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"Shinji bitchslaps Kira Yamato" is a pretty big misreading of that scene. It's based on the scene in the Gundam SEED anime where the protagonist has become a giant rear end in a top hat because he is being used by another character. He basically snaps angrily that Shinji can't understand what it is like to be forced into a fighting robot and Shinji's response is "Actually, yes, I do." It's followed by a pretty fun sequence where Shinji gets to mentor a Gundam Kid into getting over himself because Shinji had done so in an earlier game with help from earlier Gundam kids. It's payoff for Shinji's character arc and ends up with him and Kira becoming friends. Alphaverse Shinji gets some really awesome plot in general. SEED is one of those shows that ends up a lot better the more SRW fucks with it. The worst inclusion was J where they did the plot straight and it was drat near intolerable. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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Eh SEED isn't that bad. It's a average show at worst. SEED Destiny is the trainwreck.
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Apr 3, 2012 18:52
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Dr Pepper posted:Eh SEED isn't that bad. It's a average show at worst. I couldn't get into either because of the character designs. Same with Fafnir: I know I'd like the show, but... I just cannot stand the designs!
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Apr 3, 2012 19:00
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:I couldn't get into either because of the character designs. Same with Fafnir: I know I'd like the show, but... I just cannot stand the designs! Really? I couldn't get into Fafner because it's relentlessly depressing.
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Apr 3, 2012 19:04
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ImpAtom posted:SEED is one of those shows that ends up a lot better the more SRW fucks with it. The worst inclusion was J where they did the plot straight and it was drat near intolerable.
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Apr 3, 2012 19:14
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KDavisJr posted:Wait Shinji, as in Shinji "voiced by Brad Swaile" Ikari? ImpAtom posted:SEED is one of those shows that ends up a lot better the more SRW fucks with it. The worst inclusion was J where they did the plot straight and it was drat near intolerable. I really want Gundam 00 and G Gundam to get together. Three Cookies fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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Apr 3, 2012 19:20
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Shinji was voiced by Spike Spencer anyways.Endorph posted:It was tolerable in J just because Ruri popped in once in a while to call everyone idiots and you just had to sadly nod your head in agreement. Ruri calls everyone idiots no matter what though. Dr Pepper fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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Apr 3, 2012 19:33
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I really like how the Garada and Doublas sprites were done in this game, they're still the same super deformed old lovable goofy mooks of yore but way more detailed and mean looking.
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Apr 3, 2012 20:16
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ImpAtom posted:
The scene where Natarle tells the Coordinators not to blow up their ship because Lacus is on board, and everyone calls her a horrible monster for it comes to mind...
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Apr 3, 2012 23:00
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ImpAtom posted:"Shinji bitchslaps Kira Yamato" is a pretty big misreading of that scene. Context: This is during the scene in the desert (first time you fight Andrew Waltfeld) when Kira twists that one dude with the glasses' arm (after having slept with his gigantic bitch of a girlfriend). He's like, "I'm a Coordinator! You can't gently caress with me!" And then Camille from Zeta walks out and says, "Actually, we can." And Kazuya from Daimos, the literal martial arts champion of the solar system, walks out and he's like, "Yeah, we're kinda badass." And then Shinji comes out and he looks Kira in the eye and he's like, "You would gently caress with a nigga in he own house" Of course, that stage was a huge comedy of errors because they redid the entire episode verbatim for the SEED cast. They land in the desert, oh poo poo mobile suits can't walk on sand! No problem, I'm Kira Yamato, just give me 5 minutes to reprogram the operating system of my Gundam and *a squad of valkyries and literally every super in the group zoom over his head while Sandrock, Zeta, and all the other remotely usable MSes follow* and they still tried to play it straight lol
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Broken Loose posted:Context: This is during the scene in the desert (first time you fight Andrew Waltfeld) when Kira twists that one dude with the glasses' arm (after having slept with his gigantic bitch of a girlfriend). He's like, "I'm a Coordinator! You can't gently caress with me!" The best thing about SEED in Alpha 3 is that Coordinator grunts will say their racist "You Naturals will never defeat us" lines to Guy Shishioh, Hiroshi Shiba, Sanshiro Tsuwabuki, Kusuha Mizuha, Ryusei Date, and hell, I think even to Amuro Ray.
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Tobias Grant posted:The scene where Natarle tells the Coordinators not to blow up their ship because Lacus is on board, and everyone calls her a horrible monster for it comes to mind... SRW always makes SEED look stupid.
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ActionZero posted:Well to be fair, she was actually saying "Stop attacking, or we can't guarantee her safety" as a threat rather than "Stop attacking or you're going to get her killed you assholes" which would have been a much less dickish move while probably equally effective. So she was being a massive bitch. I haven't seen it, but I've heard that SEED makes SEED look stupid.
