Xachariah posted:I may be in the minority here, but I liked the ending. I chose synthesis, and it's very transhumanist, with synthetics and organics living in harmony in the end. I thought the ending was alright myself. I interpreted the majority of the game as being relevent to its 'epilogue' though, it would very hard to do anything more lengthy at the game's actual end because there's so many different ways things could have gone. I think people would've even settled for a massive DA:O-style text epilogue given the general reaction to the game's ending though, at least for the Destroy and Control endings. Or, at the absolute least, an alternate setting for the final choice far from Reaper children. Synthesis already works as it is for extremely open ended conclusion option. The ending cinematic sequence we got could have been re-cut way better though. Either way, imho, we already get the gist from talking to people like Tali about how well the Geth-Quarians would co-exist if you got them to make nice, or you got a sense how well the rehabitation was going if you sided with Tali. (I assume the Geth, if you sided with them, would continue to wish for peaceful isolation but I don't know). Same with the Krogan situation stuff, depending on who you leave in charge. I also assume the clip of Shep surviving was intended more as an easter egg for people who extensively played the multiplayer, rather than confirmation that Shep having ridiculously big war assets determines whether he could survive the synthetics obliteration. It would have been nice if we had more explicit stuff about Pavalen, Thessia, Sur'Kesh and the fate of the multi-species Armanda above Earth, either during the game or post-game, so we could figure out how their lives ended up as a result of Shep's actions (for destroy and control anyway, those endings are equivalent to them). Sur'Kesh seemed fine. Pavalen and Thessia looked only as bad as Earth, so its fair to assume they could get back on their feet but we really don't know about their situations. I think the fleet above Earth should be okay, using conventional FTL a ship could go from the extreme one end of the milky way to the extreme other in ~22-28 years and most species don't have to go nearly that far. The tricky part would be plotting a course back that allows them to pick up fuel, food and convienent discharge points as they go. Vessels would probably need to be overhauled into Quarian-style liveships and fuel tankers.
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RBA Starblade posted:Yeah. Singleplayer feels like a gently caress you to vanguards half the time. But I'm also hitting a lot of bugs here too. In general, while I know the intended synergy is with shotguns, I end up going at it differently. If you can be sure to stay in ammo, packing the automatic sniper rifle and a very very light SMG for backup, with a weapon power's added ammo capacity, longer range encounters where you are unable to really play to the Vanguard strengths become much less of a chore. Sort of turns you into a mini-soldier for those instances, but with Pull! And the rest of the time you can human ping-pong all you want. Either the SMG or the auto sniper are killer up close, shooting from the hip.
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Mar 19, 2012 05:46
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exquisite tea posted:I'm glad they referenced that for Conrad's appearance in ME3. "I'm sorry if I accused you of pulling a gun on me, even if you didn't. I was under a lot of stress at the time." Yep. He does.
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Mar 19, 2012 05:51
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From the Mass Effect facebook page;quote:We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.
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Mar 19, 2012 06:23
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Hezzy posted:From the Mass Effect facebook page; "In other words, we're still not changing anything but we're going to limit bad press by saying we're 'taking player feedback into consideration' "
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Mar 19, 2012 06:43
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What happens if the Normandy runs out of fuel when you are flying to different systems?
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Mar 19, 2012 07:40
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Spacebump posted:What happens if the Normandy runs out of fuel when you are flying to different systems? Nothing too bad. EDI just turns the ship back towards the system with nearest relay and you coast there on your last ounce of fuel. You have no control over it.
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Mar 19, 2012 08:01
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Spacebump posted:What happens if the Normandy runs out of fuel when you are flying to different systems? You automatically fly back to the system with a mass relay with no penalty.
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Mar 19, 2012 08:01
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Spacebump posted:What happens if the Normandy runs out of fuel when you are flying to different systems? You appear in the system with the mass relay with 0 fuel.
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Mar 19, 2012 08:04
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Dan Didio posted:Yep. He does. In a game released the same year as Whitney Houston's death, no less.
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Mar 19, 2012 08:06
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Hezzy posted:From the Mass Effect facebook page; 
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Mar 19, 2012 08:15
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Those who are meh/indifferent about the ending = liked the ending. So bioware is only seeing those peoples posts, apparently.
