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BackInTheUSSR posted:I didn't know people still hated Bill Simmons. I thought we had come full circle on him. He's good at his job he's what now I do think he did a nice job with some of the Grantland hires and with 30 for 30, but his actual columns are still really bad and filled with all sorts of bullshit arguments that then are irritatingly aped elsewhere by his legion of dumb fans. That's probably more pronounced if you're an NBA fan though, since he's much more of an annoying self-proclaimed expert when it comes to basketball.
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May 2, 2012 21:31
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MourningView posted:he's what now I'd give anything to have an NBA team call him up and say "OK Bill, you're our new GM. Good luck." I would love to see him fail at every conceivable aspect of the job.
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May 2, 2012 21:39
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Simmons is also a hockey expert now, just years after trashing the NHL in his Red Sox book and saying the Bruins lost him as a fan. Funny what a Cup run will do. I don't think it's too suspicious that nobody from ESPN met Sarah Phillips, I do some freelancing and I've never met most of the people I've worked for face-to-face. It's the Twitter stuff and the NBA meme guy that surprise me: it blows my mind that people care so much about their follower count that they're willing to pay to gain more. And you're telling me a guy who copies and pastes photos off ESPN articles had no idea he was infringing copyright?
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May 2, 2012 21:39
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haljordan posted:I'd give anything to have an NBA team call him up and say "OK Bill, you're our new GM. Good luck." I would love to see him fail at every conceivable aspect of the job. Can he out-Michael Jordan Michael Jordan?!
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May 2, 2012 21:40
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Yeah, Bill Simmons remains lacking as a writer but his managerial skills to date have been stellar. He consistently provides Grantland with interesting, timely articles written by skilled writers*. *Applies only to sports content, Hollywood Prospectus is still very out there.
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May 2, 2012 21:40
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Brotax posted:Can he out-Michael Jordan Michael Jordan?! He would make Michael Jordan look like Red loving Auerbach.
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May 2, 2012 21:41
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Yeah, Bill Simmons remains lacking as a writer but his managerial skills to date have been stellar. He consistently provides Grantland with interesting, timely articles written by skilled writers*. I don't know, that one guy who used to write reviews of lovely netflix movies and the Rachel Ray/Guy Fierri celebrity cooking challenge with Lou Diamond Phillips and Coolio was pretty alright.
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May 2, 2012 21:43
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R.D. Mangles posted:I don't know, that one guy who used to write reviews of lovely netflix movies and the Rachel Ray/Guy Fierri celebrity cooking challenge with Lou Diamond Phillips and Coolio was pretty alright. 
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May 2, 2012 21:44
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haljordan posted:Man, that stove looks awesome as poo poo. Can you crossfade that poo poo? Like, make the deck quieter in exchange for more heat on the burner?
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May 2, 2012 21:46
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Yeah, Bill Simmons remains lacking as a writer but his managerial skills to date have been stellar. He consistently provides Grantland with interesting, timely articles written by skilled writers*. I don't know, the guy Grantland has writing about ACC basketball is really awful
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May 2, 2012 21:47
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Brotax posted:Man, that stove looks awesome as poo poo. Can you crossfade that poo poo? Like, make the deck quieter in exchange for more heat on the burner? Coolio will probably unlock the secrets of the stove/turntable in exchange for some crack rocks.
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May 2, 2012 21:48
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Regulars have definitely been hit-or-miss, but when he gets guest pieces like the oral history of The National or the article from that female Boston Globe reporter or anything by Jane Leavy, those bring up the whole site.
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May 2, 2012 21:49
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To be fair, all I consistently read from Grantland is stuff either by Mark Titus or Chuck Klosterman. There's been a couple other articles here and there that have been decent, but Grantland is far from a frequent stop for me.
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May 2, 2012 21:53
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May 2, 2012 21:54
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Shane Ryan is really bad and unfunny, I like most of the other stuff, that's my Grantland story.
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May 2, 2012 21:55
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As far as I can tell, the basketball content on Grantland tends to be better than the rest of their regular sports coverage. I do like Bill Barnwell's NFL stuff, though.
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May 2, 2012 21:57
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I was told something about ESPN recently that blew me away, figured this was the right thread. I have no idea if this is common knowledge and I should have already known it, but if you have cable, 20% of your cable bill goes right to ESPN. They bring in roughly 550 million dollars a month from cable companies before they ever sell a commercial. Makes the whole not-good-at-sports-reporting even more frustrating.
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May 2, 2012 21:58
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mikeraskol posted:I was told something about ESPN recently that blew me away, figured this was the right thread. I have no idea if this is common knowledge and I should have already known it, but if you have cable, 20% of your cable bill goes right to ESPN. They bring in roughly 550 million dollars a month from cable companies before they ever sell a commercial. Makes the whole not-good-at-sports-reporting even more frustrating. They get the highest carriage fees on cable by far at this point, yeah.
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May 2, 2012 21:59
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Almost no sports media is actually good at sports.
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May 2, 2012 22:00
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mikeraskol posted:I was told something about ESPN recently that blew me away, figured this was the right thread. I have no idea if this is common knowledge and I should have already known it, but if you have cable, 20% of your cable bill goes right to ESPN. They bring in roughly 550 million dollars a month from cable companies before they ever sell a commercial. Makes the whole not-good-at-sports-reporting even more frustrating. I didn't know that, but I can't say it's all that surprising. I know that the only thing I really miss about not having cable is being able to watch things that ESPN covers. If I was going to get a cable subscription, I'd be getting it for sports, not to watch Swamp People. And I can think of at least a handful of people off the top of my head who would probably say the same thing.
