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Christ, I wish there was a way for me to experience the ending but not have to play the games (halfway through 2 before I realized that I couldn't stand it and my patience had run out). I don't know why I just can't read about it; it's not the same.
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Thanks for the advice folks, I took the plunge and got a second-hand copy of Dark Souls from Amazon. There's a Let's Play of Demon's Souls in the LP Archive that I can watch anyway.
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Palleon posted:People complaining to the BBB are obviously over the top, but the ME3 ending is just awful. It is inconsistent with the rest of the game, it's inconsistent with itself, it's full of plot holes, it's just objectively bad. Especially for a 100+ hour trilogy that you had to spend around 180-200 bucks on to play, it's a horrific ending, and them releasing a new ending is pretty much the only way that I'll even consider buying another Bioware product. But to each their own. The sad part about this huge 100+ hour trilogy based on morality and player choices with consequences is that the 95% of the game before the ending is some of the best gaming experiences probably ever created. It does it's job really well of painting the end of the trilogy and wrapping up all the loose things from the trilogy and explains in a lot more depth what has happened over the course of the three games (perfect example; Wrex from ME1 and his loyalty mission (more the live/die choice) going to Mordin in ME2 with his loyalty mission on destroying data or keeping it and then coming to a head in ME3 with a major plot point that could end in numerous different ways depending on what you did in ME1 and ME2). Then you hit the ending and it nulls everything. Everything
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It's one thing to complain about the ending; I certainly didn't like it. It's anothing thing entirely to bring something to the BBB, or to attempt to sue for false advertising. I'm not defending the ending by any means, it's dreadful, but to complain hard enough that the company decides to re-tool the ending so everyone just shuts up seems to me some sort of insane, manbaby-esque entitlement that makes me agree with the sentiments towards hardcore BioWare fans. People are bad on both sides of the coin, though, so it's hard to criticize anyone besides BioWare.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:31
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Zomodok posted:beat the game before you form an opinion on 'whiny bioware fans' being the 'absolute worst'. I'm not even referring to the ending debate. I just meant the weirdos who post about wanting to marry Liara irl or make DIY Tali sex dolls or post theories about what Quarian sweat tastes like. Like, most video game fans are terrible, but a lot of Bioware fans are terrible and creepy and also vocal. e: But yes, I will post an actual opinion on the current ending in a couple of hours!
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Mar 21, 2012 17:32
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Crowbear posted:Welp, guess I'll put off doing my last couple of ME3 playthroughs until this comes through! This is hilarious. The best part is that I'm pretty sure they won't change the ending. If anything, they'll just add a couple of scenes here and there. Good luck, Bioware!
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Mar 21, 2012 17:33
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Harlock posted:It's okay guys, it'll all be okay Wait what the hell is this.
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SpacePig posted:It's one thing to complain about the ending; I certainly didn't like it. It's anothing thing entirely to bring something to the BBB, or to attempt to sue for false advertising. I think it's okay to blame Bioware just because, somewhere along the line, someone should have said "wait a minute, is this really how we're going to end the game?". Ultimately, the guy who wrote the ending had too much power, there was a disconnect, and the whole thing could have been avoided if Bioware just communicated better between the head writer and the other writers. But now they're in the situation they're in, a lot of people are pissed, it's going to affect DLC sales, so they have to do something, it's just a matter of what and when. But I don't want to turn this thread into ME3 bitching thread number 3, so I'll just leave it at that. But I do agree that everything with ME3 up to the last 5-10 minutes was really amazing. It wasn't 95% of the game that was good, it was 99%. It's just that the last 1% soured that previous 99%. Someone said it best in the other thread: "My brother and I compared it to eating a stack of pancakes and getting to the bottom and finding a turd hidden under the last pancake. The pancakes were great but the turd at the end turns you off to pancakes entirely." Palleon fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 21, 2012 |
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Mar 21, 2012 17:37
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Yodzilla posted:Wait what the hell is this. Costume DLC for FFXIII-2 coming soon! Why? How? Who knows! Synergy! Cross-promoting!
