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Spoiled California check in. It costs me a little more than 150 bucks a year to register 3 vehicles, and $100 of that is for my "modern car" (im expecting a $20 hike because i just put year of manufacture plates on my cadillac) The worst rust ive EVER seen is nowhere near as bad as that, cars from the 50s that have been outside since new are pretty rough, but not even half as bad as some of the horror just posted. mechanical failure? So in the early days of cars, more stock was put in to how quiet an engine could run, in the 20s and 30s this hit the crescendo with the big american car makers. so what makes a lot of noise? those gal'darn timing gears thats what.. so instead of making them out of a metal, westinghouse devised a fibrous material that held together extremely well and virtually eliminated noise and cut down on wear of the crank gear. They stuck around for many years but by the late 50s engines were making much greater power and the non metal timing gears were replaced with metal.  as we all know, plastics have come a long way since then and sometime in the 80s they thought it wise to start this practice again. to me such a crucial part of the engine should not be made of plastic, but then again... they are making intake manifolds out of plastic now, so what do I know. so a few weeks back, my friends and I took our classic cars for a road trip from LA to vegas for a car show. we made it there just fine, but on the return trip, my friends 51 chev poo poo the bed on the infamous 15 freeway. no big boom, no noise, just a dead engine, he had gas, but no spark... with limited tools we found that the distributor was not spinning. several towtrucks later, the car was home safe, he tore in to it last week to find...  hmm..  thats not a tooth missing from the metal gear, thats just debris. ok... the number one cause of failure on these gears is a lack of oil, we speculate because of heat and viscosicty changes, it just let go. for a quick lol, these cars also do not have full pressure oiling systems, instead it has "dippers" that dip in to the oil pan and throw all around the engine. full pressure became standard, again, in the late 50s. on a newer interference motor, this would have been catastrophic, but a new set of pushrods, aluminum timing gears and a weekend had the car back on the road. id say after 61 years of service, it did its job and then some. im sure there are cars out there with this same gear that are still on the road.
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Apr 22, 2012 08:53
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some texas redneck posted:
My V8 Fords have occasionally had the foot-pedal parking brake applied, either intentionally when parked on the one hill within a hundred miles or accidentally when I bump it getting out. I usually don't notice until after I've backed out and shifted into drive, because it feels slightly more sluggish than usual. I've also had the opposite problem -- my '71 Nova had a bad front wheel cylinder leaking into the drum, and once the rubber hose between frame and caliper on the front of my '84 Crown Vic rotted out. It wasn't so bad on the Ford, with its split master cylinder and power assist, and went out when I was at work three blocks from home so I could crawl through residential streets; pump the hell out of it, and it would eventually stop. The single-chamber all-manual Chevy, on the other hand, shat itself at the beginning of a 20-mile Interstate/US Highway commute. The pedal was a little squishy at the traffic lights leaving town, but it still stopped, so I decided to try to make it home to my tools. That first offramp was definitely a character-building moment. Protip: slapping a Powerglide into low gear will slow you right the gently caress down, especially with a V8. It's like shifting from fourth to first on a 4-speed. By the time I made it home I was rev-matching the downshifts to simulate normal braking forces and then tapping the e-brake to take it from idling forward to a full stop. I kinda miss that Powerglide. Accelerating at WOT, it shifted around 65mph. LobsterboyX posted:for a quick lol, these cars also do not have full pressure oiling systems, instead it has "dippers" that dip in to the oil pan and throw all around the engine.
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Apr 22, 2012 09:24
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:My friend has a Honda Civic, and is from a mountainous area, so she reflexively puts the parking brake on every time she switches off the ignition. It's rather useless and I've been trying to train her out of it, now that she's in northeast Texas. That loving car will not move with the handbrake on, as I discovered the first time I borrowed it. Sounds like it isn't the handbrake that's useless.
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Apr 22, 2012 09:45
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kastein posted:OH GOD I DROVE THIS? That's not a horrible mechanical failure. It's barely a 4 on the open Sockington scale.
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Apr 22, 2012 10:05
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Sir Cornelius posted:That's not a horrible mechanical failure. It's barely a 4 on the open Sockington scale. So it only counts when there's more daylight than metal then?