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SEED has problems with a lot of things. For starters SEED is trying to be both idealistic and realistic at the same time. The whole bit where Lacus is being held hostage to force ZAFT to hold off is the best example of this weird disconnect. On one hand Natarle is completely correct, they're about to be killed by the Blitz Gundam and she gets on the line and says "BTW your princess is actually in this battleship, retreat or you'll kill her". On the other hand the scenes are set up that Natarle is supposed to be totally in the wrong for saving the ship and everyone on it. Then Kira returns Lacus to ZAFT and everyone is shocked, SHOCKED I saw that Rau would try to shoot down their enemies after that enemy has lost their bargaining chip. It really did feel as though we're supposed to be against the actions of Natarle and Rau le Creuset despite the fact they're acting completely logically, pragmatically, and rationally. This is bad writing and stuff like it basically goes on throughout the entire series, it has less a message of "War is bad" and more "Every soldier ever is evil except for the main characters". Every non-hero in the main anime of SEED is a baby-killing villain by default and that really hurts them if they want it to be taken seriously. Let me sum up pretty much everything about SEED you need to know, by the weird morality of SEED Captain Bright Noa would probably be a bad guy, Natarle is basically his reworking whereas Murrue has more in common with Misato Kisaragi. SEED actually made it's debut in SRW Alpha 3 and I can't help but think that the plot of SEED is sort of being played almost as a parody of itself by playing it so straight. There's the whole thing where Shinji Ikari basically calls Kira for being so wangsty sure but I seriously get the feeling that SEED is actually secondary to any part of the story it's involved in. For instance the Waltfeld stages? They're actually more about Macross 7 than Gundam SEED. ZAFT and Blue Cosmos supporters have pretty much the weakest units in the game. There are a number of scenes throughout the game, not just the Shinji scene where Kira is basically made to look like an idiot and a waste of time, like one where Kira is actually hesitating against fighting the Zonderian Primevals in the GGG base because they look human. Basically one of your main characters and the Wing boys tell him to get over himself and just shoot them. The SEED bosses are also probably the easiest in the game, the Druggies were less dangerous to me than Yazan Gable who usually shows up with them. Even Rau in the Providence Gundam is really easy, he may actually be the easiest endgame boss in the game.
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I've always preferred Wing over all other Gundam iterations. All this SeeD bullshit is making my head hurt.
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Omnicrom posted:SEED actually made it's debut in SRW Alpha 3 and I can't help but think that the plot of SEED is sort of being played almost as a parody of itself by playing it so straight. There's the whole thing where Shinji Ikari basically calls Kira for being so wangsty sure but I seriously get the feeling that SEED is actually secondary to any part of the story it's involved in. For instance the Waltfeld stages? They're actually more about Macross 7 than Gundam SEED. ZAFT and Blue Cosmos supporters have pretty much the weakest units in the game. There are a number of scenes throughout the game, not just the Shinji scene where Kira is basically made to look like an idiot and a waste of time, like one where Kira is actually hesitating against fighting the Zonderian Primevals in the GGG base because they look human. Basically one of your main characters and the Wing boys tell him to get over himself and just shoot them. The SEED bosses are also probably the easiest in the game, the Druggies were less dangerous to me than Yazan Gable who usually shows up with them. Even Rau in the Providence Gundam is really easy, he may actually be the easiest endgame boss in the game. Well, one issue is that Banpresto didn't originally plan for SEED to be in Alpha 3 originally. But Bandai said "Nope put it in."
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I've always preferred Wing over all other Gundam iterations. Hate to break it to you, but Wing is right up there with SEED is terms of bullshit.
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Wing is 1000 times more stylish though. I mean, when a character's attempt to kill a guy is to get out of his giant robot and challenge him to a sword fight you know you've got something special.
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Pureauthor posted:Hate to break it to you, but Wing is right up there with SEED is terms of bullshit. Pretty much this. I'm gonna go ahead and lump 00 as a whole with Wing and SEED as well, though I heard some folks liked the first season I guess. UC Gundam or bust. (Or G Gundam, The Best Gundam)
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As long as we're talking about favorite Gundam series, has 08th MS Team ever shown up in a SRW game?
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Apr 4, 2012 02:22
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Mercury Crusader posted:
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Tobias Grant posted:X and Turn A. Gundam X bros represent.
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Dammit, now you people have made me want to see the scenes in question and I have no idea how to read Japan's moonspeak.
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Eponymous posted:As long as we're talking about favorite Gundam series, has 08th MS Team ever shown up in a SRW game? Super Robot Wars 64, GC/XO, A/A portable, Impact, and maybe some more that I don't remember.
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Apr 4, 2012 02:29
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Mercury Crusader posted:(Or G Gundam, The Best Gundam) I am obligated to appear and agree with this.
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Mercury Crusader posted:(Or G Gundam, The Best Gundam) G Gundam is essentially Gurren Lagaan that doesn't rape the laws of Physics. Rigged Death Trap posted:I've always preferred Wing over all other Gundam iterations. I never payed much attention to SEED so my head feels fine. But as pureauthor said, Wing has a lot of bullshit. Maybe it's because it's a Gundam show that tries to have it's plot be the main selling point?
