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Cream-of-Plenty posted:If that's how you feel, don't look at Joshua Graham in the GECK. Burned Man, my rear end. There's a mod for that.
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I continued the last part of "Come fly with me" and the ghouls outside the Repconn facility are still dead. Will they stay down, do enemies "respawn"?
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Apr 14, 2012 20:17
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Mr.PayDay posted:I continued the last part of "Come fly with me" and the ghouls outside the Repconn facility are still dead. Will they stay down, do enemies "respawn"? Outside of a handful of groups, enemies do not respawn.
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Apr 14, 2012 20:34
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Mr.PayDay posted:I continued the last part of "Come fly with me" and the ghouls outside the Repconn facility are still dead. Will they stay down, do enemies "respawn"? In some areas, new enemies spawn after (I believe) 3 days gametime. In other areas, they'll stay dead forever. Outdoor areas are usually in the former category, but I can't speak to the REPCONN Test Site specifically. Although ghouls are zombies, they don't recover from death in Fallout. I think there's a mod that makes them regenerate as long as they've still got a head and legs, but I'm sure you'd know if you were using it. In practice, you don't have to worry about respawns unless you visit an area multiple times over a long period. The default respawn period is more than 2 hours real time, and regardless requires you to leave the area and come back.
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Apr 14, 2012 20:36
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Ghouls aren't zombies, they're mutants. They're still biologically alive.
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I need to figure out some way to stop myself from breaking the game so thoroughly. Playing a character as an NCR ranger. Intelligence 9, Agility 7 (1 point plus small frame), left everything else. Tagged guns, survival, and repair. Fought off the powder gangers, went north to Sloan and healed the mole rat, fixed the generator, went to NCRCF and killed as many of the powder gangers as I feasibly could, harvested all their dynamite and powder charges. Went south to the Mojave Outpost, sold most of their stuff, bought a .223 pistol and a bunch of ammo, played caravan to get my money back plus about 2000 extra caps. Went to Primm Pass, used all of the explosives to kill the Blind Deathclaw. Walked to Helios, gave power to the NCR, walked to Camp McCarran and did the interrogation by passing the intelligence checks. Spoke to Colonel Hsu and got the NCR Safehouse key. Trail Carbine and NCR Veteran Ranger Armor at level 6. The worst part is that I didn't even plan it all out. I just sort of had the goal of getting that stuff in my mind, and knew the easiest way to get it was by raising NCR fame high enough, and I just kind of kept thinking, "Where can I go/what can I do to raise NCR fame while still a babby..."
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Random Stranger posted:I need to make sure I haven't screwed things up too badly. I'm pretty sure I'm okay but I'm not positive. Since I haven't been a big fan of the Legion so when I was summoned to Caesar's tent over the poker chip I went in, chatted, and then went Vandal on their asses. Obviously Legion quests are pretty much out of the question but I'm a bit worried that I may have screwed up more subtle things. Are there any gotchas I need to watch out for since I seem to have taken out these guys somewhat prematurely? Hank Morgan posted:No you are perfectly fine. You are absolutely not punished for exploring and reacting to the story whatever way you want to. I think it was this moment in the game that FINALLY rammed it into my thick head that I wasn't being railroaded into doing things, I was free to act and react entirely as I felt and I wasn't going to be penalized for it. When I got the call to see _____Caesar_____ I felt quite pissed off that I was being forced to do something that didn't fit in with the way I was playing the game. It was then I realized,"No, no I don't have to do this. In fact, instead of meekly going along to see him and hear what he has to say I can take Boone with me, get in the front gate and then go apeshit, get my weapons back and wipe every last one of those motherfuckers out. Sure I cut out one avenue of the overall story, but it made perfect sense in the context of my playthrough to do that. Rather than being penalized for it, I felt rewarded in that it strengthened my bond with Boone and unlocked his final mission, which was for ANOTHER suicide charge on the Legion. Of course now when I do my next playthrough, I can do things the opposite way and see all the stuff I cut myself off from. And for once, I actually DO want to play through the whole game again just to try out a different approach and see how different that makes things.
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Jerusalem posted:Of course now when I do my next playthrough, I can do things the opposite way and see all the stuff I cut myself off from. And for once, I actually DO want to play through the whole game again just to try out a different approach and see how different that makes things. Playing through as the Legion is worth it if only for Arizona Killer and a different perspective on the Dam. There are nowhere near as many missions, but what ones there are rule.
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Apr 15, 2012 00:59
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rope kid posted:I think the price was set on that very early (Novac was the first area we built) and may have even been in a line of VO. In any case, it never changed, even after the currency scale was inflated.
