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MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo
If anything, my preference in regards to the perceived skill level and production in metal seems to be devolving. The dirtier and sloppier it gets, the better it is.

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henpod
Mar 7, 2008

Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.
College Slice
Someone posted this in the Youtube thread in GBS. Thought you guys might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbAXXXOJF8

DEAR RICHARD
Feb 5, 2009

IT'S TIME FOR MY TOOLS

henpod posted:

Someone posted this in the Youtube thread in GBS. Thought you guys might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbAXXXOJF8

No, no we don't enjoy it.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.

Bagsack posted:

That guy's videos are hilarious! His Radio Disney version of Messugah's Bleed Is really pretty impressive.
Yeah, that guy is a loving genius. I think my favourite is the reggae version of Megadeth's Symphony of Destruction.

henpod posted:

Someone posted this in the Youtube thread in GBS. Thought you guys might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbAXXXOJF8
Welp, I think I'm gonna go find myself a funnel now so I can pour bleach in my ears.

Speaking of Japanese stuff though, anyone here know of Sex Machineguns? Personally, I think they're pretty loving boss.

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.

Nordick posted:

Speaking of Japanese stuff though, anyone here know of Sex Machineguns? Personally, I think they're pretty loving boss.

I used to love Sex Machineguns as a kid. All I really listened to was Japanese metal for a good while so I was exposed to all of that before really anything else. I haven't kept up with them really but they had some great albums.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


henpod posted:

Someone posted this in the Youtube thread in GBS. Thought you guys might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbAXXXOJF8

My head. It Hurts.

A TURGID FATSO
Jan 27, 2004

Here's to ya, JACKASS

MrBling posted:

If anything, my preference in regards to the perceived skill level and production in metal seems to be devolving. The dirtier and sloppier it gets, the better it is.

This is exactly what has been happening to me. Even with bands that I know who like to have crisp and clean production, it kind of grates on my nerves, especially with a lot of technical death metal bands. I love hearing the imperfections of it all, because it makes it sound real, if that makes any sense. Embracing the muddiness and mistakes, I really enjoy that.

A lot of tech-death bands get on my nerves because they think that showing off their stellar musicianship is a good substitute for actual song-writing, which it isn't. I liked the new Spawn of Possession album, but at times it got to be a bit too much, particularly in the second-half of the album (although "Apparition" is a loving great song).

Just look at Viraemia as an example. They play their instruments very well, there's no doubt about it. But, all they do are sweeping scales for much of the song. That is not good song-writing. It is ham-fisted and lazy, even if it can make a mockery of what normal human beings are capable of. A band like Origin love to play scales, but they also know how to make interesting songs on-top of the stellar musicianship, which someone here already mentioned their song "Aftermath" off of "Antithesis" which is a perfect example of how to do it right.

Hell, Origin doesn't even like to use crisp and clean production a lot of the time. It's cleaner than most death metal, but it still has a raw emotion to it, which gets lost in translation with a lot of tech-death bands. I can appreciate people liking a lot of tech-death just for the way they can handle their instruments, but there has to be more to it, otherwise it just feels shallow.

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.
I'm in agreement for the most part about this. I simply don't enjoy tech death anymore except for Gorguts and Spawn of Possession. Anything else just comes off inferior or just excess. Hell, even death metal itself I hardly ever listen to now except for the more raw dirty bands like the old school Swedish and Florida stuff, and the recent atmospheric blackened bands like Portal. The thing is Portal themselves are extremely technical but it works so beautifully in that lovecraftian grotesque elder evil horror about to be unleashed kind of way.

Bagsack
Mar 29, 2007

I'm a fucking lobster

henpod posted:

Someone posted this in the Youtube thread in GBS. Thought you guys might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbAXXXOJF8

The only way this could be any shittier would be if we all understood Japanese. I just imagine they're singing about the cheesiest stuff in the world. I couldn't go on when they did that double horns-up close in shot... :negative:

edit: Speaking of Jap. Metal, I'm still so loving hooked on Dir En Grey's Dum Spiro Spero. Definitely my favorite album of 2011.

Bagsack fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 10, 2012

Weaponized Cum
Aug 31, 2004


This post brought to you by the finest Miami cocaine money can buy ----->
Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of Terror Squad, but someone mentions loving Dir en Grey? Goons.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

Weaponized Cum posted:

Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of Terror Squad, but someone mentions loving Dir en Grey? Goons.

Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of X Japan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUsAmb15njo&t=1m22s
(skipped slow intro)

The only japanese metal that matters.

MooselanderII
Feb 18, 2004

I saw the Iced Earth/Symphony X North American tour last night. It was awesome. Looks like Russel Allen lost about 20 pounds and gained a bunch of muscle mass. He was amazing.

Also, I like Stu Block a lot more than I ever did Barlow.

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

If you like sloppy and dirty tech death you might enjoy Sleep Terror. It's maybe not the sloppiest or the dirtiest but its loving good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ERHU7vBSAo&hd=1

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.

Bagsack posted:

edit: Speaking of Jap. Metal, I'm still so loving hooked on Dir En Grey's Dum Spiro Spero. Definitely my favorite album of 2011.