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Mar 19, 2012 08:33
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So, I don't remember getting an option to persuade the Illusive Man on Mars. Hell, the only time I got a persuade option was with the gay man and I was scared of choosing it in case it locked me into a homosexual relationship. Does that mean I'm poo poo out of luck wrt getting him to put a cap in he own dome?
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Mar 19, 2012 08:41
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Rape Jake. posted:So, I don't remember getting an option to persuade the Illusive Man on Mars. Hell, the only time I got a persuade option was with the gay man and I was scared of choosing it in case it locked me into a homosexual relationship. Does that mean I'm poo poo out of luck wrt getting him to put a cap in he own dome? Sorry, Rape Jake., it's too late, by failing to persuade TIM on Mars on you have now been locked into a very gay relationship with the very gay man who doesn't have a name and is extremely gay.
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Mar 19, 2012 08:50
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Dan Didio posted:Sorry, Rape Jake., it's too late, by failing to persuade TIM on Mars on you have now been locked into a very gay relationship with the very gay man who doesn't have a name and is extremely gay. You fell for my trap. I'm actually a femshep and that post was a joke.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 19, 2012 08:53
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I'm starting to get annoyed by all the bits of exposition that are shoehorned in for the ME2 DLC. They feel like a "gently caress you for not buying it" whilst simultaneously spoiling the whole lot of it so you'll not actually want to buy it either. Take Miranda for example. It almost like her entire character was stripped out of the game just so she could reference the ME2 DLC before appearing in a major mission towards the end. It's not even subtle. You might as well just have the dialog option be "tell me about the DLC Bioware".
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Mar 19, 2012 09:14
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Kin posted:I'm starting to get annoyed by all the bits of exposition that are shoehorned in for the ME2 DLC. They feel like a "gently caress you for not buying it" whilst simultaneously spoiling the whole lot of it so you'll not actually want to buy it either. When was this? I legitimately can't remember it.
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Mar 19, 2012 09:20
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Yeah, I can't remember a single time that Miranda referenced a piece of Mass Effect 2 DLC.
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Mar 19, 2012 10:05
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I mean, I guess she talked about Shepard being in prison after Arrival, but that gets referenced pretty heavily in the game, and isn't actually part of the DLC itself. It's a bit of a stretch.
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Mar 19, 2012 10:12
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Something I just noticed while perusing the codex, On the section for 'extinct races -> protheans' it shows a picture of the cthulhu-monsters that you see statues of on Ilos. Does that change if you have the Javik DLC? Neat little touch if it does.
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Watuhboy posted:Something I just noticed while perusing the codex, On the section for 'extinct races -> protheans' it shows a picture of the cthulhu-monsters that you see statues of on Ilos. Does that change if you have the Javik DLC? Neat little touch if it does. It's the same either way.
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Mar 19, 2012 10:21
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Charlie Mopps posted:If they still think they need more feedback on what people want i do not know what the gently caress they are waiting for. THe people who like the ending to finally start posting? They're stalling. Bioware hopes that the Retake Mass Effect 3 people will eventually just give up and accept the poo poo ending, although they're forgetting that a lot of hardcore Mass Effect fans are kinda crazy.
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Mar 19, 2012 10:50
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Charlie Mopps posted:If they still think they need more feedback on what people want i do not know what the gently caress they are waiting for. THe people who like the ending to finally start posting? Uh, don't you think redoing the entire end sequence of ME3 would take considerable programming, artwork, VO work, money, etc. that requires a little bit more planning than "people on the Internet are unhappy, avert course immediately!" I mean good on them if they respond to player feedback but it ain't gonna happen tomorrow.
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Mar 19, 2012 11:21
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I hope that they never fix the ending, that would be ridiculous. Mass Effect ends this way, period. I don't like it and most fans also don't like it, but adding or replacing the ending doesn't change anything, cause the old one would still be the "real one", the "first one". Besides, did anyone ever heard of a game company changing the ending of the game because the fans don't like it? That would be just insane. Fans don't make Mass Effect - Bioware does. That's why they should make whatever ending they like, even if it's terrible from our perspective. Changing the ending would just feel wrong and dirty.
