Colon V posted:

With luck, it will either happen very near, or AS the MitD's Heel Face Turn thanks to ~~Mr. Stiffly~~ O-Chul's influence.

sod spoilers

Xykon put a magical suggestion on the monster in the dark to eat Redcloak and spit out his amulet if Redcloak ever turned on him

# ? Feb 6, 2012 19:02

Yeah Man: Oct 9, 2011; And if you had, you know, a huge killer robot at your command, yeah, that would just clutter things up; and a lesser person might want that kind of overwhelming force on their side, but you know - where's the challenge in that?

RickoniX posted:

sod spoilers

Xykon put a magical suggestion on the monster in the dark to eat Redcloak and spit out his amulet if Redcloak ever turned on him

Wait, what? I don't remember that part.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 19:31

Iny: Jan 11, 2012

Yeah Man posted:

Wait, what? I don't remember that part.

It's in Start of Darkness.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 19:34

Adder Moray: Nov 18, 2010

Noia posted:

I more see it as an indicator that Jirix has no loyalty or love for Xykon and his crowd, and that he (and Redcloak) sees this as the Goblins finally being free to do their own thing for a while in their own city.

Am I the only one who thinks he did it "Because it's a cockroach."

# ? Feb 6, 2012 19:42

The Rooster: Jul 25, 2004; If you've got white people problems I feel bad for you son
I've got 99 problems but being socially privileged ain't one

RickoniX posted:

sod spoilers

Xykon put a magical suggestion on the monster in the dark to eat Redcloak and spit out his amulet if Redcloak ever turned on him

Remind me on how Charm Monster works. Wouldn't this depend on the MiTD knowing that Redcloak betrays Xykon, which seems unreliable?

Also, 100% sure that MiTD spent some of his infancy in the Astral plane, just because.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 19:58

ZeeToo: Feb 20, 2008; I'm a kitty!

Yeah Man posted:

Wait, what? I don't remember that part.

I had to go look it up myself. Page 96.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 20:28

jng2058: Jul 17, 2010; We have the tools, we have the talent!

Something to think about here is the fact that traditionally, hobgoblins intimidate and enslave regular goblins. Jirix's heel turn just now could be about him deciding to "return to the natural order."

In other words, we might be about to see Gobbotopia get renamed Hobgobbotopia, with the goblins as Helots to the hobgoblin Spartans.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 22:02

Amused Frog: Sep 8, 2006; Waah no fair my thread!

Adder Moray posted:

Am I the only one who thinks he did it "Because it's a cockroach."

Nope.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 22:31

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

What if its worse than that and he's lawful good. We've never seen jirix do anything evil, have we?

# ? Feb 6, 2012 23:06

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

All Goblins are evil in 3.5, right? Either way I doubt Jirix is Good, though he's probably Lawful.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 23:23

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Adder Moray posted:

Am I the only one who thinks he did it "Because it's a cockroach."

I'd be more inclined to believe this if his expression had been an indifferent one, rather than an angry one.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 23:32

Coach Sport: Jul 3, 2003; And we care about this shitty poster...why?

Well, the roaches are all huge fans of Xykon, and Jirix probably doesn't like Xykon very much since he has a tendency to indiscriminately murder people around him on a whim and was just strangling him a few moments earlier. So, now that Xykon's left the city, Jirix is free to squash all of Xykon's toadies and actually be in charge of things instead of just being a figurehead in incredible danger of being murdered.

Also, what's the deal with the roaches, anyways? Are they just tagging along because they're big fans of evil, or are they some kind of evil familiars somebody summoned?

# ? Feb 6, 2012 23:37

jng2058: Jul 17, 2010; We have the tools, we have the talent!

Coach Sport posted:

Also, what's the deal with the roaches, anyways? Are they just tagging along because they're big fans of evil, or are they some kind of evil familiars somebody summoned?

It's from Start of Darkness: In SoD, Team Evil's first HQ was an evil diner run by a succubus. Her cook used demonic spices through a Gate spell, and the Demon Cockroaches followed the smell of the cooking through the Gate. After Xykon destroys the place, the Roaches just start following him and Redcloak around for lack of anywhere better to go.

# ? Feb 6, 2012 23:40

sansuki: May 17, 2003

Adder Moray posted:

Am I the only one who thinks he did it "Because it's a cockroach."

Jirex also stepped on it when it looked at him and reminded him that the city was a "distraction".

