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Halalelujah posted:Now that I'm back in the third world all I want to do is go to my gourmet grocery store and get a bunch of serrano ham and eat it on the couch while drinking red wine and whiskey while watching old episodes of frasier. We'll have scotch on the rocks, warm pussy, and a place to take a poo poo with a door on it when you come home, ace. E: on the road. Can someone snipe me a picture of a cat in a blanket?
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Sjurygg posted:Actually,
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bunnielab posted:Ok, so how, in this specific situation, can you make things better while still letting a company offer near instantaneous shipping of so much stuff sold so cheaply?
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pnumoman posted:No one's arguing that they have a great solution that can be implemented immediately, or that things aren't vastly better than they were in the past. But improvement in working conditions happened because people were not content with the status quo; you seem to be arguing that it's pointless to get upset and work towards change unless you can do it all in one go. That's a really short-sighted and frankly dumb position. And a goon shouts, "Foul! Strawman argument: no-one besides a true sociapath or power mad narcisist wants things to stay bad or get worse" The opposing idea gets a cast: The art of economics consists in looking not merely at the immediate but at the longer effects of any act or policy; it consists in tracing the consequences of that policy not merely for one group but for all groups. When economics and law treat everyone equally, then there is no need for special consideration except for the people who are truly unable to compete, and even they may have something to contribute. IF markets are allowed to stabilize and work to fulfill actual needs instead of react to some or another legislation designed to "fix" things life will get better on its own because it is both ECONOMICALLY and SOCIALLY a good idea. Remember, "fixing" things is how we got here in the first place.
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Good old lolbertarianism rears it's shaggy head once again.
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Rule .303 posted:Remember, "fixing" things is how we got here in the first place. I'm also none too sure about what that `here' refers to, as I find it seriously difficult to think up any line of argument that lays the blame for the current general economic situation on too much regulation (of all things), apart from purely empty reflexive jingoism. But that's probably too much of a derail for even this thread.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Good old lolbertarianism rears it's shaggy head once again. Suggestions to make things better?
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bunnielab posted:Suggestions to make things better? Get off the internet and have a drink with your loved ones?
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Vegetable Melange posted:Get off the internet and have a drink with your loved ones? Good point, I'm out. If you guys ever get your class war started let me know, I have a closet full of guns and bet I could build a good barricade.
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SubG posted:More Gilded Age arguments. I'm curious, however, if your argument is that no workers today should be complaining because their conditions are better than they used to be, why you're putting `fixing' in scare quotes there. There was no gilded age, though there was a time not too long ago where someone who worked was not taxed and regulated so much, and if you wanted to start a business you did not have to kiss some bureaucrat’s ring and pay-off the county commissioners. Was everyone guaranteed success? No. Were people able to try for it? yes. Are people able to do that now? Depends on local regulations. Is it better? Define better. I have never said that workers should not complain or try to make conditions better, (FOUL! Strawman argument again!) I will claim that workers are less able to better themselves today. If they belong to a union they are not able to negotiate in their own interest, they have so called experts who do that for them. There are fewer jobs due to a contracting job market. The education system is churning out functionally illiterate, undereducated graduates that need to take Math 083 to get up to speed at college and do not know what the electoral college is, who James Polk was and cannot balance a checkbook. And if they overcome those issues, they can’t go into business for themselves because the licensing and registration load is greater than any expected initial profit. As for the amount of regulation, try this. Pretend you are going to set up a distillery, employing 3 people in your garage. Call the state corporation division, ask for the cost to become an associated business name, a limited liability corporation and a domestic business corporation Call the workers comp people. Ask them how much you have to pay in the first couple of years for the workers comp. Call the workplace safety people, find out what you have to do to comply with their regs and what inspections cost. Call unemployment benefits people, ask what the quarterly payments are. Call the Environmental quality people, ask them what you have to do to comply with their rules and ask how much the inspection is Call the county, ask what regulations you have to comply with Call the city, ask them if you will comply with their zoning Does your state have a liquor control commission? What do you need to make them sweet? Call the ATF, find out what rules YOU MUST comply with and the amounts you have to pay so they don’t send the rev-noors after you. Call the IRS, find out what your quarterly payments are based on, and what requirements you have under the various laws and acts to do for banking and reporting of earnings Call Child Support, find out about complying with any future garnishment orders. Now imagine doing this because you are going to make and sell snowboard accessories to make beer money and tuition.
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TL/DR: Ooh, I dropped my toast on the ground. If I eat it will I get Cooties?
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Rule .303 posted:TL/DR: Only bunny cooties Dust Bunny Cooties
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Help! do I wash out my mouth with aguardiente or with bechamel sauce! No I feel them now, type faster!
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Friend brought back a set of Samaithu Pár for me today. Looks awesome, and I think I have a new project for this summer. I love that there's a chapter titled "Pickles Specially Prepared For Marriages" 
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bunnielab posted:Suggestions to make things better? Working together and making things happen!
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bunnielab posted:Suggestions to make things better? Believe it or not, there is an actual labor movement that has accomplished a lot of things in the past 150 years, from safety improvements to the weekend. If you're actually interested in what they think still needs to be improved and how, google it. I'm not going to do it for you. This "just asking questions" without directly responding to anything or stating your own thoughts is bush league.
