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tip shat
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Necc0 posted:if youre willing to move 45k is almost offensively low even if youre a lovely programmer. i earn much less =/
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May 1, 2012 10:02
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but then again, since im not hired as a programmer, i just program for my work when business is going slow. sometimes in my spare time b/c its a fun hobby oh my god im getting owned
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May 1, 2012 10:17
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Necc0 posted:if youre willing to move 45k is almost offensively low even if youre a lovely programmer. That depends on the job market you're at. Around here, 45k is pretty much top of the scale for most developers, although the cost of living is usually much lower because it's far and close to the woods. Near shoring is an interesting alternative then.
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May 1, 2012 12:46
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has anyone mentioned Go yet, the Programming Language by Google?? bc thats okay really i dont think anyone uses it or cares tbqf
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May 1, 2012 13:22
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newreply.php posted:has anyone mentioned Go yet, the Programming Language by Google?? http://okcupid.theresumator.com/apply/dLKYbq/Software-Engineer.html
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May 1, 2012 13:44
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Ronald Raiden posted:also, reminder that Anal Volcano still needs to learn some languages that aren't javascript, also that just because you can make lovely 10 year old desktop applications in your browser doesn't mean you should.
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May 1, 2012 13:57
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:sounds like someone couldn't hack it at state college! ...says the guy who is begging for 45k
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May 1, 2012 14:40
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45k? is that a joke is not funny
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May 1, 2012 14:43
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I asked for and received 60k because I didn't know any better and later got bumped to 72k because company I work for is looking to get an h1b for 71k. So at least in the DC area I guess you can get 75k just for having a CS degree and knowing what an iterator is
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May 1, 2012 15:03
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one of the key systems we deal with at work is our risk management system, which every trade passes through where it's inspected to see how it will affect our exposures in various asset classes, and is accepted, rejected or modified accordingly as you can imagine this code is a very busy place and vital to get right as too much risk means we blow up the desk and not enough means we gently caress up our bonuses, it's actually a very well designed and written chunk of C where the core switching (concurrency management) logic is about 1200 lines of hand-tuned thread and process management involving custom locks, semaphores and multiple types of ITC/IPC as a learning exercise I just rewrote it in ~430 lines of much more readable Clojure using nothing but pure functions, which (assuming I interpreted the switching rules correctly) guarantees it's immune from concurrency problems, which account for the bulk of the 700+ unit tests for the core 
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May 1, 2012 15:26
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clojure is rapidly becoming my favorite language
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May 1, 2012 15:39
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post ur erdos #
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May 1, 2012 15:51
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Panic! At The cisco posted:post ur erdos # if i actually went back for grad school under the prof who wanted to advise me it would have been 3
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:clojure is rapidly becoming my favorite language i think i really need to sit down and wrap my head around clojure. i already have a ton of common lisp under my belt but i've never really used java in a serious context
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May 1, 2012 15:54
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Panic! At The cisco posted:post ur erdos # im #2 from tony hoare irl
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:...says the guy who is begging for 45k *fingers crossed*
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May 1, 2012 16:03
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Nomnom Cookie posted:I asked for and received 60k because I didn't know any better and later got bumped to 72k because company I work for is looking to get an h1b for 71k. So at least in the DC area I guess you can get 75k just for having a CS degree and knowing what an iterator is i get 60k just for knowing HTML, CSS, some jQuery and being able to think abstractly and not being an idiot slacker lol
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May 1, 2012 16:39
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:my expectations are low because this would be my first job in the field but as i understand it these guys are desperate for warm bodies swing harder
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May 1, 2012 16:43
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have you said you're unwilling to move yet? like why are you still seriously gunning for 45k, its embarrassing
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May 1, 2012 17:43
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baby's first salary job
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TiMBuS posted:but then again, since im not hired as a programmer, i just program for my work when business is going slow. sometimes in my spare time b/c its a fun hobby oh my god im getting owned yup
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May 1, 2012 18:00
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TiMBuS posted:but then again, since im not hired as a programmer, i just program for my work when business is going slow. sometimes in my spare time b/c its a fun hobby oh my god im getting owned eugh, im missing so much mockables today wtf arent you smart? get hired and paid for the things you do
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May 1, 2012 18:08
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May 1, 2012 18:22
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Fren posted:i think i really need to sit down and wrap my head around clojure. i already have a ton of common lisp under my belt but i've never really used java in a serious context if you know clisp it should take no time at all, for me java interop is important, ymmv I looked at other jvm functional languages/java libs, scala is trying to replace java and does too much imo, java's own functional stuff is an awful bolt-on, functionalJava acts as a bolt on as well, with that approach I can imagine everything written will be traditional java with a few functional bits here and there, not really suited for the complex concurrency problems I'm looking at these languages to solve add to that the lisp metaprogramming and clojure really does seem to be exceptionally powerful but I haven't actually deployed anything with it yet so take that for what it's worth
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May 1, 2012 18:31
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have you tried actually problem solving instead of expecting a language to save you
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May 1, 2012 18:36
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ahhh spiders posted:have you tried actually problem solving instead of expecting a language to save you having the language prevent concurrency issues from even being valid is p sweet
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May 1, 2012 18:38
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:having the language prevent concurrency issues from even being valid is p sweet wow! a real live silver bullet!
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May 1, 2012 18:42
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ahhh spiders posted:have you tried actually problem solving instead of expecting a language to save you why not both
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ahhh spiders posted:wow! a real live silver bullet! it's obviously not 100% panacea but it helps tremendously
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ahhh spiders posted:wow! a real live silver bullet!
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May 1, 2012 19:07
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Janin posted:any time you can offload some sort of annoying mechanical process to the compiler, it's a huge win. what you just said makes no sense. then again, you're Janin
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May 1, 2012 19:11
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ahhh spiders posted:have you tried actually problem solving instead of expecting a language to save you I know this may be hard to comprehend as a 20 something android developer but once upon a time programmers had to manage their own memory, and it was such a clusterfuck for the average code walloper that languages like java/c#/vb/ruby/python/etc were invented and became massively successful in part because they delivered the silver bullet of not needing manage your own memory yes you can still get into trouble in those languages if you're dumb about releasing resources but it's literally a million times harder so yeah these things exist, sorry if your fred brooks book said otherwise
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May 1, 2012 19:13
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Janin posted:any time you can offload some sort of annoying mechanical process to your reports, it's a huge win.
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May 1, 2012 19:15
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ahhh spiders posted:what you just said makes no sense. then again, you're Janin there are somewhat modern abstractions around concurrency that makes human management of primitives like locks and monitors unnecessary. if that's beyond your grasp then i recommend reading a lot
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May 1, 2012 19:16
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yeah come on this magic box is taking care of everything and always will and will never fail, come on get with the times gramps!!!
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May 1, 2012 19:18
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Nomnom Cookie posted:420 get promoted to management erryday i've had managers tell me that i'd make a good manager and my knee-jerk reaction is to shout "OH HELL NO!" and run away they seriously sit in meetings all loving day who wants to do that?
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May 1, 2012 19:21
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Internaut! posted:I know this may be hard to comprehend as a 20 something android developer but once upon a time programmers had to manage their own memory, and it was such a clusterfuck for the average code walloper that languages like java/c#/vb/ruby/python/etc were invented and became massively successful in part because they delivered the silver bullet of not needing manage your own memory lol you're such a condescending moron
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seriously loving kill yourself
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