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Judeccahedron posted:I love how he goes from "How dare they place such a high honor in the hands of those loving hippies" to "You know who else was Person of the Year? That's right... " My favorite part is the "mayhem and bedlam" stuff. Anyone who has paid even just a modicum of attention to the Occupy movement knows that it is not only an overwhelmingly peaceful movement, but that the Occupy protestors are victims of violence and crime, not the perpetrators. Just look at all the cases of police and security committing violent assault against Occupy protestors using pepper spray, rubber bullets, tasers, gas and flashbang canisters, and other police weaponry. Can you imagine the total loving shitstorm that would come from these critics of the Occupy movement if the Tea Party received just 1% of the violence from police that the Occupy protestors have received?
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Bruce Leroy posted:My favorite part is the "mayhem and bedlam" stuff. They pretend to live in the Just-World, where any violence perpetrated by the police is justified in response to some unspecified thing the protestors must have done.
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Not even Glenn Beck is far enough to the rightquote:The Curtain Has Been Opened
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Dr. Tough posted:Not even Glenn Beck is far enough to the right I love that Arpaio's response to being investigated for being racist and corrupt as gently caress is to investigate Obama for being black.
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Dr. Tough posted:Not even Glenn Beck is far enough to the right Wow. Just loving Wow. Arpaio does illegal poo poo on a daily basis, like violate the rights of Latinos, steal documents from defense attorneys, and use his deputies to prevent journalists from accessing public records, but these loving nutjobs just love him because they are a bunch of sadists that get off on his retarded "tough on crime" bullshit. If you're wondering about the "personal danger" part, that was when Joe Arpaio and his crony deputies entrapped an 18-year-old as part of a media stunt. The man spent four years in jail awaiting trial and was found not guilty by a jury because he was obviously framed for the crime. Maricopa county settled a huge lawsuit brought by the victim and his family, costing the county $1.1 million (the settlement was much larger, but the exact figure hasn't been made public because the county's insurer's portion of the settlement was never disclosed), which is on top of $43 million in settlements paid to the families of people victimized in Arpaio's notorious prisons. Frankly, I'm quite surprised that Arpaio hasn't been indicted by the federal government for numerous counts of violating the civil rights of people in Maricopa County.
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Bruce Leroy posted:Frankly, I'm quite surprised that Arpaio hasn't been indicted by the federal government for numerous counts of violating the civil rights of people in Maricopa County. He's still under investigation. Dr. Tough fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 8, 2012 |
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Dr. Tough posted:He's still under investigation. Has been since shortly after Obama was inaugurated, if memory serves. I hope either they wrap it up or Obama gets reelected, because I can't see that investigation continuing under Gingrich or Romney.
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bairfanx posted:I don't even have words for this one: It's also blinding in its Amero-centrism. The letter talks about the "protestor" as though it was just the Occupy movement, while ignoring the Arab Spring (something I'm pretty sure Time didn't do.) Although I like the idea of people being angry at protestors living under more oppressive regimes being pissy that they didn't obey the cops. Bruce Leroy posted:What is it with conservatives not understanding Time's "Person of the Year?" Time really screwed the pooch by not giving bin Laden the title in 2001.
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Boxman posted:Time really screwed the pooch by not giving bin Laden the title in 2001. Yeah, the choice of Rudy Giuliani over bin Laden is just going to look more and more foolish.
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What I like is that person clearly thinks that's exclusively referring to Occupy and American movements. God forbid they also be referring to the rest of the world, and it's brown-people (therefore irrelevant) protest movements.
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Fandyien posted:What I like is that person clearly thinks that's exclusively referring to Occupy and American movements. God forbid they also be referring to the rest of the world, and it's brown-people (therefore irrelevant) protest movements. I think the right wing doesn't really like the Arab Spring either, which is why there are so many pundits that try to deflate and minimize the movement by talking about how "chaotic" things are in Egypt, Tunisia, etc. or even how the evil Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over in all those countries and turn them into terrorist Sharia states. This has been their "go to" narrative to combat the Arab Spring, but it really isn't all that catchy or effective because they are basically arguing that it was better for all these nations to be run by terrible autocratic regimes because they were puppets of the American government. These right wingers are perfectly fine with authoritarianism and the lack of liberty and democracy as long as it favors them.
