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movax posted:That auto-BIOS update over WAN is pretty sexy. I guess my company isn't alone anymore. They are purposely kneecapping because they want you on the more expensive hardware! e: surprised that Intel is fitting another 2 3.0 sata ports in the spec by marvel. incoherent fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Apr 9, 2012 |
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From what I read 4.6GHz translates to the equivalent of an i5/i7 doing 4.9GHz?
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Wedesdo posted:http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/45720-ivy-bridge-gets-95w-tdp-worse-overclocker-than-sandy-bridge.html As a correction/addition to this: http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/45738-ivy-bridge-sells-with-95w-tdp-but-uses-a-maximum-of-77w.html Still, if the absolute dismal overclocking performance is true, then Ivy Bridge must be considered a CPU to pass on. To be fair though, Intel, you already gave us the gift of 2500K, so all is forgiven for a while. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Apr 18, 2012 |
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HalloKitty posted:As a correction/addition to this: http://www.nordichardware.com/news/69-cpu-chipset/45738-ivy-bridge-sells-with-95w-tdp-but-uses-a-maximum-of-77w.html With Ivy bridge comes the gift of discounted 2500Ks. That is amazing.
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Any idea on the possibility of Z77 Micro-ATX boards? I've been considering building the next machine with Micro-ATX because I barely use the extra peripherals, etc. that come with a full ATX.
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I would assume though, that if I'm looking to upgrade, am currently on an E8400, and don't care about overclocking, that waiting for Ivy Bridge would be the way to go?
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Sure, why not? It will be the latest and greatest, though budget i3 dual-cores might take longer to come to market. Quad cores will be out shortly, though.COCKMOUTH.GIF posted:Any idea on the possibility of Z77 Micro-ATX boards? I've been considering building the next machine with Micro-ATX because I barely use the extra peripherals, etc. that come with a full ATX. They exist. More will exist shortly as they are released.
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COCKMOUTH.GIF posted:Any idea on the possibility of Z77 Micro-ATX boards? I've been considering building the next machine with Micro-ATX because I barely use the extra peripherals, etc. that come with a full ATX. You mean this? Or this? Or any of these?
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Erdricks posted:You mean this? I should have been more specific. Whatever the latest Ivy Bridge, Intel manufactured Micro-ATX board is. If it exists.
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Intel is kinda paring down its desktop board business, judging by trends (like selling their China business to Foxconn). You could get a DB75EN, but it's an Executive-series board, not an Extreme.
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COCKMOUTH.GIF posted:I should have been more specific. Whatever the latest Ivy Bridge, Intel manufactured Micro-ATX board is. If it exists.
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nuvan posted:I would assume though, that if I'm looking to upgrade, am currently on an E8400, and don't care about overclocking, that waiting for Ivy Bridge would be the way to go? There's a serious argument to be made for jumping on a i5-2500k or an i7-2600k because there are some ridiculous deals to clear out inventory right now. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a SB and an IB CPU once it is in your system.
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Allstone posted:Just curious, but what reasons are there in particular for using an intel manufactured board? I've been purchasing Intel-reference boards for a while now, generally because I feel as though they're a bit more stable for my use. Additionally, it's a "why not just get everything from the manufacturer" kind of thing. I don't really overclock and I don't typically use the massive amount of extras/features that other motherboard manufacturers include (why would I want built-in WiFi on a motherboard?). I also feel like Intel will stick to more standardized specifications when it comes to the design/construction of their motherboards. A lot of Intel applications that integrate with their motherboards also seem to have a better quality than competing products (i.e. ASUS' fan monitoring/voltage manipulation applications). I suppose it's kind of hard to explain but my thought is if I'm going to go with Intel, I'd rather just choose a motherboard from the same company that's building the processor. It's one company making everything work together in a straight-forward fashion (Intel processor, Intel motherboard with an Intel chipset, Intel USB, Intel Gigabit LAN, etc.) Maybe I'm just being geriatric and old timey with technology. I haven't had any bad luck with sticking to Intel for as much as possible, but if they're phasing out their motherboard line then I guess I have no choice. PUBLIC TOILET fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Apr 21, 2012 |
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COCKMOUTH.GIF posted:I've been purchasing Intel-reference boards for a while now, generally because I feel as though they're a bit more stable for my use. Additionally, it's a "why not just get everything from the manufacturer" kind of thing. I don't really overclock and I don't typically use the massive amount of extras/features that other motherboard manufacturers include (why would I want built-in WiFi on a motherboard?). I also feel like Intel will stick to more standardized specifications when it comes to the design/construction of their motherboards. A lot of Intel applications that integrate with their motherboards also seem to have a better quality than competing products (i.e. ASUS' fan monitoring/voltage manipulation applications).