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Apr 22, 2012 10:08
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Sir Cornelius posted:a 4 on the open Sockington scale. The sockington scale needs to be an official measure.
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Apr 22, 2012 10:30
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I propose that #3 on the scale is "It's dead Jim".
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Apr 22, 2012 12:29
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nm posted:Jesus was that thing washed in salt water daily? Basically. Through advanced differential rust examination (the snowplow bracketry is around 60% as rusty as the rest of the truck) I have determined that it was a plow truck for about the last ten years, which means only being driven on wet, salty, sloppy roads and beat to hell plowing bumpy driveways, then put away still covered in salty slush and left til the next storm, which often means a few weeks or... the entire summer and fall, sitting there with salt and sand packed into every crevice, attracting humidity to the delicious bare metal. The previous previous owner was a landscaping company, so there is a good chance they bought it new and started using it as a landscaping truck in the summer and a plow truck in the winter immediately. The previous owner never even registered it, just used it to plow his driveway and his parents driveway two blocks over, so I got the landscaping company's title when I bought it, blank except for a signature and a date sometime in '08 or so. All I need it for is to let me scrap the hulk after gutting it, so no big deal... kastein fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Apr 22, 2012 |
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Apr 22, 2012 13:53
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Delivery McGee posted:My friend has a Honda Civic, and is from a mountainous area, so she reflexively puts the parking brake on every time she switches off the ignition. It's rather useless and I've been trying to train her out of it, now that she's in northeast Texas. That loving car will not move with the handbrake on, as I discovered the first time I borrowed it. Why the gently caress are you trying to "train" your friend out of parking properly? Are you also going to start training her that she doesn't need seatbelts in Texas?
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Apr 22, 2012 15:17
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So, this buddy of mine works on oil rigs, he posted this: (There are supposed to be 6 blades on that bit.)
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Apr 22, 2012 15:51
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Delivery McGee posted:My friend has a Honda Civic, and is from a mountainous area, so she reflexively puts the parking brake on every time she switches off the ignition. It's rather useless and I've been trying to train her out of it, now that she's in northeast Texas. That loving car will not move with the handbrake on, as I discovered the first time I borrowed it. Yeah, maybe you should teach her to stop using blinkers, too. Oh, and I guess there's no real need for even parking it in gear, because it's so darn flat, huh? Seriously, sit in your car with the engine off, and knock the shifter out of gear. Pretty easy to do, eh? Why would you trust your vehicle to something so easy to accidentally disengage, when there is a piece of equipment made specifically for this purpose? I have had more than one friend who would refuse to use the parking brake. And I have had more than one friend whose car wrapped itself around a tree/building because they refused to use the parking brake.
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Apr 22, 2012 15:54
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some texas redneck posted:Depends on the state. Vans are tagged as trucks here, as are S-10s and El Caminos and Bronco 2's. Yeah, but he's talking specifically about PA retardedness. Vans up to 1/2 ton are cars. SUVs up to 1/2 ton are station wagons. SUVs that they don't know poo poo about that are really 3/4 or 1 tons are also station wagons (Rovers, various older Land Crusiers, etc). Whatever....at least you aren't getting dug for weight class until 3/4 ton on a pickup or van (which adds up pretty drat quickly).
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Apr 22, 2012 16:21
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Delivery McGee posted:My friend has a Honda Civic, and is from a mountainous area, so she reflexively puts the parking brake on every time she switches off the ignition. It's rather useless and I've been trying to train her out of it, now that she's in northeast Texas. Don't do that. She's smart.
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Apr 22, 2012 16:22
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Nerobro posted:The sockington scale needs to be an official measure. A pile of rust is a 6-10 on the Sockington scale, and a house-sized pile is 11. If it has tires it's only a 5. A 4 is somewhat drivable. A perfect restoration is 1.0 Moocow. 50 mouse-scrolls worth of text is 0.3 Z3n. Professor-level advise for simple questions is 0.8 Nerobro. I thought those measurements were solidly established already?