I'm a huge Dir en grey honestly, and I loved Dum Spiro Spero but it could have done with a few less songs. It starts getting a bit samey by the end, though does finish strong.

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of X Japan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUsAmb15njo&t=1m22s
(skipped slow intro)

The only japanese metal that matters.

Love X-Japan. When you mentioned you skipped the intro I just knew it was Kurenai too, haha. Amazing song.

Weaponized Cum posted:

Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of Terror Squad, but someone mentions loving Dir en Grey? Goons.

Terror Squad are great too. I still haven't listened to Chaosdragon Rising though. I should get on that...

Bagsack
Mar 29, 2007

I'm a fucking lobster

Weaponized Cum posted:

Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of Terror Squad,

I just listened to Terror Squad for the first time and this completely sold me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbCMNb-ew7I&t=2m50s

...what language is that even in?

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.

Bagsack posted:

I just listened to Terror Squad for the first time and this completely sold me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbCMNb-ew7I&t=2m50s

...what language is that even in?

Sounds like English, haha.

Also if we are talking Japanese thrash, nothing beats King's~Evil. They had a new album last year too after like a 10 year gap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CW96x9zOk0
http://youtu.be/3dKUiQYr4P4

The Clit Avoider
Aug 11, 2002

El Profesional

MrBling posted:

If anything, my preference in regards to the perceived skill level and production in metal seems to be devolving. The dirtier and sloppier it gets, the better it is.

At the end of the day, the guy playing bass in this can do this and this.

Shove your tech death.

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS
Tech death literally raped and murdered my family

A TURGID FATSO
Jan 27, 2004

Here's to ya, JACKASS

nerve posted:

Tech death literally raped and murdered my family

It's making a lot of death metal boring as poo poo.

nudejedi
Mar 5, 2002

Shanghai Tippytap
I only listen to posttech deathcore.

I agree though, tech death is impressive, but getting kinda stale. Still love me some Nile though, I'm a sucker for the interludes.

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.
The issue isn't technicality really. This is technical and still good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n74Dn596S5M as is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emrBZZtGFgI

The issue is that these "tech death" bands are just becoming a dime a dozen and not remotely interesting.

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS
Truly an issue that only applies to technical death metal

fappenmeister
Nov 19, 2004

My hand wields the might

I prefer older death metal stylings (Autopsy, Death, Swedish DM), because that's what I got into growing up, or appeals more due to the rawness and no-frills attitude.

It could be a case of "get off my lawn" because it seems "younger" people tend to enjoy tech death more from personal experience. Tech death usually equates to that plastic sounding perfect engineering job which I can't stand most of the time. No person in their right mind would or can deny the musicianship of bands like Obscura, but it gets in the way of a good tune.

Don't get me wrong, there are times where I want to hear musicians wank about, but prefer to listen to progressive rock or metal for that, or Atheist.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

nudejedi posted:

I only listen to posttech deathcore.

I agree though, tech death is impressive, but getting kinda stale. Still love me some Nile though, I'm a sucker for the interludes.

I think the thing that keeps me hooked about Nile is their whole theme. It's not even that the whole Egyptian theme is particularly awesome (even though it is) it's that they just do it so incredibly well. Even their most techy parts include the overall ambiance.

I MEAN C'MON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsndxT2wQc

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

I think the thing that keeps me hooked about Nile is their whole theme. It's not even that the whole Egyptian theme is particularly awesome (even though it is) it's that they just do it so incredibly well. Even their most techy parts include the overall ambiance.

I MEAN C'MON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsndxT2wQc

I haven't listened to Nile since I was in high school, I just don't see the point to when I know they will never beat Amongst the Catacombs or In Their Darkened Shrines. Those two and Behemoth's Zos Kia Cultus pretty much defined my high school musical taste.

Leopold N. Loeb
Apr 26, 2010

by XyloJW

Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

Talks of Japanese metal and no mention of X Japan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUsAmb15njo&t=1m22s
(skipped slow intro)

The only japanese metal that matters.

What, no Transgressor love?

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.

Leopold N. Loeb posted:

What, no Transgressor love?

Good band but certainly not a well known one. I'd mention Coffins or Corrupted before Transgressor.

Don't know how you guys take to melodic death metal and I am certainly hardly a fan, but Intestine Baalism is great melodeath from Japan largely in part because they just sound like a death metal band who know the value of melody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28kC-xc7QkE

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS
Speaking of tech death here's a pretty great album that came out last summer. Can't remember who turned me on to this so apologies if it was this thread, but it's pretty great.

http://burningatthestake.bandcamp.com/

Leopold N. Loeb
Apr 26, 2010

by XyloJW
It's been said here already, but as long as a band is playing well-crafted songs and not just wanking, I don't care if it's tech-, melo-, old school, or whatever death. I actualy like Pavor quite a bit, even if I.wish their guitar tone was thicker and heavier. I could really never get into Meshuggah. I do think flashes of tech add color flavor or whatever, but you can't cook a satisfying meal made entirely out of spices. Dies this make any sense? Like sometimes bands get so hung up on technique that it makes the music one-dimensional.

hellocruelworld
Feb 28, 2003

Dude, I See God!