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Bruce Leroy posted:These right wingers are perfectly fine with authoritarianism and the lack of liberty and democracy as long as it favors them. Right-wingers? I think you mean Western nations.
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Welp, this horrible poo poo has been posted a couple times on my facebook feed already. http://news.investors.com/Article.aspx?id=603899&ibdbot=1 quote:I'm writing this from Australia, so, if I'm not quite up to speed on recent events in the United States, bear with me the telegraph updates are a bit slow here in the bush. As I understand it, Sandra Fluke is a young coed who attends Georgetown Law, and recently testified before Congress. "It would be inappropriate of me to comment, but let me just say that Obama and Fluke are worse than Rush, laters."
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# ? Mar 11, 2012 21:26 |
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Wow, they're just going to completely ignore the fact that the issue is insurance paying for birth control. But I guess telling the truth wouldn't rile their base as much, would it? Is it too much to expect an honest debate on these things?
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# ? Mar 11, 2012 22:06 |
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I'd wager a dollar that a Baby Boomer wrote that (64 going on 65)
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King Dopplepopolos posted:Wow, they're just going to completely ignore the fact that the issue is insurance paying for birth control. But I guess telling the truth wouldn't rile their base as much, would it? Is it too much to expect an honest debate on these things? He's just a liar like the rest of the right wing. E.g. "Nor is the core issue liberty in its more basic sense although it would certainly surprise America's founders that their republic of limited government is now the first nation in the developed world to compel private employers to fully fund the sex lives of their employees." Germany's universal healthcare program works via employers paying for their employees' health insurance (to health insurers that are legally prohibited from taking profits), with the government providing assistance to those who are unemployed. This coverage includes paying for contraceptives, just as the recent HHS mandate would, showing that Steyn's claim is patently false. dur posted:Welp, this horrible poo poo has been posted a couple times on my facebook feed already. I don't understand all the repeated mentions of Fluke's age and calling her "middle-aged." What is the point of this, to demean her by implying that she's an old slut or to devalue her for being a law student at age 30 (there are plenty of 30-year-old law students)?
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Bruce Leroy posted:I don't understand all the repeated mentions of Fluke's age and calling her "middle-aged." What is the point of this, to demean her by implying that she's an old slut or to devalue her for being a law student at age 30 (there are plenty of 30-year-old law students)? I'm almost positive it's the latter. He's trying to paint her as one of those "forever-students" who just never want to grow up and spend all their days in the sheltered bubble of liberal academia, while Real Americans are out working hard at their Real Jobs in the Real World. I ended up writing a 600 word response to this dumb column. It probably wasn't worth the effort.
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dur posted:I'm almost positive it's the latter. He's trying to paint her as one of those "forever-students" who just never want to grow up and spend all their days in the sheltered bubble of liberal academia, while Real Americans are out working hard at their Real Jobs in the Real World. But she's not a "forever student," she's in law school at loving Georgetown. What likely happened was that she graduated undergrad several years earlier and worked for a while to afford law school or she attended law school right after undergrad, but she spent several years working between high school and starting undergrad. Either way, she's not a "lazy" person. The funniest thing to me is that they all keep talking about what a "slut" and "prostitute" Fluke is, but she wasn't even talking about herself in her congressional testimony, she was speaking about her fellow Georgetown students. The very best part of this is that the key anecdote of her testimony was about her friend who suffered preventable ovarian cysts and is a lesbian, so there's no way this woman was taking birth control pills to prevent pregnancy, which really belies the whole "these sluts just want us to pay them to have sex" bullshit.
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Well, yeah, but the people reading these columns don't give a poo poo. I mean, one of the guys that posted this article was in the military, then did his undergrad and law school, graduating when he was 29. A mutual friend of ours just started law school, and she's 28. It's the same thing we see over and over again - the people you know are the good ones, whether it's being a student, using welfare, being a minority, whatever, and everyone else is the ambiguous Other that is Bad and Doing Bad Things. Every time someone posts a stupid thing about Fluke's testimony, I've been posting the transcript of it (here, if anyone needs it), but I never get a response when I ask them to find where she asks America to subsidize her sex life, or whatever bullshit they're claiming.