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Morpheus posted:Christ, I wish there was a way for me to experience the ending but not have to play the games (halfway through 2 before I realized that I couldn't stand it and my patience had run out). I don't know why I just can't read about it; it's not the same. Yeah. Believe me, I thought my friends were overreacting too. But it's something you really have to see to believe. When it happens you'll still think "Well, that wasn't as bad as everyone says. Yeah it's bad, but people are overreacting." After thinking about it for a couple of hours you'll find yourself filling out complaints to the FTC and writing thesis-size fanfiction endings to find catharsis.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:45
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Also, maybe I misread or am misremembering, but wasn't there a big change in the writing staff between ME2 and 3? I can't imagine something like that would go well, regardless of the quality of the games.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:48
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I'm only near the beginning of ME2, but what I've heard about ME3 and the ending make it sound like the promise of a custom experience with lasting consequences was disingenuous.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:49
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I've never played ME. Can someone give me a cliffnotes of what's wrong with the ending?
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So PlayStation Norway is going to be announcing something tomorrow. On their Facebook, they posted this image That name, which apparently belongs to a prominent explorer of the Arctic, leads to a Norwegian website which teases an announcement for tomorrow at 20:59 local time. The music and theme sound kind of familiar right? Like Uncharted? Well it should because Sony did this before with Uncharted 3. Usual suspects for this are Uncharted 4, Uncharted Vita 2, and maybe the movie. A weird long shot bet is the Uncharted: Golden Abyss "unique online mode" supposedly in works.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:52
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Policenaut posted:So PlayStation Norway is going to be announcing something tomorrow. On their Facebook, they posted this image Dunno what the hell that is, but I do like that music. Edit: I'd be very surprised if it was another Uncharted title though, considering how recently the previous titles came out. Then again, uutforsket means unexplored, sooooo that's pretty much Uncharted. Morpheus fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Mar 21, 2012 |
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Mar 21, 2012 17:54
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Zomodok posted:beat the game before you form an opinion on 'whiny bioware fans' being the 'absolute worst'. Nah, there are people that want to sue Bioware. Those players are pretty terrible. I hated the ending too, but it was nothing worth staying worked up over for any length of time. Game storylines don't matter anyways.
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Spermando posted:I've never played ME. Can someone give me a cliffnotes of what's wrong with the ending? Very vague, generalized spoiler, as I haven't experienced it yet for myself: Doesn't matter what you did, everyone gets a virtually identical ending. Something else I've heard by accident that sounds stupid is that if people die in earlier games, they are replaced with people just like them in ME3. So much for consequences.
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Policenaut posted:So PlayStation Norway is going to be announcing something tomorrow. On their Facebook, they posted this image That's the Uncharted font on the website too. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 21, 2012 |
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Mar 21, 2012 17:56
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Spermando posted:I've never played ME. Can someone give me a cliffnotes of what's wrong with the ending? Have you ever watched Lost? It's the same deal as that ending. the truth posted:I'm only near the beginning of ME2, but what I've heard about ME3 and the ending make it sound like the promise of a custom experience with lasting consequences was disingenuous. If it's any consolation, ME2's ending AND final mission are better than 3's.
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the truth posted:Very vague, generalized spoiler, as I haven't experienced it yet for myself: Doesn't matter what you did, everyone gets a virtually identical ending. That's pretty lame if true, but I don't see why it caused so much outrage.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:58
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Spermando posted:That's pretty lame if true, but I don't see why it caused so much outrage. Because you didn't invest 100+ hours into a trilogy promising the exact opposite. It's very hard to understand why people are upset at the ending if you haven't played it and are invested in the story, if you're looking at it from an outside view, of course you're not going to understand why the people who played it are upset.
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Mar 21, 2012 17:59
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Spermando posted:I've never played ME. Can someone give me a cliffnotes of what's wrong with the ending? Oh, and you're basically Jesus, and some other alien is God. the truth posted:Something else I've heard by accident that sounds stupid is that if people die in earlier games, they are replaced with people just like them in ME3. So much for consequences.
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Definitely Uncharted. The font is called Base 02. I have it on my computer. I wrote this in Photoshop using it: 
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Policenaut posted:So PlayStation Norway is going to be announcing something tomorrow. On their Facebook, they posted this image
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It could be Uncharted Vita 2. Sony Bend doesn't have any announced projects right now I believe.
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Spermando posted:That's pretty lame if true, but I don't see why it caused so much outrage. As I said in an earlier post, the series began with a promise of a completely customized experience with lasting consequences. I don't think the ending has any of that, and it's subjectively not very good to boot. So, you have people who have invested hundreds of dollars and tens of hours, and Bioware dropped the ball at the most crucial moment. I think it's fair to avoid story driven games based on poor endings, but it's a shame to lead people on for years and leave them high and dry. On the other hand, I think it's poetic and existential that no matter what, everyone gets the same ending. That doesn't make it good or appropriate, however, as Bioware would have defended it if that is what they were going for.