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Apr 15, 2012 02:52
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I just did the 'max out luck, go straight to New Vegas, break the bank at all casinos' start, then bought myself a killer gun from the Gun Runners and fast travelled back to Goodsprings. I'm going to just kill all the NCR I can find just to see how Caesar reacts when I show up at the Fort, because someone told me about that reaction and I sure as hell want to see it. Then, of course, I'll turn on him, wipe him out, and take over what's left of New Vegas with Yes Man at my side.
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Apr 15, 2012 05:09
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vyelkin posted:I just did the 'max out luck, go straight to New Vegas, break the bank at all casinos' start, then bought myself a killer gun from the Gun Runners and fast travelled back to Goodsprings. I'm going to just kill all the NCR I can find just to see how Caesar reacts when I show up at the Fort, because someone told me about that reaction and I sure as hell want to see it. The reaction is a lot more amusing if you don't have any reputation with the Legion.
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Apr 15, 2012 05:12
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Stroth posted:The reaction is a lot more amusing if you don't have any reputation with the Legion. Thanks for the heads up, I'll avoid doing quests and things for them.
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Apr 15, 2012 05:23
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Stroth posted:The reaction is a lot more amusing if you don't have any reputation with the Legion. Well drat guys, you can hardly say that it's the best thing ever without describing it/linking to a youtube of it.
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Apr 15, 2012 05:38
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Today I ordered a kaisar's salad. This game has ruined me.
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Utgardaloki posted:Today I ordered a kaisar's salad. But did kaisar toss your salad? 
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Apr 15, 2012 08:49
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So I just started this game like an hour ago, defended Goodsprings, and was headed out to Primm when a giant scorpion ran into town and killed Trudy (saloon owner). Will this screw anything up? I'm guessing not but just want to make sure before I go farther...
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Apr 15, 2012 20:31
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zacd posted:So I just started this game like an hour ago, defended Goodsprings, and was headed out to Primm when a giant scorpion ran into town and killed Trudy (saloon owner). Will this screw anything up? I'm guessing not but just want to make sure before I go farther... There's nothing important for the rest of the game in Goodsprings, which kinda sucks because there's not much reason to go back there after the introduction.
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Apr 15, 2012 20:34
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zacd posted:So I just started this game like an hour ago, defended Goodsprings, and was headed out to Primm when a giant scorpion ran into town and killed Trudy (saloon owner). Will this screw anything up? I'm guessing not but just want to make sure before I go farther... You are honestly not railroaded into much in this game. You can lock yourself out of some quests and paths through the game through your actions, but there's nothing where you can make yourself completely unable to get to the ending.
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Apr 15, 2012 20:42
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Mr.PayDay posted:I continued the last part of "Come fly with me" and the ghouls outside the Repconn facility are still dead. Will they stay down, do enemies "respawn"? Some of the outdoor ones will respawn, but not a whole lot, and it takes a while for them to come back.
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Apr 15, 2012 21:06
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zacd posted:So I just started this game like an hour ago, defended Goodsprings, and was headed out to Primm when a giant scorpion ran into town and killed Trudy (saloon owner). Will this screw anything up? I'm guessing not but just want to make sure before I go farther... You can kill everything you meet and still finish the game.
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Apr 15, 2012 22:20
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You can kill everything you meet and still finish the game. What was it I think rope kid said about the game being designed as if the PC had flames shooting out of his mouth killing everything he looked at or some such?
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Apr 15, 2012 22:47
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I'm having fun selectively killing almost everyone in the game. Although I finally took a hit to my NCR reputation when I killed a soldier while they were having a firefight with some Legion guys and another soldier saw for a moment before I killed him too. This, in my opinion, is a flaw in the game because there was literally no way for that other soldier to alert anyone else. There literally have to be no witnesses to a kill, you can't just kill the witnesses afterwards. I guess everyone in the NCR is telepathically linked together and instantly know if any one of them sees someone kill an NCR soldier. Although I'll just take it as Cass telling people about it, since I killed literally everyone at the Mojave Outpost except her (stealth killed everyone else in her building and she just sat there drinking the whole time). I bet if I go back she'll still just be sitting there, drowning her sorrows amid a room full of corpses. Also, I killed Manny Vargas in a firefight in the middle of Novac in broad daylight and apparently no one saw or cared, because the town is still friendly and my reputation didn't change at all. Just for that, I'll let them live for a little while.
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Kharmakazy posted:What was it I think rope kid said about the game being designed as if the PC had flames shooting out of his mouth killing everything he looked at or some such? I believe it was something like,"Imagine the PC has a flamethrower shooting out of his front AND back at ALL times.... the game must still be able to be finished!"
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Apr 15, 2012 23:19
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vyelkin posted:I'm having fun selectively killing almost everyone in the game. Although I finally took a hit to my NCR reputation when I killed a soldier while they were having a firefight with some Legion guys and another soldier saw for a moment before I killed him too. This, in my opinion, is a flaw in the game because there was literally no way for that other soldier to alert anyone else. There literally have to be no witnesses to a kill, you can't just kill the witnesses afterwards. I guess everyone in the NCR is telepathically linked together and instantly know if any one of them sees someone kill an NCR soldier. They do have radios.