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Apr 22, 2012 17:45
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Sir Cornelius posted:A pile of rust is a 6-10 on the Sockington scale, and a house-sized pile is 11. If it has tires it's only a 5. A 4 is somewhat drivable. This was about a 5.5, it had tires but two of them wouldn't have remained attached for long. I think I have knocked around 50lbs of rust off it so far and I am sure another 100lbs are scattered across most of central massachusetts. The frame in the pic has an inch of wafer thin rusty metal left of the vertical face of the frame rail... that had cracked in half leaving only the bottom face "intact" (less than 1/8 thick) after I jumped on the frame behind the tires a few times to see if I could break it.
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Apr 22, 2012 20:18
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kastein posted:This was about a 5.5, it had tires but two of them wouldn't have remained attached for long. I think I have knocked around 50lbs of rust off it so far and I am sure another 100lbs are scattered across most of central massachusetts. I think you're bragging. If you drove it, it's clearly just a Sockington 4.
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Apr 22, 2012 21:44
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No word of a lie, when I found some rust under my Volvo I just said to myself 'Meh, 0.2So?'
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Apr 22, 2012 21:58
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The rear quarters of my car are rusting off, but it still runs great and is inspected until 2014 so I'd say it's only about a 1.8-2So.
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Apr 22, 2012 22:16
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Random things around a friends shop...   13B-REW E-shaft with only 10k on it. Guess what did it?  
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Apr 23, 2012 04:12
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Sir Cornelius posted:A pile of rust is a 6-10 on the Sockington scale, and a house-sized pile is 11. If it has tires it's only a 5. A 4 is somewhat drivable. I'm flattered. And I think these need to be properly documented and distrubted to the rest of the internet. I want "A full Z3n" to be a measurement on #chan, and ribbet. Time to break out photoshop....
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Apr 23, 2012 06:48
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Wait, what was the baseline for 1 So - the 323 or the ae86?
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Apr 23, 2012 08:20
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LobsterboyX posted:
Nah, they never went away completely during that time. My 70's original 350 had one and sometime around 20 odd years ago it just separated from the camshaft. Did similar amounts of damage from what I was told, plus a timing cover from the chain running slack.
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Apr 23, 2012 08:35
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Phanatic posted:So, this buddy of mine works on oil rigs, he posted this: Someone's goin' fishing
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Apr 23, 2012 11:31
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kastein posted:Basically. Through advanced differential rust examination (the snowplow bracketry is around 60% as rusty as the rest of the truck) I have determined that it was a plow truck for about the last ten years, which means only being driven on wet, salty, sloppy roads and beat to hell plowing bumpy driveways, then put away still covered in salty slush and left til the next storm, which often means a few weeks or... the entire summer and fall, sitting there with salt and sand packed into every crevice, attracting humidity to the delicious bare metal. Landscaping trucks get beat to hell. When it wasn't covered in corrosive road sludge in the winter, it was probably humping dirt, mulch, sod, grass clippings and other slightly damp stuff that finds it's way into everything. It also could have had bags of ice melt or a sand/salt spreader in the back for winter. Hell, when I was doing that gig, I only hosed the back of my lawn truck out 1 time over the course of a summer because it sat full of clippings for several days and the nasty decomposing grass goo was all over the inside and bottom of the bed. In fact, we had a Dodge just like that, and it was showing early signs of the same frame rot.
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Apr 23, 2012 17:36
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Cakefool posted:Wait, what was the baseline for 1 So - the 323 or the ae86? The 240SX.
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Apr 23, 2012 22:50
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Mechanical Failures Caught in the Act. Vol. 1  Mmmm. Some hot action there. By the way, yes I am aware of that caked on dried coolant.
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Apr 24, 2012 05:54
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General_Failure posted:Mechanical Failures Caught in the Act. Vol. 1 Pfft, if you were in marketing you'd say you currently have dual-redundant kinetic energy transfer systems equipped. But yeah, I haven't seen a belt split so cleanly down the middle like that in nearly a decade... Usually it is a LOT more ugly.