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Picked up an ASUS P8Z77-M Pro the other day. Had actually intended on grabbing a Z68 board for a new SNB build, but the usual place I grab parts from didn't have any in stock, so I went to a more expensive local joint, who had just gotten the Panther Point stuff in stock that week. $150AUD later, and I can't say I'm unhappy. I've been a Gigabyte fan for the past few builds after some pretty bad early experiences with ASUS gear, but I'm pretty impressed with the quality of what I assume ASUS intended to be a mid-end board. For a uATX board especially, it's got pretty much everything you'd want, without any unnecessary fluff. I can't give any feedback on performance, as the jump from my W3550 Xeon to the 2500k is a pretty substantial one, but for any prospective buyers, I can vouch for the build quality and the BIOS as both being top notch, for practically entry level money. I don't know if it'll ever get an Ivy Bridge processor, unless the gains are pretty serious or I somehow kill this i5, but knowing that I'll be able to walk into a store and buy a "sweet spot" CPU well into 2013 is pretty reassuring.
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COCKMOUTH.GIF posted:Any idea on the possibility of Z77 Micro-ATX boards? I've been considering building the next machine with Micro-ATX because I barely use the extra peripherals, etc. that come with a full ATX. I'd like to get an Intel branded Z75 board myself especially to get an Intel nic instead of Realtek. calcio fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Apr 22, 2012 |
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Is there a chance that these are early and faulty samples or is this the real deal?
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For the sake of perspective, their overclocking performance meets or exceeds that of Sandy Bridge by all appearances - lower numbers provide faster performance here, it's not just the exact cycle count, it's what's going on during said cycles and there the process shrink and transistor change (while not optimized yet) is still going to provide plenty of good stuff. It's a hell of a thing to see chips catch flak when they get a trivial 25% performance boost, with the "real overclocking work starts here" past adding a free 1000mhz to the clock speed. Expectations may be misleading people into wanting more than is really... I dunno, fair to expect. All it means in practice is that Sandy Bridge users don't have any reason to feel especially screwed or anything, which is possibly the worst reason to gripe, in my opinion?
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COCKMOUTH.GIF posted:(why would I want built-in WiFi on a motherboard?) Yeah seriously, you want WiFi on-die.
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Ivy Bridge reviews are up, Anandtech forums provides a quick list of them: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2241122
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Have any retailers actually put Ivy Bridge up for order/preorder, or is that happening on the 29th?
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As someone who has a quadcore AMD space heater in my room I can't wait to snatch up some Sandy Bridge systems as people upgrade. I just wonder if thunderbolt support will be worth it on desktop side.
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Here's the all important quote:AnandTech posted:My recommendation – if you run an overclocked Sandy Bridge system now, do not jump to Ivy Bridge. You may be severely disappointed by the overclocking performance. So yeah, people aren't going to be upgrading from Sandy Bridge. The main benefit of Ivy Bridge is actually mundane in a way - it should provide a much higher baseline for integrated graphics performance, which will make picking out a laptop in future more enjoyable, as you won't always feel like you have to keep searching for one with a dGPU. vv There's no doubt it was necessary for all these new things to come together. I'll be most interested to see laptops based on Ivy Bridge HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 23, 2012 |
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Eh, I think that the main points for Ivy Bridge were to get their 22nm process working, practical tri-gate transistors, and to lower the overall thermal profile. I think that Ivy Bridge is going to be the "look ma, it works!" in the grand scheme of things, but it's still going to be able to hold its own.
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Phone posted:Eh, I think that the main points for Ivy Bridge were to get their 22nm process working, practical tri-gate transistors, and to lower the overall thermal profile. I think that Ivy Bridge is going to be the "look ma, it works!" in the grand scheme of things, but it's still going to be able to hold its own. I'm still plenty excited for this. Increasing multiplier and not loving with voltage is all I ever really do for OC. And that's fine on IB. Coming from lynnfield, this is going to be great. tired of drat near pouring sweat while gaming because opening the windows (in winter) results in freezing ones balls to the chair.
