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Tae posted:You know that Prince Fielder is there, right? On the "for player" part, which doesn't make any sense for a "bargain" list anyway
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Pvt. Public posted:Well that is certainly a thing. Jesus gently caress, Heyman. Kill yourself. I hope they revisit it in 10 or so years, when the interviewees will all be retired or out of sports media and won't give a poo poo anymore, the kind of attitude that made their SNL book awesome.
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Hey, you might say the phrase they used for Lin is just an expression. Could happen to anyone, right? Or...maybe this is just what they do.
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Oh and the parts of the ESPN book about the NHL are a must-read for anyone who wonders why the NHL went to OLN/Versus/NBC Sports
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Tae posted:Hey, you might say the phrase they used for Lin is just an expression. Could happen to anyone, right? oh for gods sakes 
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Tae posted:Hey, you might say the phrase they used for Lin is just an expression. Could happen to anyone, right? Obviously a photoshop, mentions a Western Conference playoff game and the NBA scorebar has East and West teams playing each other
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Heaf posted:Obviously a photoshop, mentions a Western Conference playoff game and the NBA scorebar has East and West teams playing each other Those are games from yesterday.
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Nut Bunnies posted:Jon Heyman made a "best signings of the offseason" list. It's worse than I could have ever imagined. I completely honestly did not know Brad Lidge had signed a contract with anyone.
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Tae posted:Hey, you might say the phrase they used for Lin is just an expression. Could happen to anyone, right? I'm getting the feeling this ESPNM headline guy is trying to be the NHL.com pun guy, but failing quite miserably.
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Tae posted:Those are games from yesterday. Right, and the headline is about a game that happened like five years ago.
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MorningView posted:Right, and the headline is about a game that happened like five years ago. So is the photo: there's a Playoffs logo on the court. It's from 2007.
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If it's a fake, I've been wooshed since that was posted in another thread here.
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Tae posted:If it's a fake, I've been wooshed since that was posted in another thread here. I have a friend who works at ESPN.com who referenced the Dirk headline today in terms of "it happened again" with the Lin headline, so I don't think it's a fake.
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OrangeKing posted:I have a friend who works at ESPN.com who referenced the Dirk headline today in terms of "it happened again" with the Lin headline, so I don't think it's a fake. It probably did happen back in '07, but that picture is a fake.
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Nut Bunnies posted:Jon Heyman made a "best signings of the offseason" list. It's worse than I could have ever imagined. I know there's many reasons to find this hilarious (depending on your sense of humor) but I can't get past Jonny Gomes. I mean, really? Gomes? He is on a list? That is not of players with various chin hair arrangements?
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Dan Shaughnessy once made a really good point that because baseball holds such a hard line on gambling, no one even considered that maybe Buckner threw the game. That was his one contribution to society. I honestly can't believe that guy is the same guy as the turds that get published every other day in Boston's paper. Ya know, we're talking about, in this very thread, why the best and brightest minds in sports writing go elsewhere. The workload is difficult and it eventually makes you hate sports. On top of that, we encourage horrible opinions because we read them. Think of all the times you've written a well-thought-out sports opinion. Now think about how few page views that got compared to the above Shaughnessy article. Columnists eventually have to (pretend to) be outraged at every minor thing because that's what gets page views (that and WAG articles). Writing an opinion every other day is exhausting and good writers will take that opportunity to think about what they value in life and hammer those points home (Jeff Pearlman deeply, deeply values humanity in baseball players; Plaschke is all about "protecting the kids" in college sports). Others just spew whatever they're thinking and actually end up being that opinionated. So already we're promoting bad ideas by forcing the fit. The other problem is the current crop of professional baseball writers who are more focused on actually coverage and seem to be sensible, like Bastian and Castrovince, are the ones being phased out. We're getting to a point where there will be no need for daily sports coverage and opinions are the only thing in sports writing getting any page views. There'll still be a few hardline news coverers--your Bill Shaikins and your Ken Gurnicks--but let's be honest, they'll be the exception that proves the rule. We're at a point now where every tidbit that Shaikin gets is tweeted and then retweeted for free by anyone who has a twitter account. People are taking his work for free. And worse, it earns no money for his paper when he does that. I mean, how often do you click on a link when they post it? I click on maybe one every month or so. Kids are taking these jobs now, working for pennies, and rarely getting raises. They'll work their fingers to the bone, get burned out and quit when they realize they could start a blog, do as much writing for that without an editor, and work a job that pays with better hours. That's pretty much how it's always been, except now there's no room for promotion. Those who have jobs above them aren't quitting because there's no growth in the industry. Even if these kids stick, when they earn as much money as Shaikin or Gurnick earn now, they'll be fired. Twitter is the future of journalism, but if that's true, then there's no future in journalism. All of the money is going to Twitter and that's not a very sound business model for any news source. It is, however, really good for people who do blogging for a hobby. People like Crashburn Alley or our own leokitty, who occasionally break a story, write good analysis and don't rely on their writing financially. So what's the end game in this? Looks to me like we're gonna keep the horrible opinions and suffer in journalism.
