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Catalyst-proof: May 11, 2011; better waste some time with you

I mean sure, but I kind of feel like once you reach a certain point as a programmer, you realize that you could either religiously memorize the non-transitive points of equality in your programming language, or you could... find a language that does the work it's supposed to, while you do the work you're supposed to. Gah, I don't know.

# ? May 10, 2012 21:01

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 22:04

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Janin posted:

I never get tired of posting this.

and

to tef

ps I'm not sure what you meant earlier when you said 'elided' braces. Elision is the omission of one or more sounds in a word such that it's easier for the speaker to pronounce. I'm not sure what the analog to this with regards to braces would be - maybe something like

code:

if (foo())
    bar();

# ? May 10, 2012 21:50

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

I can sorta understand 0 == null and "" == null but "php" == 0 is :wtf:

.

Someone explain that to me.

# ? May 10, 2012 22:03

Golbez: Oct 9, 2002; 1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

MEAT TREAT posted:

I can sorta understand 0 == null and "" == null but "php" == 0 is .

Someone explain that to me.

When one operand is a string and the other is an integer, it juggles the string to a number for comparison. If the string begins with numeric data (optional sign, number, optional exponent), it evaluates as that number. Otherwise, it evaluates as 0.

From PHP.net:

php:

<?
$foo = 1 + "10.5";                // $foo is float (11.5)
$foo = 1 + "-1.3e3";              // $foo is float (-1299)
$foo = 1 + "bob-1.3e3";           // $foo is integer (1)
$foo = 1 + "bob3";                // $foo is integer (1)
$foo = 1 + "10 Small Pigs";       // $foo is integer (11)
$foo = 4 + "10.2 Little Piggies"; // $foo is float (14.2)
$foo = "10.0 pigs " + 1;          // $foo is float (11)
$foo = "10.0 pigs " + 1.0;        // $foo is float (11)  
?>

Golbez fucked around with this message at 22:18 on May 10, 2012

# ? May 10, 2012 22:14

Strong Sauce: Jul 2, 2003; You know I am not really your father.

I would say I'm pretty well seasoned in PHP, but 1) I never knew == was not transitive and 2) I never knew "php" == 0 is true, which is probably why I assumed == would be transitive.

Man, that is truly horrible.

# ? May 10, 2012 22:28

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Golbez posted:

** Most people simply go for /[^A-Za-z ]/, without realizing the single space part of the instructions.

unicode

Otto Skorzeny posted:

and to tef

tef fucked around with this message at 22:50 on May 10, 2012

# ? May 10, 2012 22:44

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

Otto Skorzeny posted:

ps I'm not sure what you meant earlier when you said 'elided' braces. Elision is the omission of one or more sounds in a word such that it's easier for the speaker to pronounce. I'm not sure what the analog to this with regards to braces would be - maybe something like
code:
if (foo())
    bar();
?

Yes.

tef posted:

What happened to your old avatar? I liked that one.

# ? May 10, 2012 23:05

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Otto Skorzeny posted:

and to tef

ps I'm not sure what you meant earlier when you said 'elided' braces. Elision is the omission of one or more sounds in a word such that it's easier for the speaker to pronounce. I'm not sure what the analog to this with regards to braces would be - maybe something like
code:
if (foo())
    bar();
?

In the JVM there is the concept of lock elision where if the JVM detects it can remove a lock it will do so

# ? May 10, 2012 23:20

Zhentar: Sep 28, 2003; Brilliant Master Genius

Zamujasa posted:

Besides, I can't help but think that localization issues might cause problems, too. Does it always use "days"? (Then again, PHP in general seems to barf all over localization formatting.)

If it's localization you're worried about, you already got yourself into trouble earlier...

Zamujasa posted:

The documentation says 0 == Sunday and 6 == Saturday.

A number of countries (mostly in the Middle East) consider the weekend to be Friday and Saturday, and some consider it Thursday and Friday.

# ? May 10, 2012 23:21

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

ToxicFrog posted:

What happened to your old avatar? I liked that one.

So did I

Some ie9 user got butthurt that my avatar crashes/slows down their browser

# ? May 11, 2012 00:04

raminasi: Jan 25, 2005; a last drink with no ice

Does anyone know anything about Modelica? Because I'm in a training seminar and it's looking like Modelica inheritance exists as a shorthand for composition rather than as a facility for any sort of substitutability semantics. Is that a horror? It feels like one.

# ? May 11, 2012 00:29

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

Zhentar posted:

If it's localization you're worried about, you already got yourself into trouble earlier...

A number of countries (mostly in the Middle East) consider the weekend to be Friday and Saturday, and some consider it Thursday and Friday.

I was operating under the assumption that getdate() always returned the same values (being numerical), while text-based functions like strtotime() and date() would be localized.

# ? May 11, 2012 00:42

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

MEAT TREAT posted:

"php" == 0 is .