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KDavisJr posted:Maybe it's because it's a Gundam show that tries to have it's plot be the main selling point? This is literally the entire point of Gundam. In any case, getting away from Gundam chat, I've never watched Shin Mazinger so I have to ask: About how many crazy super moves is the Mazinger Z going to get by the end of this game? and where's the Jet Scrander
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BlitzBlast posted:This is literally the entire point of Gundam. Mazinger Z doesn't have the Scrander in the beginning. He gains it later as a mid-season upgrade.
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BlitzBlast posted:In any case, getting away from Gundam chat, I've never watched Shin Mazinger so I have to ask: About how many crazy super moves is the Mazinger Z going to get by the end of this game? Well, first off, you need to watch Shin Mazinger. It is literally the best Super Robot show of the past decade. Some folks will say Gurren Lagann was that, but they're just bustas. Real deal OG super robot fans know the score.  Mazinger Z has fewer attacks than what is usually seen in other SRW titles, as Shin Mazinger pretty much removed a lot of attacks that seemed either redundant, unnecessary, or otherwise. So, there's no Iron Cutter, no Reitou Beam, no Drill Missiles, no Missile Punch, and so forth. What it does keep are its more trademark moves and the strength of those attacks are amped up to 11. As for your last question: it gets it later as an upgrade And for the folks that wanted to see the scene where Mazinger Z first uses the rocket punch, here you go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPI6tBQz93k Mercury Crusader fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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BlitzBlast posted:This is literally the entire point of Gundam. He gets one more standard attack and one Super Finishing Move attack for this game. As for the rest... wait until Saisei-hen.
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Dr Pepper posted:when a character's attempt to kill a guy is to get out of his giant robot and challenge him to a sword fight you know you've got something special. Char Aznable was doing this back in UC 0079 when Heero Yui was just a twinkle in a twelve-year-old girl's eye.
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00 was terrible, and KDavisJr: You really really need to go watch Gundam.
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I know I'll probably get mocked for this, but I actually liked the original Mazinger Z series more than Shin Mazinger. Granted I'm probably a bit biased since I first saw it as the butchered, mangled mess that was Tranzor Z (but I was a kid then and knew nothing of japanese anime or dubbing). I liked how in the beginning Koji had to learn to pilot his robot. I liked the occasions where one of Dr. Hell's robots had an honest advantage over Mazinger which required figuring out an upgrade; one of my favorites being Hell realizing Mazinger couldn't swim or fight underwater and began building machines designed to exploit that. Shin Mazinger was just too over the top for my tastes considering I loved the original series so much.
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Rabidredneck posted:I know I'll probably get mocked for this, but I actually liked the original Mazinger Z series more than Shin Mazinger. Granted I'm probably a bit biased since I first saw it as the butchered, mangled mess that was Tranzor Z (but I was a kid then and knew nothing of japanese anime or dubbing). You aren't alone, I've heard that point raised many times. And Shin Mazinger isn't faultless, there's a reason the first arc is known as "The Endless Knight" because the pacing can be shoddy. As for Mazinger Z in game it gets one more attack next mission and midway through gets another when it receives the Wing Scrander that lets it fly. Shin Mazinger's ultimate attacks are not in Z2-1 however, the God Scrander is saved for Z2-2.
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Omnicrom posted:You aren't alone, I've heard that point raised many times. And Shin Mazinger isn't faultless, there's a reason the first arc is known as "The Endless Knight" because the pacing can be shoddy. It's not next mission. Next mission is focused on the Worst Super Robot Ever Made.
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Rabidredneck posted:I liked how in the beginning Koji had to learn to pilot his robot. I liked the occasions where one of Dr. Hell's robots had an honest advantage over Mazinger which required figuring out an upgrade; one of my favorites being Hell realizing Mazinger couldn't swim or fight underwater and began building machines designed to exploit that. Good thing all of those things happen in Shin Mazinger! Kouji learning to pilot Mazinger happened in both episode 2 and the chapter I just showed, and the show had exactly the underwater episode you want. Caphi fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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Mercury Crusader posted:Well, first off, you need to watch Shin Mazinger. It is literally the best Super Robot show of the past decade. Some folks will say Gurren Lagann was that, but they're just bustas. Real deal OG super robot fans know the score. Actually I think you'll find that Kouji did in fact use missile punch during the beginning of the Kedora Arc  I will admit both great and Z have a lot of redundant moves, but they did give us those mashed together combos in MX that were pretty drat cool. That underwater fight in this game is pretty entertaining too since The mechbeast in question doesn't even have the move it spent half the episode using and just has a dumb ramming attack 
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Mercury Crusader posted:Well, first off, you need to watch Shin Mazinger. It is literally the best Super Robot show of the past decade. Some folks will say Gurren Lagann was that, but they're just bustas. Real deal OG super robot fans know the score. I have to refute this simply because Gaogaigar Final is still less than 10 years old. Shin Mazinger is a close second but 
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dis astranagant posted:I have to refute this simply because Gaogaigar Final is still less than 10 years old. Shin Mazinger is a close second but Dendoh 
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Pureauthor posted:It's not next mission. Next mission is focused on the Worst Super Robot Ever Made. Oh god, please please tell me that the Thread title, and this, mean what I think it does for the Rocket Punch Club.... I really need to watch that show sometime.
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