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In less depressing news, Jeff Sullivan is on a roll lately. 10 Worst Pitches of 2011 As soon as I saw #10, I knew it was going to be a Good List.
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Benne posted:In less depressing news, Jeff Sullivan is on a roll lately. Thanks for that. It brightened my day. 
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My favorite baseball player in the whole world, Slammin' Sammy Fuld, has a great article on Game 162 from the Rays' perspective. Not a lot of articles by baseball players that make explicit references to win expectancy tables.
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R.D. Mangles posted:My favorite baseball player in the whole world, Slammin' Sammy Fuld, has a great article on Game 162 from the Rays' perspective. Thats seriously superb.
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Come back to Des Moines, Sam. 
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Garza is awesome, but watching the Cubs win 70-75 games until they get rid of Soriano and rebuild something resembling a farm system would be far more satisfying if I got to watch Fuld running into walls every day. That Fuld April (my new term for a player having an awesomely unsustainable hot streak for a month) was so bittersweet because he wasn't doing it on the Cubs.
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The broken bones posted:So what's the end game in this? Looks to me like we're gonna keep the horrible opinions and suffer in journalism. I have no idea, and I don't think anyone in the journalism industry does, either. That's what makes it an even scarier proposition. excellent post, btw.
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R.D. Mangles posted:My favorite baseball player in the whole world, Slammin' Sammy Fuld, has a great article on Game 162 from the Rays' perspective. Not a lot of articles by baseball players that make explicit references to win expectancy tables. That is wonderful. If only because JP Howell greets people with "What it do?"
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This is...well, it's an article, I guess.Richard Griffin posted:Back on June 15, 1976, as the first wave of MLB serfs-in-spikes was about to hit the open market under the original rules of free agency, a commissioner’s decision cited as “in the best interests of baseball” was made by then-commissioner Bowie Kuhn.
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quote:It’s great for the Pirates because they are not a real contender and now have a short-term starting ace who won’t get attached and be looking for something awkward — like, say, an extension. It’s great for the Yankees because now they can add in other areas and win it all again. 
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I'm still struggling with the comparison to Finley's trades back in 1976. Edit: Also he thinks that Burnett can only be good if there are better starters on the team which is pretty dumb all in all. purkey fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 21, 2012 |
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leokitty posted:Is he arguing that Selig should veto any not horrible trade the Yankees want to execute...? His argument is basically "baseball isn't fair because the finances are a complete joke, therefore the Yankees shouldn't be allowed to make trades." Which, now that I think about it, I can kind of get behind. 
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ElwoodCuse posted:https://twitter.com/#!/JoseCanseco/status/171799945173667840 oh my god yes
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Jay Kang at Grantland has been doing some really stellar, personal writing on Jeremy Lin.
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leokitty posted:Wait why is Duff McKagan writing for ESPN Wait why does ESPN have a music section
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