Someone explain that to me.

It follows the tradition of Microsoft BASIC and Perl so there's nothing to explain. :smug:

# ? May 11, 2012 01:30

TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT: Oct 12, 2008; this is what happens when you take UI design away from engineers and give it to a bunch of hipster art student "designers"

Otto Skorzeny posted:

ps I'm not sure what you meant earlier when you said 'elided' braces. Elision is the omission of one or more sounds in a word such that it's easier for the speaker to pronounce. I'm not sure what the analog to this with regards to braces would be - maybe something like
code:
if (foo())
    bar();
?

exactly

# ? May 11, 2012 01:40

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Ps i love performing strength reduction when my crappy compiler won't it just brightens my day so much!

# ? May 11, 2012 02:05

narbsy: Jun 2, 2007

Not to jump on the PHP bandwagon, but: Aspect Oriented Programming in PHP

# ? May 11, 2012 02:05

Bruegels Fuckbooks: Sep 14, 2004; Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

narbsy posted:

Not to jump on the PHP bandwagon, but: Aspect Oriented Programming in PHP

What the gently caress?

# ? May 11, 2012 03:28

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

Semantically significant comments. Hell loving yes.

# ? May 11, 2012 03:36

Bruegels Fuckbooks: Sep 14, 2004; Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

yaoi prophet posted:

Semantically significant comments. Hell loving yes.

I like how you actually have to 'compile' your php code if you use that framework. Just what php needs.

# ? May 11, 2012 03:39

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

Which of course raises the question, why have the directives in the comments?

# ? May 11, 2012 03:40

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Extending the syntax generally breaks IDEs and such.

# ? May 11, 2012 04:07

Simulated: Sep 28, 2001; Lowtax giveth, and Lowtax taketh away.; College Slice

Plorkyeran posted:

Extending the syntax generally breaks IDEs and such.

Hello attributes/annotations, nice to meet you!

# ? May 11, 2012 04:45

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Plorkyeran posted:

Extending the syntax generally breaks IDEs and such.

As a C++ programmer I would argue that thats half fun!

:smithicide:

# ? May 11, 2012 04:56

Captain Capacitor: Jan 21, 2008; The code you say?

tef posted:

So did I

Some ie9 user got butthurt that my avatar crashes/slows down their browser

Break all the browsers!

# ? May 11, 2012 05:52

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

narbsy posted:

Not to jump on the PHP bandwagon, but: Aspect Oriented Programming in PHP

I wonder when colleges will start offering Underwater Aspect Weaving.

# ? May 11, 2012 05:57

Goat Bastard: Oct 20, 2004

Golbez posted:

php:

<?
$foo = 1 + "10.5";                // $foo is float (11.5)
$foo = 1 + "-1.3e3";              // $foo is float (-1299)
$foo = 1 + "bob-1.3e3";           // $foo is integer (1)
$foo = 1 + "bob3";                // $foo is integer (1)
$foo = 1 + "10 Small Pigs";       // $foo is integer (11)
$foo = 4 + "10.2 Little Piggies"; // $foo is float (14.2)
$foo = "10.0 pigs " + 1;          // $foo is float (11)
$foo = "10.0 pigs " + 1.0;        // $foo is float (11)  
?>

just saying

# ? May 11, 2012 10:39

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

A horror by mine own hand:

code:


void contConcHelper(int level, NSString *inLine, NSString **outInitial, NSArray **outSubLines) {
  NSMutableArray *lines = [[inLine componentsSeparatedByCharactersInSet:[NSCharacterSet newlineCharacterSet]] mutableCopy];
  
  NSString *initial = nil;
  NSMutableArray *subLines = [NSMutableArray array];
  
  for (NSString *line in lines) {
    if ([line length] <= 248 && [line rangeOfString:concSeparator].location == NSNotFound) {
      //line's good to go.
      
      if (initial == nil) {
        initial = line;
      } else {
        //we already set the first line so make a CONT node
        [subLines addObject:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"%d CONT %@", level+1, line]];
      }
    } else {
      //we need to split the line on >248 or concSeparator
      
      NSString *leftover = line;
      
      BOOL firstPass = YES;
      
      while ([leftover length] > 248 || [leftover rangeOfString:concSeparator].location != NSNotFound) {
        NSUInteger toIndex = 248; //assume length is the reason
        NSUInteger fromIndex = 248;
        if ([leftover rangeOfString:concSeparator].location != NSNotFound) {
          // split on concSeparator
          toIndex = [leftover rangeOfString:concSeparator].location;
          fromIndex = toIndex + [concSeparator length];
        }
        NSString *bite = [leftover substringToIndex:toIndex];
        leftover = [leftover substringFromIndex:fromIndex];
        
        if (firstPass) {
          if (initial == nil) {
            initial = bite;
          } else {
            [subLines addObject:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"%d CONT %@", level+1, bite]];
          }
        } else {
          //we already set the first line so make a CONC node
          [subLines addObject:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"%d CONC %@", level+1, bite]];
        }
        
        firstPass = NO;
      }
      
      [subLines addObject:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"%d CONC %@", level+1, leftover]];
    }
  }
  