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May 2, 2012 22:02
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jeffersonlives posted:They get the highest carriage fees on cable by far at this point, yeah. Estimates peg it at $4.69 per subscriber per month. For perspective, TNT is around 99 cents, USA is 55 cents. In fact, almost every other channel is well under a dollar (most are even well under 50 cents).
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May 2, 2012 22:02
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ESPN has tons of exclusive content that's guaranteed to bring in eyeballs of males between 18-49 and has always been really aggressive in negotiating its carriage fees, but that's still way more than I would have expected
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May 2, 2012 22:04
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May 2, 2012 22:06
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Mornacale posted:Grantland is cool because they interviewed me that one time. Douchebag of the year is a prestigous award.! Also, I know this is where folks usually post about established journalists, but can we also have a moment of hate for the Crossing Broad folks' upskirt routine today?
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May 2, 2012 22:12
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barkingclam posted:Simmons is also a hockey expert now, just years after trashing the NHL in his Red Sox book and saying the Bruins lost him as a fan. Funny what a Cup run will do. It's not even the Bruins anymore either. Back in the fall he bought Kings season tickets and wrote about how great hockey is. Then he forgot about that once the NBA lockout ended, and surprise surprise started tooting their horn when the playoff rolled around because they beat Vancouver.
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May 2, 2012 22:13
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Hating Simmons is easy but he's been tweeting/writing about how much his daughter loves the Kings since last season at least. You can't hate someone for making their kid happy,
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May 2, 2012 22:21
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ElwoodCuse posted:It's not even the Bruins anymore either. Back in the fall he bought Kings season tickets and wrote about how great hockey is. Then he forgot about that once the NBA lockout ended, and surprise surprise started tooting their horn when the playoff rolled around because they beat Vancouver. Who cares. If it gets more people interested in hockey that's cool, but I just don't see why this bothers people.
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May 2, 2012 22:21
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mikeraskol posted:Who cares. If it gets more people interested in hockey that's cool, but I just don't see why this bothers people. It only bothers me because he won't just come out and admit he's a frontrunner. With the Bruins, he used some BS excuse about hating the owners, even though that hadn't changed by the time they were in the Finals.
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May 2, 2012 22:22
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Indeed, isn't Simmons huge on having rules and poo poo to discern who is a True Fan (much like his absurd rankings for playoff heartbreak or whatever the gently caress)?
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May 2, 2012 22:27
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haljordan posted:It only bothers me because he won't just come out and admit he's a frontrunner. With the Bruins, he used some BS excuse about hating the owners, even though that hadn't changed by the time they were in the Finals.  A thief of souls!
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May 2, 2012 22:29
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Zorkon posted:This tweet is one I saved from the Kessel trade, on September 18, 2009: I'm not a huge hockey fan; was it really an abominable trade or is it just Simmons overreacting again?
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May 2, 2012 22:38
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haljordan posted:I'm not a huge hockey fan; was it really an abominable trade or is it just Simmons overreacting again? Toronto got Phil Kessel, Boston got two first round picks (one of which ended up being the second overall, which they used to draft Tyler Seguin) plus some other stuff. Boston made out like devils in that deal.
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May 2, 2012 22:41
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May 2, 2012 22:42
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May 2, 2012 22:43
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:This is very true but we as a society like to prevent stupid people from harming themselves so often, using laws. Yeah I mean I'm not saying she shouldn't be prosecuted/exposed for scamming, it's just that I don't think this is the huge ~~MYSTERY~~ that Deadspin is running it as. Some idiots on the internet gave their money/websites/twitter pages to someone because they're idiots. And really now that they're digging up her high school past and her relationship with this guy and her yearbook photos I think it's just tired and ridiculous
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May 2, 2012 22:47
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My hunch is on her getting sold on being a famous / rich e-personality, and that they started doing lots of shady stuff in her name that she didn't know that much about. edit: They being that guy she knew or a group coming up with these get rich scams.
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May 2, 2012 22:59
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stuart scott irl posted:\And really now that they're digging up her high school past and her relationship with this guy and her yearbook photos I think it's just tired and ridiculous To be fair I think that's Awful Announcing doing that and not Deadspin.
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May 2, 2012 23:03
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stuart scott irl posted:Yeah I mean I'm not saying she shouldn't be prosecuted/exposed for scamming, it's just that I don't think this is the huge ~~MYSTERY~~ that Deadspin is running it as. Some idiots on the internet gave their money/websites/twitter pages to someone because they're idiots. I could understand the bit where everyone involved goes "well, she works for ESPN so I assume it has to be halfway legitimate" to an extent, but yeah the whole entire deal just sounded like a giant pyramid scheme or one of those emails where you send someone a ton of money and they make you a millionaire.
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Akileese posted:I could understand the bit where everyone involved goes "well, she works for ESPN so I assume it has to be halfway legitimate" to an extent, but yeah the whole entire deal just sounded like a giant pyramid scheme or one of those emails where you send someone a ton of money and they make you a millionaire. Well, you know, those e-mails exist because sometimes they work.
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