# ? Feb 6, 2012 23:41

DontMockMySmock: Aug 9, 2008; I got this title for the dumbest fucking possible take on sea shanties. Specifically, I derailed the meme thread because sailors in the 18th century weren't woke enough for me, and you shouldn't sing sea shanties. In fact, don't have any fun ever.

Noia posted:

I'd be more inclined to believe this if his expression had been an indifferent one, rather than an angry one.

Spoken like someone who's never experienced an infestation. Anger is a perfectly natural emotion when stomping a cockroach just because it's a cockroach.

edit: V I agree V

DontMockMySmock fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Feb 7, 2012

# ? Feb 7, 2012 00:31

HKR: Jan 13, 2006; there is no universe where duke nukem would not be a trans ally

I cannot believe people are taking the roach killing as anything more meaningful then a last panel gag.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 00:33

Jefepato: Mar 11, 2009; This?! This is a glorious dance! That has been passed down! In my family for generations!

Cliff Racer posted:

All Goblins are evil in 3.5, right? Either way I doubt Jirix is Good, though he's probably Lawful.

Goblins are "Usually neutral evil," meaning a majority of them are. Hobgoblins, though, are usually lawful evil. They do not have to stick to these alignments.

We don't really know if that's the case in the OotS-verse. Especially since I definitely don't trust the Dark One's claims about their origins. I'm sure Burlew would buck the Monster Manual on this if it fit the story he wanted.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 00:45

Message: Jul 17, 2007; I have the best taste in this whole damn place

DontMockMySmock posted:

Spoken like someone who's never experienced an infestation. Anger is a perfectly natural emotion when stomping a cockroach just because it's a cockroach.

Haha, fair point :P

# ? Feb 7, 2012 01:12

rocketrobot: Jul 11, 2003

Noia posted:

:P

Please don't do that.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 01:32

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Jefepato posted:

Goblins are "Usually neutral evil," meaning a majority of them are. Hobgoblins, though, are usually lawful evil. They do not have to stick to these alignments.

We don't really know if that's the case in the OotS-verse. Especially since I definitely don't trust the Dark One's claims about their origins. I'm sure Burlew would buck the Monster Manual on this if it fit the story he wanted.

We already have Goblins and Hobgoblins pretty different from straight Monster Manual ones. Redcloak would be ancient or dead of old age and Belkar's size, for instance, if we were using generic Goblins.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 02:26

RickoniX: Dec 4, 2005; A human or elf?

NO NOT A BADGER YOU GOON

Zore posted:

We already have Goblins and Hobgoblins pretty different from straight Monster Manual ones. Redcloak would be ancient or dead of old age and Belkar's size, for instance, if we were using generic Goblins.

His cloak gives him a super long lifespan, his brother was an old man at the end of start of darkness

# ? Feb 7, 2012 02:28

CapnAndy: Feb 27, 2004; Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

I dunno when exactly it happened, but the kickstarter broke $500k.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 03:14

Soylentbits: Apr 2, 2007; im worried that theyre setting her up to be jotaros future wife or something.

I'm hoping for a deck of cards with his next mystery prize. Or that he'll just put some board games up with his kickstarter prizes.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 04:04

The Werle: Aug 8, 2005; Fireworks for Christmas is absolutely American

CapnAndy posted:

I dunno when exactly it happened, but the kickstarter broke $500k.

I checked it around 7PM tonight and it was at 498k, so definitely tonight.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 04:09

Nilbop: Jun 5, 2004; Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...

I'm only following this on a tertiary level but what's the purpose of this kickstarter? To get his books back in print and offer the fans a little something-something?

# ? Feb 7, 2012 04:11

Ponsonby Britt: Mar 13, 2006; I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

Noia posted:

I more see it as an indicator that Jirix has no loyalty or love for Xykon and his crowd, and that he (and Redcloak) sees this as the Goblins finally being free to do their own thing for a while in their own city.

More than a while, even - Redcloak says he'll contact Jirix "when we've established control of Girard's Gate", which is never. Either the Dark One will control it, or the world will unravel.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 04:26

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# ? Apr 18, 2024 21:46

Sefer: Sep 2, 2006; Not supposed to be here today

Nilbop posted:

I'm only following this on a tertiary level but what's the purpose of this kickstarter? To get his books back in print and offer the fans a little something-something?

Exactly that. The original purpose was to get War and XPs back in print, fueled by donations that are basically preorders. It's gone a bit beyond that now.

# ? Feb 7, 2012 04:28

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