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Apr 15, 2012 23:26
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Jerusalem posted:I believe it was something like,"Imagine the PC has a flamethrower shooting out of his front AND back at ALL times.... the game must still be able to be finished!" And this is almost possible to do. If it weren't for the fact that (I think) yes man won't talk to you while you are actively attacking him this would work.
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Apr 15, 2012 23:27
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Stroth posted:They do have radios. Which they don't have time to use if you are actively shooting them at the time, while they are also engaged in a firefight with Legion troops. Even if someone found the bodies, why would they assume it was me and not the Legion that killed them?
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Apr 15, 2012 23:37
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Fallout New Vegas is not literally reality, and it would be way more jarring and fake if you could walk around stealth killing everyone and then stand atop their corpse chatting with their buddies like nothing at all was amiss
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Apr 15, 2012 23:40
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Yeah I know. It's totally justified for my character to have bad NCR reputation, it just came from a weird source, and that weird source can also cause strange effects in non-kill-all-NCR playthroughs.
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Tubgirl Cosplay posted:Fallout New Vegas is not literally reality, and it would be way more jarring and fake if you could walk around stealth killing everyone and then stand atop their corpse chatting with their buddies like nothing at all was amiss Um, you can and I literally have. You don't even need much stealth to do it.
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Tubgirl Cosplay posted:Fallout New Vegas is not literally reality, and it would be way more jarring and fake if you could walk around stealth killing everyone and then stand atop their corpse chatting with their buddies like nothing at all was amiss Pretty much this. It's sort of like the "Uncanny Valley": If you try really hard to make something realistic, people will instead see it for its inevitable shortcomings. Something less realistic that makes considerations for gameplay should (hopefully) be embraced more widely than its super realistic--but inevitably flawed--counterpart.
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Kharmakazy posted:Um, you can and I literally have. You don't even need much stealth to do it.
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Apr 15, 2012 23:58
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I wish the engine had a witness system like Skyrims crime part of the engine has now. I'd totally buy this game for full price again if it was updated graphically and technically to that engine.
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Police Automaton posted:I wish the engine had a witness system like Skyrims crime part of the engine has now. I'd totally buy this game for full price again if it was updated graphically and technically to that engine. Considering historical precedent and the money involved, I'd call it a safe bet that will happen in one form or another.
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Merry Magpie posted:Considering historical precedent and the money involved, I'd call it a safe bet that will happen in one form or another. Bethesda's going to make Fallout 4 using the engine they used for Skyrim, I'd wager. Which means it'll be super pretty but the characters and plot will be deep as a puddle. 
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Merry Magpie posted:Considering historical precedent and the money involved, I'd call it a safe bet that will happen in one form or another.
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Strudel Man posted:I don't understand what you mean. When has a game been updated graphically and re-released? Perfect Dark on Xbox Live, I guess.
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Police Automaton posted:I wish the engine had a witness system like Skyrims crime part of the engine has now. I'd totally buy this game for full price again if it was updated graphically and technically to that engine. Uh, it is the same engine, just with better graphics and effects. Also, the witness system? The one where a cow or a chicken would tell of your crimes to the guards?
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Strudel Man posted:I don't understand what you mean. When has a game been updated graphically and re-released? hes just saying that the next fallout will use the skyrim engine.
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Saoshyant posted:Uh, it is the same engine, just with better graphics and effects. Also, the witness system? The one where a cow or a chicken would tell of your crimes to the guards? It kinda is and kinda isn't really, there are a lot of significant upgrades. Lots of the game logic is still mostly the same, then again, it wouldn't make sense to change things like data structures etc. for what? Also the scripting language and capabilities are a lot better and sadly kind of underused in Skyrim. Also no matter how dumb Fallout 4 will be, looking at the Stuff they did in skyrim concerning vehicles I'm almost sure we'll get cars/motorcycles this time around, that alone will make it amazing.
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Police Automaton posted:It kinda is and kinda isn't really, there are a lot of significant upgrades. Lots of the game logic is still mostly the same, then again, it wouldn't make sense to change things like data structures etc. for what? Also the scripting language and capabilities are a lot better and sadly kind of underused in Skyrim. Also no matter how dumb Fallout 4 will be, looking at the Stuff they did in skyrim concerning vehicles I'm almost sure we'll get cars/motorcycles this time around, that alone will make it amazing. Cars? I'd be satisfied with a horse! They worked in Oblivion so the framework was already there. Fake edit: I am aware that canonically horses are extinct. Bethesda should have included them anyway simply for the benefits to exploration.
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