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dur posted:Well, yeah, but the people reading these columns don't give a poo poo. I mean, one of the guys that posted this article was in the military, then did his undergrad and law school, graduating when he was 29. A mutual friend of ours just started law school, and she's 28. It's the same thing we see over and over again - the people you know are the good ones, whether it's being a student, using welfare, being a minority, whatever, and everyone else is the ambiguous Other that is Bad and Doing Bad Things. Those people you are responding to don't really want a discussion, they simply want you to reaffirm their preexisting beliefs and opinions with something monosyllabic or even just a simple "like" and a reposting/retweeting of what they already did.
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I know, and that makes me really sad.
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dur posted:Welp, this horrible poo poo has been posted a couple times on my facebook feed already. Sometimes, I want to believe Rush was actually pointing out the dearth of critical thinking in American discourse in his tirade. constantIllusion fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Mar 13, 2012 |
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constantIllusion posted:Sometimes, I want to believe Rush was actually pointing out the dearth of critical in American discourse in his tirade. I think that's a few dozen IQ points too high for Rush. I mean, the guy thinks that women have to take birth control pills every time they have sex. If he gets something that simple wrong, then it's unlikely that he'd have much insight or awareness about reasonable, critical thought in our political discourse.
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This thing that turned up on FSTDT today seems to be a newspaper editorial so this is as good a place as any to post it.
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Bruce Leroy posted:I think that's a few dozen IQ points too high for Rush. I mean, the guy thinks that women have to take birth control pills every time they have sex. If he gets something that simple wrong, then it's unlikely that he'd have much insight or awareness about reasonable, critical thought in our political discourse. You're looking at it the wrong way. Rush isn't a some great intellectual, but he isn't actually stupid. Everyone knows how birth control pills work, but that doesn't fit the narrative he was trying to create. No one who agreed with him is going to do the basic research, or they already know and will ignore it because its more fun to call some liberal a slut since the radio said it was ok.
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We printed a letter today about how smart meters are out to get'cha.posted:
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# ? Mar 14, 2012 01:41 |
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Saint Sputnik posted:We printed a letter today about how smart meters are out to get'cha. From the pdf link in the letter: quote:Results This paper not only doesn't support the letter author's position, but actually contradicts their claim that smart meters and other environmental wireless signal sources cause cancer. So, did the author not read their own linked pdf or did they read it and are simply betting on readers not checking out the link for themselves? Also, I like the indignation that the author might have to slightly adjust their lifestyle to save energy and money. "Turn the dishwasher on after 9 PM?!? How dare you fascists tell me how to live my life!!"
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Bruce Leroy posted:From the pdf link in the letter: Yeah I looked over the WHO paper and noticed the same thing. Most likely she was handed the link by another nutter and either took someone else's claims on it at face value, or read just enough to confirm her bias. I looked into the issue more and it all stems from some California neighborhood who made exactly the wrong connection between an unusually hot summer and the accuracy of the meters. Misinformation snowballed from there. The radio waves cause cancer thing has been around forever of course; at another paper 10 years ago I had a lady try to get me to write about how automatically opening Walmart doors cause cancer.
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quote:Evangelical patriarch Rev. Pat Robertson has long been a leader in the conservative movement advocating for a better civil and moral society. But his recent support of marijuana legalization couldn't be more wrongheaded. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/14/opinion/bennett-drug-war/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 The War on Drugs, that famous success story
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It's amazing when Pat Robertson has a more intelligent viewpoint than Biden, let alone anybody.
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Wasn't that Joel Olsteen guy advocating legalizing it a while back as well?quote:As the late, great political scientist, James Q. Wilson, put it, "The central problem with legalizing drugs is that it will increase drug consumption."
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Yes and no. You have yearly fluctuations with some higher usage rates and overall a reduction in abuse/addiction rates. So I'd say that the central thrust of his statement misses the point, you don't legalize a drug to reduce its consumption, you legalize it to reduce turning people into addicts and criminals.
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zeroprime posted:Yes and no. You have yearly fluctuations with some higher usage rates and overall a reduction in abuse/addiction rates. So I'd say that the central thrust of his statement misses the point, you don't legalize a drug to reduce its consumption, you legalize it to reduce turning people into addicts and criminals. I can't think of a mechanism in which legality would prevent addiction. The benefits would be that once the stigma is removed, drug addiction can be treated as the disease that it is rather than a character flaw or perceived lack of morals/will power.