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Apr 24, 2012 06:49
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Sponge! posted:Pfft, if you were in marketing you'd say you currently have dual-redundant kinetic energy transfer systems equipped. I was lucky. Whenever I have to go further than across town I give the car a once over. The belt had a line along it as you can see. I touched it and it ripped. It was so borderline I doubt it would have made it ten minutes down the road. After I took it off it split most of the way around. Even luckier I called the mechanic as soon as I found it. I caught them just before their daily order. The replacement belt arrived there about lunch so I put it on. Took me about ten minutes including searching for the 3/8 breaker bar and extension for the tensioner. Besides the brain farts mis-routing the belts it would have taken me all of a minute for the whole job. The car may give me the shits but the belt is dead easy with the engine cowling off. The tensioner is pretty bad and I'm going to take some pics to see if any U.S. goons recognise the part as the motor is a mixed bag and the tensioner commands a high price here.
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Apr 24, 2012 10:02
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There is a matching groove on that tensioner pulley. Does it have some sort of ridge or lip there? Is something dragging on the belt around there?
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Apr 24, 2012 17:08
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Ridge_Runner_5 posted:There is a matching groove on that tensioner pulley. Does it have some sort of ridge or lip there? Is something dragging on the belt around there? More likely the belt ran for a bit with the split in it and left the polish on the parts it touched while the frayed ends did that.
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Apr 24, 2012 18:22
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Don't think you can buy a cheap beater to run errands with in Florida and not get reamed. Not counting sales tax, it is $450 to get a loving new tag here, thanks to Dick Scott. The tag for my beater S-10 that I really only use to shuttle hay rolls from the feed shop was literally 30% of the cost of the entire vehicle.
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Apr 24, 2012 18:24
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As military stationed in Oklahoma (Florida legal resident) it was cheaper for me to pay the OK fees and register the new car here than transfer my plates from my old car, which had 18 months left before expiration.
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Apr 24, 2012 18:27
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Dradien posted:Nah, vans are tagged as cars. My 1999 Voyager is a Hxx-xxxx, so cheap registration for me! I mean actual vans, like the ford E-series, etc. Not minivans.
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Apr 24, 2012 18:37
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My 1999 Montana did the same thing to a belt. When it did, it was because the harmonic balancer had gone out and was slowly sliding off the shaft. When I found it, the half belt that had split was already missing from the vehicle. The day after I found that split belt as I was driving it to Autozone, it too snapped and fled around 1/4th mile from the store. I pulled in, bought a belt and a balancer and did them in the parking lot. I have the 3400, is that the same style motor? The routing looks identical.
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Apr 24, 2012 19:31
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Please tell me you did it in your underwear with a gun in your mouth.
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Apr 24, 2012 19:43
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Ridge_Runner_5 posted:There is a matching groove on that tensioner pulley. Does it have some sort of ridge or lip there? Is something dragging on the belt around there? That's the funny thing about that groove in the belt. Nothing quite matches it. Nothing dragging, all pulleys / accessories spin fine. There is some strangeness to the tensioner pulley yes. It's not a groove in the middle though. It has an irregular surface with a zigzagging sort of pattern on it which I believe to be from different hardness of the plastic and different wear rates. That pulley is old. And I can't replace it. Well, I could if I had the cash. Just on this model the pulley shaft is pressed (or something) into the tensioner, making the lovely plastic pulley integral to it. The current going rate for a new tensioner seems to be about $350. Someone up north had a friend that could have gotten one a bit cheaper but it was still too much cash to come up with for that transient deal. Now I know this motor shares parts with various U.S. models which is why I want to see if I can get something less butt-rape-ingly expensive over there. Better than the EGR valve. The solenoid isn't responding to the ECU. Aftermarket part for that is $650. Of course I said "gently caress that!".
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Apr 25, 2012 00:15
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thecobra posted:Please tell me you did it in your underwear with a gun in your mouth. I can confirm that the Montana has made me want to put a gun in my mouth quite a bit. Also, I don't wear underwear.
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Apr 25, 2012 00:23
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Micromancer posted:I can confirm that the Montana has made me want to put a gun in my mouth quite a bit. Also, I don't wear underwear. Um, pictures beg to differ.
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Apr 25, 2012 03:24
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sharkytm posted:Um, pictures beg to differ. those used to be shorts. His rear end was hungry that day.
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