Leopold N. Loeb posted:

It's been said here already, but as long as a band is playing well-crafted songs and not just wanking, I don't care if it's tech-, melo-, old school, or whatever death. I actualy like Pavor quite a bit, even if I.wish their guitar tone was thicker and heavier. I could really never get into Meshuggah. I do think flashes of tech add color flavor or whatever, but you can't cook a satisfying meal made entirely out of spices. Dies this make any sense? Like sometimes bands get so hung up on technique that it makes the music one-dimensional.

I listen to a fair amount of technical music, and I often have a lot of trouble getting into tech death because every song tends to blend into each other. It may take tremendous musicianship to play but a lot of the songs are not memorable at all. I also hate obvious drum triggers and the over-produced new standard death metal sound. I really don't see the point in having a real drummer if you are going to make the drums sound almost exactly like a drum machine would.

Stoo
Dec 29, 2004
SHART MY JORTS

420 shart jorts everyday
Enslaved did a loving amazing black metal cover of Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song last night and Jonanamary and I met them after the gig to get our tickets signed. They're all such awesome dudes. Triptykon were great too. Cannibal Corpse were a bit uninspiring to be honest. They just don't really grab me and frankly, Cannabis Corpse actually seem to write better songs these days.

DEAR RICHARD
Feb 5, 2009

IT'S TIME FOR MY TOOLS

Stoo posted:

Enslaved did a loving amazing black metal cover of Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song last night and Jonanamary and I met them after the gig to get our tickets signed. They're all such awesome dudes.

I have a dollar bill signed by 3 of them. Ivar was so down to earth it's not even funny.

Less Claypool
Apr 16, 2009

More Primus For Fucks Sake.

hellocruelworld posted:

I listen to a fair amount of technical music, and I often have a lot of trouble getting into tech death because every song tends to blend into each other. It may take tremendous musicianship to play but a lot of the songs are not memorable at all. I also hate obvious drum triggers and the over-produced new standard death metal sound. I really don't see the point in having a real drummer if you are going to make the drums sound almost exactly like a drum machine would.

I think that's why black metal has so much appeal, at least for me, because it's just straight up I don't give a poo poo about the production because it shouldn't be centered around that aspect and should be raw as hell. I love a great produced album as much as the next person but my buddy and I were talking about how much we admire bands that can pull off just sounding great with little or no tweaking.

For Example

The Clit Avoider
Aug 11, 2002

El Profesional
I've been listening to the new Avenger album, as well as the compilation they've released celebrating their 20 years of existence and it's served as a timely reminder of how amazingly good they are. Czech death/black.

They also had a side project called Black Rain which blows 90% of black metal out the water on their only demo.

fappenmeister
Nov 19, 2004

My hand wields the might

The Clit Avoider posted:

I've been listening to the new Avenger album, as well as the compilation they've released celebrating their 20 years of existence and it's served as a timely reminder of how amazingly good they are. Czech death/black.

They also had a side project called Black Rain which blows 90% of black metal out the water on their only demo.

You're the only other person ever to mention Avenger in a long time. Guys, this band is excellent, do yourself a favour and check them out. Czech bands sound more evil due to their native language, sounds so vicious and full of bile when growled. My favourite is probably Godless, but Fall of Devotion, Wrath and Blasphemy is superb too.

fappenmeister fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 12, 2012

TeamJesus
Sep 21, 2006

He died for your sins...
Now he's back for your
BRAINS!
The new Gorod is out, and it is amazing as expected.

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

Yeah the new Gorod album is really good.

Does anyone know anything about The Faceless' new album? I saw on metalstorm that it was set for release in February, but then it just disappeared. Oh and I hope the new Gojira album comes out this month! :)

EDIT: OH YEAH JEFF LOOMIS ALBUM SAMPLER GET YOUR SHRED OUT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeJXxsbzYX0

Kevin Bacon fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Mar 12, 2012

Hulk Krogan
Mar 25, 2005



Jeff Loomis is one of my favorite guitarists but I was a little underwhelmed/bored by Zero Order Phase. That said, I'm so loving stoked for the track with Isahn.

Edit: Which is apparently streaming here: http://www.rockhard.de/megazine/praesentationen/jeff-loomis-surrender.html

Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 12, 2012

Killsion
Feb 16, 2011

Templars Rock.
Thoughts on Flourishing? Been listening to The Sum of All Fossils and I'm loving it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJrcrymMOok

Bands like these are the best thing to happen to death metal in ages. They make the genre listenable again.

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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
Yawn, more boring shred poo poo from Jeff Loomis

Killsion posted:

Thoughts on Flourishing? Been listening to The Sum of All Fossils and I'm loving it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJrcrymMOok

Bands like these are the best thing to happen to death metal in ages. They make the genre listenable again.
They have some really great flow between the parts indiscriminately ripped out of Kénôse and the parts indiscriminately ripped out of Seepia, it sounds like it's right out of 2005

Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Mar 12, 2012

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