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Mar 19, 2012 11:35
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Attention Horse posted:I hope that they never fix the ending, that would be ridiculous. Mass Effect ends this way, period. I don't like it and most fans also don't like it, but adding or replacing the ending doesn't change anything, cause the old one would still be the "real one", the "first one". Besides, did anyone ever heard of a game company changing the ending of the game because the fans don't like it? That would be just insane. You're kidding, right? Endings have been changed before. Ever heard of Broken Steel for Fallout? And books/movies get their ending changed all the time. Aside from that, they don't even have to get rid of, or change, the existing endings to solve this. They can keep it exactly the same, except a dlc adds in a 4th option for Shepard to refuse to take any of the 3 choices presented to him, and that gets a new ending, OR, Shepard can take one of those 3 choices and it proceeds exactly as it does now.
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Aristobulus posted:Ever heard of Broken Steel for Fallout? You're right, forgot about that one. Pretty terrible DLC. Aristobulus posted:And books/movies get their ending changed all the time. They do, but only before the actual release date, not after. I think adding a new ending would be ok, but they definitely shouldn't change a thing in the current endings.
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Mar 19, 2012 11:51
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Attention Horse posted:They do, but only before the actual release date, not after. That is an insanely arbitrary distinction to make. EDIT: Also, it ignores the wealth of books and movies that have had their endings changed post-release with stuff like Director's Cuts, etc. etc.
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Mar 19, 2012 11:57
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Dan Didio posted:That is an insanely arbitrary distinction to make. Dramatic changes to the finales of movies are not as common as people think, but it's not as rare as others think. Many times, the stuff is planned out well in advance, since it's a pretty useful marketing tool for movie distributors looking to get extra mileage out of a film. Honestly, if this is the way they intended the games to end, then it is what it is. But even as someone who LIKES the general idea of the endings, it'd have been nice if they'd been A) handled better, with greater attention to detail, B) there'd been a lot more options/scenes to enhance the experience long time fans with imported characters for the endings, and C) give the people who wanted a happier ending what they want because I can't think of a time where that has really hurt anyone.
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Yeah, while I didn't care much for the idea of the endings, the terrible execution was what really killed it for me.
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Mar 19, 2012 12:12
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Attention Horse posted:You're right, forgot about that one. Pretty terrible DLC. Isn't Broken Steel one of the better Fallout 3 DLCs (along with Point Lookout)?
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Mar 19, 2012 12:13
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Books can be rewritten after publication too. Tolkien revised parts of The Hobbit to mesh with he story he told in LotR about the discovery of the ring.
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Mar 19, 2012 12:15
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Attention Horse posted:You're right, forgot about that one. Pretty terrible DLC. Yeah because they have focus groups to test endings before they are released. (In some cases movies with smaller releases have their endings changed when it gets a larger release)
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Mar 19, 2012 12:25
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Noxville posted:Books can be rewritten after publication too. Tolkien revised parts of The Hobbit to mesh with he story he told in LotR about the discovery of the ring. In the case of Jack Ketchum's Off Season, publisher requested the ending changed because it was that much of a sledgehammer downer so the first run of the book had the different ending until it went out of print. Ketchum had it re-released with the original ending some years back so both versions are still out there.
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Mar 19, 2012 12:33
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The MSJ posted:Isn't Broken Steel one of the better Fallout 3 DLCs (along with Point Lookout)? Sure, if you like awful unbalanced enemies.
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Mar 19, 2012 12:45
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Attention Horse posted:Fans don't make Mass Effect - Bioware does.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:04
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You don't ever romance Cortez do you? That'd be creepy as hell considering he's still mourning his husband but half my dialogue options seem to be like I'm coming on to him.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:10
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RBA Starblade posted:You don't ever romance Cortez do you? That'd be creepy as hell considering he's still mourning his husband but half my dialogue options seem to be like I'm coming on to him. He's a romance option for Meer's Shepard. Most of your interactions with him prior to that are about him dealing with his husband's death. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Mar 19, 2012 |
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Mar 19, 2012 13:12
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Dan Didio posted:He's a romance option for Meer's Shepard. Most of your interactions with him prior to that are about him dealing with his husband's death. Cortez is ME3's Thane, only more.
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skoolmunkee posted:Cortez is ME3's Thane, only more. Of course you'd compare a hispanic man to a fish-man. You humans are all racist.
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Wouldn't be the first grieving widow a Bioware protagonist romance. There was Jaheira in Baldur's Gate 2.
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