  *outInitial = initial;
  *outSubLines = [subLines copy];
}

Augh

# ? May 11, 2012 10:58

Gul Banana: Nov 28, 2003

Zombywuf posted:

26 year old bisexual. First, I'm a cachemaster. If you�re unfamiliar with that term, it means I'm a master of the proxy. You wouldn't last one hundred milliseconds in a query against me, I assure you.

# ? May 11, 2012 18:56

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Gul Banana posted:

26 year old bisexual. First, I'm a cachemaster. If you�re unfamiliar with that term, it means I'm a master of the proxy. You wouldn't last one hundred milliseconds in a query against me, I assure you.

30 year old straight white cis male. 100ms at the proxy? Last one I worked with had latencies in the single digits, unless there was some specific hack in there to fix some lovely backend bug or marketing wanted some lovely targeted redirect/splash screen.

# ? May 11, 2012 20:04

Bhaal: Jul 13, 2001; I ain't going down alone; Dr. Infant, MD

So I was going to revisit that "fractal of bad design" writeup to reference something to a coworker, and in doing so I found something of a (sad, depressing) horror when googling to get to it:

Google => php fractal of bad design:

It's not even on the first page. Every hit is a blog or forum or whatever TALKING about and relinking the original. One is in a forum for a small, out of the way piece of software that is used where I work and therefore I have it referenced a lot in my history, but their site sure as poo poo doesn't see the kind of traffic to merit it being front paged like that.

The same search terms bring it up as the first hit in both DuckDuckGo and Bing. Google, man, what happened? :smith:

I hear a lot of talk about how Google has started making GBS threads where it eats when it started to bring :pcgaming:

Social Networks :pcgaming:

into its search, but this is the first time where it's really struck home.

EDIT: His blog isn't directly linked until page 12, and then it's just to the docroot, not directly to the article. :psypop:

Bhaal fucked around with this message at 21:29 on May 11, 2012

# ? May 11, 2012 21:16

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Bhaal posted:

I hear a lot of talk about how Google has started making GBS threads where it eats when it started to bring Social Networks into its search, but this is the first time where it's really struck home.

I remember when Google removed/de-ranked blogs from their search rankings because they were too spammy.

# ? May 11, 2012 21:22

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

Zombywuf posted:

I remember when Google removed/de-ranked blogs from their search rankings because they were too spammy.

Can't be that, it's the first result for "php: a fractal of bad design".

# ? May 11, 2012 21:40

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Yep. Including the "a" brings it to number one for me. I have no idea why.

# ? May 11, 2012 21:55

Scaramouche: Mar 26, 2001; SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

It's how Google is treating the keyword. The first guy's search it seems like they're treating 'php 'fractal' 'design' 'bad' etc. all separately. It looks like an exact match for the title though 'php: a fractal of bad design' which Google is probably treating as a granular, indivisible keyword. What's messing up the first query is probably because they're weighing 'php' (an enormous keyword) and 'design' more.

# ? May 11, 2012 21:58

zeekner: Jul 14, 2007

Dont forget that Google customizes results based on your search history. I get a lot more programming based results for otherwise ambiguous terms, where I would get much more generic results from a non-customized search.

# ? May 11, 2012 23:09

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Geekner posted:

Dont forget that Google customizes results based on your search history. I get a lot more programming based results for otherwise ambiguous terms, where I would get much more generic results from a non-customized search.

I search with my account logged in, and then in Private Mode, and I saw no differences.

# ? May 11, 2012 23:42

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Suspicious Dish posted:

I search with my account logged in, and then in Private Mode, and I saw no differences.

Same browser and same IP? Google probably can infer it's you just from that, (or from some other long lived cookie you didn't wipe out, I'm just postulating)

# ? May 12, 2012 02:14

TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT: Oct 12, 2008; this is what happens when you take UI design away from engineers and give it to a bunch of hipster art student "designers"

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

Same browser and same IP? Google probably can infer it's you just from that, (or from some other long lived cookie you didn't wipe out, I'm just postulating)

Google doesn't do per-user tracking except through their login cookie. This search result is simply wrong, for everyone.

# ? May 12, 2012 02:35

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

Guess what this evaluates to in JS:

code:

(![]+[])[+[]]+(![]+[])[+!+[]]+([![]]+[][[]])[+!+[]+[+[]]]+(![]+[])[!+[]+!+[]]

# ? May 12, 2012 07:46

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 22:04

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

A universal Turing machine.

# ? May 12, 2012 08:09

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