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Well, yeah, the second half is basically what happened in Portugal. They decriminalized (not legalized) drugs and actual got people to voluntarily accept treatment for addiction instead of throwing users in a rape hole with violent criminals for several years. Somewhat recent update: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/ quote:Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
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This definitely belongs here. The town of Brookfield (coincidentally in the conservative hellhole that is Waukesha County, Wisconsin) is up in arms because the local Muslim population wants to build a mosque. Not if Mary Kay Sr. Director Nancy Jo Baratti has something to say about it: quote:A mosque in Brookfield is troubling proposition Let's run through the checklist: 1. Terrorists? Check 2. Sharia Law? Check 3. Lying Muslims? Check 4. Ronald Reagan? Check 5. Beheading? Check 6. ARE TAXES? Check Easily one of the most horrifying things I've seen lately.
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# ? Mar 14, 2012 21:03 |
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I work like a minute away from Brookfield. It's not surprising at all that they're pulling this, as it is mostly made up of wealthy white people. It's an affluent community with a poo poo ton of soccer moms driving around huge Lexus SUVs with nothing better to do than fear the Muslim Menace. FYI, WVCY is a Christian radio station. That's another lovely level of irony. EDIT: The comments on that article are surprisingly sane and call out the bigotry of it.
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I tired to find some source for the quote by Omar Ahmad but could only find crap from wnd etc. Usually a lot of information in these things is total bullshit, I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly cribbed from a recent email the writer received, but I do like to be sure.
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katlington posted:I tired to find some source for the quote by Omar Ahmad but could only find crap from wnd etc. Usually a lot of information in these things is total bullshit, I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly cribbed from a recent email the writer received, but I do like to be sure. I was about to post the same thing. So many of these crazy right-wing letters, editorials, etc. rely on the readers being lazy shits. It takes all of 5 seconds to google this poo poo and figure out how full of poo poo the authors are. In that spirit, here's some stuff courtesy of Right Wing Watch: Gingrich: The Left Doesn't 'Believe the Wright Brothers Invented Flying' posted:Liberals have this desire to ration, to regulate, to control and the possibility that we could actually produce enough energy that we did not need the Middle East is something that most liberals just look at with fear because it suddenly means that you and I could be free, we could buy the kind of car that we want, we'd have a job here at home, the government would be less important. It's a fascinating experience. "Dianna Cotter: "Arizona sheriff finds Obama presidential qualifications forged" posted:A singularly remarkable event has taken place in the United States of America. This event occurred in Arizona on March 1st and was an earth shattering revelation. If you are wondering about the Minor v. Happersett case cited above, this author completely misinterpreted the case. The Court sided against Minor because it reasoned that voting was not a right of citizenship, not that Minor "could not use the 14th Amendment to claim citizenship and the right to vote because she was a Natural Born Citizen, and therefor unable to lay claim to the statutory citizenship the 14th Amendment gave to former slaves, which included their right to vote." Also, Minor v. Happersett is not used as precedent to define what natural born citizenship is, the US Code does, so the entire issue is really moot. Seriously, this author is loving crazy and stupid as hell. I like her bio that she listed at the end of the article: quote:Dianna Cotter is a Senior at American Military University, a 4.0 Student, the recipient of the Outstanding Student Essay of 2009, a member of Delta Epsilon Tau and Epsilon Pi Phi Academic Fraternities and on the Dean's and President's Lists for academic achievement. She has published at Examiner.com, in American Thinker, Accuracy in Media, and Family Security Matters. Maybe I'm a bit of a snob, but a for-profit online university seems pretty lovely to me.
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Bruce Leroy posted:Maybe I'm a bit of a snob, but a for-profit online university seems pretty lovely to me. The other college this company owns is called American Public University, and together they form the American Public University System, owned by a company called American Public Education, Inc. When even your name is a lie, that's a bad sign. Shasta Orange Soda fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 15, 2012 |
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Hey now, they have proof, they have proof that he won't reveal the proof that he is undoubtedly American. They have proof that he is a martian as well. He won't let himself be dissected by scientist to prove he doesn't have moon blood, what else is he hiding?
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