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Coredump posted:As someone who has a quadcore AMD space heater in my room I can't wait to snatch up some Sandy Bridge systems as people upgrade. I just wonder if thunderbolt support will be worth it on desktop side. I'm sure some idiots will be doing this [2500k is only marginally slower than the 3570k, and it is easier to overclock.] But even if they did do this, IVB is socket compatible with SNB, which means its most likely that people will just be pulling on their 2600k or 2500k and dropping in the appropriate replacement. Not selling a whole system. I'm upgrading an E8400 box to IVB and I'm a bit disappointed that it isn't as good an overclocker as SNB was, but it makes sense considering its the first 22nm cpu from intel. The process is as good as it needs to be, but not as good as it will be when the next 'tock' releases.
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I held out for IVB. I want to overclock around 4.5GHz, but I only have an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Incidentally, I built my brother a 2500k rig with the same cooler last week, and his is running at 4.5Ghz with about 28/29 idle. I know coolers aren't that expensive, but it all adds to cost. I don't know whether to get the 2600k cheap or get the 3770k. Advice?
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Fruit Smoothies posted:I held out for IVB. I want to overclock around 4.5GHz, but I only have an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Incidentally, I built my brother a 2500k rig with the same cooler last week, and his is running at 4.5Ghz with about 28/29 idle. I'm running a 2500K @ 4.8 GHz right now (1.38 V) on a Coolermaster 212 Evo, and judging by the various reviews, 4.8 GHz is more-or-less impossible for Ivy without serious water cooling.
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Ulysses S. Grant posted:Have any retailers actually put Ivy Bridge up for order/preorder, or is that happening on the 29th? From what I've gleaned off my news feed, it's officially for sale from online retailers & brick & mortar stores only on the 29th.
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Some stores here are listing them as in stock as of noon today, I don't know whether they just wanna scalp preorders or are really shipping .
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tijag posted:I'm sure some idiots will be doing this [2500k is only marginally slower than the 3570k, and it is easier to overclock.] Sandy Bridge has resulted in some reeeally spoiled overclockers  I'm right there mentally, I understand what you mean, but the thing will do a trivial 25%-30% performance increase without having to do hardly anything at all, and change its default turbo behavior to turbo-on-all-cores for a quantifiable improvement in multi-threaded applications as well. If its OC ceiling is a little lower than the average Sandy Bridge chip (where we're still basically going on Asus' engineers' statements regarding overclocking capability - I know getting mine stably up to 4.7 was some work, and 4.5 was not trivially easy either), it makes up for it by having more efficient clock for clock execution. That 6-7% clock for clock improvement (still the figure, right?) goes a pretty long way when we're talking about adding more than a third again of the nominal performance to the chip. If 4.5GHz is the new 4.8GHz, we're not losing much in net performance outcomes and they've managed to actualize a really important process shrink and lithography update.
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Agreed posted:That 6-7% clock for clock improvement (still the figure, right?) OCZ's clock for clock benching says mostly 4% +/-2%. AnandTech got a smidge higher, but also a couple -1% to 0% results, and one 13% result.
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Ah, well. If the generation ends up being a poo poo sandwich and the poo poo is made out of free 25-30% performance improvement, I still feel like that's, you know, some pretty tasty poo poo.
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movax posted:Would be nice to see some PCIe 3.0 SATA/SAS HBAs for cheap NAS platforms too. I had to get a X58 over SNB because it didn't have enough PCIe lanes. Ummm ... huh? X58 only has 36 PCIe Gen2 lanes ... 72 if you buy a dual-IOH system (2 chipsets). A dual E2600 system has 80 lanes of Gen3 connected directly to the CPUs (40 lanes per CPU). The southbridges are essentially equal in both cases.
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fishmonger posted:Ummm ... huh? X58 only has 36 PCIe Gen2 lanes ... 72 if you buy a dual-IOH system (2 chipsets). Yeah, this was early 2011. Regular Sandy Bridge was a regression from X58 in terms of raw PCIe lanes available. Used X58/LGA1366 hardware was really cheap, which made the decision easier as well.
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Coredump posted:I just wonder if thunderbolt support will be worth it on desktop side.
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calcio posted:Why Z77 instead of a Z75. Are you going to use Intel SRT? Essentially, yes. I had noticed that was a feature only in the Z77. I'm on an e8400 system now so Ivy Bridge is my next step. I would just like to have all the bells and whistles and I've been leaning towards using Intel SSDs again anyway. If I'm feeling good and want to spend money then perhaps I'll lean towards SRT & RAID-0 SSDs then rely on my WHS 2011 to make daily backups in case there's a big failure.
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