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People died for the 40 hour work week and safe working conditions. We should honor their memory by continuing their struggle. The 40 hour work week doesn't just mean that you don't work more than 40 hours a week. It means you don't need to, because 40 hours sustains your livelihood. It doesn't mean you should feel honored to work 40 hours for poo poo pay and overtime for poo poo and a half in some wretched hellhole. And safety doesn't just mean you won't be incinerated by slag – it also means you won't destroy your body just by working some lovely job. Also: dickchat. Please. There's a reason I don't read D&D. Mr. Wiggles posted:Working together and making things happen! The Subcommandante is one of the coolest dudes in town. Kenning fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Mar 4, 2012 |
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Ok.. seriously! Some of the words that are used in English texts are something that you guys clearly are sitting around inventing, while drinking bong-water mixed with vodka, and taking the piss on all the foreigners. This is exacerbating international tension. Edit: Websters is written by goddamn adolescent school-boys! gently caress! Edit2: Some of these words are loving unpronouncable.. Happy Hat fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Mar 4, 2012 |
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Happy Hat posted:Ok.. seriously! You pretty much summed up my 4 years of college. Yay liberal arts school!
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Happy Hat posted:Ok.. seriously! Just imagine those people trying to learn Danish. It'll put a smile on your fjæs.
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Dane posted:Just imagine those people trying to learn Danish. It'll put a smile on your fjæs. Rødgrød med fløde? 
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Best part about cooking with wine is that I get to drink the half the bottle I don't use to cook wiht.
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Hmm.. apparantly using Green Day as a ringtone is frowned upon at work! Now I have to figure something else out!
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Happy Hat posted:Hmm.. apparantly using Green Day as a ringtone is frowned upon at work! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbquDj3mkGc
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Drink and Fight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbquDj3mkGc This is a good post.
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Drink and Fight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbquDj3mkGc Done!
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Happy Hat posted:Done! Get the pirate virus song playing on all the company computers, and have an Archerific Monday.
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My sister just went to see the newest addition to the extended family (goddamn I miss the word "slekt" in English sometimes) being baptized, the church service was an "Environmental Awareness" service and featured Santa Claus doing a projector showing of pictures from Antarctica. Get your kids started early on surrealism.
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Rule .303 posted:There was no gilded age, though there was a time not too long ago where someone who worked was not taxed and regulated so much, and if you wanted to start a business you did not have to kiss some bureaucrat’s ring and pay-off the county commissioners. Rule .303 posted:I have never said that workers should not complain or try to make conditions better, (FOUL! Strawman argument again!) Rule .303 posted:We have extraordinary conditions in these United States. Probably more freedom and choice than any other civilization in history. Despite that, many people can only complain and bellyache. If you cannot succeed right now in this society, you would be a goner in any other time and any other society. And as interesting as your fantasies about setting up a business are, they don't seem particularly relevant to the subject. Which is either whether or not working conditions at order fulfilment companies is worthy of comment or, per my comments to which you were replying, how anyone could imagine that the current economic crises could be attributable to too much regulation.
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Drink and Fight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbquDj3mkGc My ringtone is mulatto butts. I answer that poo poo quick in Brooklyn.
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Got my sound back up again now. Move-in is finally completed. Spent the evening listening to 70's rock, and eating lasagna and hummus and hanging out with sis. It's good to have family. It's good to have a record player and hummus.
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Vegetable Melange posted:My ringtone is mulatto butts. I answer that poo poo quick in Brooklyn. It's my BF's ringtone too. His new boss was not amused.
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Casu Marzu posted:Best part about cooking with wine is that I get to drink the half the bottle I don't use to cook wiht. I did that once when I made risotto at like 9 in the morning and I regretted it all day.
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Drink and Fight posted:It's my BF's ringtone too. His new boss was not amused. It's mine as well. Made for a bunch of awkward looks at family brunch last week when a buddy called me. Also I found out today that you can indeed eat too many tacos. I didn't think it was possible. But worth it. So much delicious tongue and tripe.
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Kenning posted:I did that once when I made risotto at like 9 in the morning and I regretted it all day. Risotto and fried eggs is the best. I am experiencing an unreal amount of jetlag. I fall asleep at midnight and wake up at 2:30. And that's it. gently caress this poo poo.
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SubG posted:Ah, the good old days when there were no child labour laws and a company could hire armed mercenaries to gun down labour organisers. Wow, what country was enslaving children and gunning down labor organizers in the 50’s and 60's? Oh, right, Albania, sorry. I’m going to have to call foul on a third offense of a strawman argument: Only a sociopath or a narcissistic dictator with dreams of world conquest would be in favor of that. Also please don’t attribute i shoot friendlies’s posts to me. And if you really want to talk about my fantasies, they tend to include more Indonesian women than compliance with zoning ordinances, but it is a matter of taste, like the lady said when she kissed a cow. Working conditions are always worth discussing, but I have yet to see passing laws, regulations and policy statements actually make things better. They are more likely to drive companies out of business and, “shrink the universe of available jobs” (as I believe the Department of Commerce so carefully puts it). Actually, I thought I said that I thought that Mother Jones thought it was worthy of discussing because it was a non-union shop, and any stick works to beat that dog. Do we want to continue this here? I’d rather make fun of Happy Hat and his struggles with the English Language
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