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Bioware must be so happy that so many people are yelling at them. Imagine the boatloads of money they'll get for Fixed Ending DLC at $2.99 a pop.
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Policenaut posted:It could be Uncharted Vita 2. Sony Bend doesn't have any announced projects right now I believe.
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Stelas posted:Bioware must be so happy that so many people are yelling at them. Imagine the boatloads of money they'll get for Fixed Ending DLC at $2.99 a pop.
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Stelas posted:Bioware must be so happy that so many people are yelling at them. Imagine the boatloads of money they'll get for Fixed Ending DLC at $2.99 a pop. That's the most worrying part about this. Like Sanders says, this sets a precedence of releasing something half-done and getting fans to eat up your fix for just $4.99 or something.
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the truth posted:On the other hand, I think it's poetic and existential that no matter what, everyone gets the same ending. That doesn't make it good or appropriate, however, as Bioware would have defended it if that is what they were going for. It's arguable, but even if it is, a game like Mass Effect really isn't the place for poetic and existential. It's a cheesy space opera at the best of times. A good ending fits the product as a whole. A good chunk of why ME3 is so annoying is because the game is pretty good about sticking to tone throughout the entire thing and then the last five minutes are like something from a completely different product.
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Stare-Out posted:That's pretty likely, actually. Nuts. I think it'd actually kind of line up with Uncharted 2 as well. Golden Abyss was basically Uncharted 1 setting-wise, so a more arctic/snowy region would fit for matching Uncharted 2.
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Policenaut posted:It could be Uncharted Vita 2. Sony Bend doesn't have any announced projects right now I believe. But... but the first one just came out. 
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Whoever made the Uutforsket site doesn't really know how trying to link images/favicons on a website works, but this was in the source code: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="file:///Macintosh HD/Users/christiancalmar/Documents/BiFrost/Website/Nyt website/favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" /> If anyone knows who Christian Calmar is or what "Nyt" means, they could probably work out what it's all about. edit: Found this site by googling the name: http://playstadium.dk/32100/25-10-11-1643/
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Question Mark Mound posted:Whoever made the Uutforsket site doesn't really know how trying to link images/favicons on a website works, but this was in the source code: Edit: Wait, BiFrost?
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Samurai Sanders posted:If they made the DLC free as a sign of good faith, that would be slightly better. I can just imagine Bioware trying to price the ending DLC for free and EA deciding they want to monetize it; that'd be kind of hilarious. I think there's a fairly terrible precedent here either way, and not just from the companies but also from the fans. The tenet of 'bad endings in console games' has been cemented in for at least another couple years, and we might be looking at 'ending DLC' as an extra sting in the tail. On the other side, this potentially opens the door for gamers to cajole and threaten en masse about any ending they dislike and 'how dare you not change it BIOWARE DID' etc. I wouldn't want to be a game writer right now.
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Question Mark Mound posted:Whoever made the Uutforsket site doesn't really know how trying to link images/favicons on a website works, but this was in the source code: Sounds like the dude is just a marketing guy who works with Sony in Scandinavia. http://dk.linkedin.com/pub/christian-calmar/26/34a/511 e: "Bifrost Productions is a production company hailing from Copenhagen. Our passion is film making - We make music videos, interviews, viral video, web TV, events, ads, documentary, spots - You name it! We create it! We are trained communication strategists and with our expertise, we help you to reach your audience." so all the info in the link doesn't really tell us anything about the announcement.
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Stelas posted:I can just imagine Bioware trying to price the ending DLC for free and EA deciding they want to monetize it; that'd be kind of hilarious. I can't imagine any argument other than that. As for game writers, things like this make me think that game writers SHOULD feel their jobs threatened by this debacle, no matter how it turns out. I guess it's possible it will help the medium overall.
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Samurai Sanders posted:As for game writers, things like this make me think that game writers SHOULD feel their jobs threatened by this debacle, no matter how it turns out. I kind of agree, because it would be nice to see writers spurred to do a better job... but I also kind of disagree, because - ME3 aside - gamers can often be really dumb in what they like or dislike. Worst case, "HOW DARE YOU I WANT A REWRITE OF DARK SOULS' ENDING SO I GET WITH A SIDEKICK GIRL".
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Weren't the writers for the series something like this? ME: A ME2: A+B ME3: B I think people liked Mr. A and hated Mr. B.
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