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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Every time I see a "lol minecraft has no content Content helps sandboxiness. You have more options of things to gently caress with. Example: People in this thread building big ol' NPC villages.
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dipple posted:Well it would have been pretty silly to hire all these people if Notch wasn't planning to expand beyond just sitting around and watching minecraft print money. It's pretty silly of notch to hire people who call their project bukkit.
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May 11, 2012 14:20
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Every time I see a "lol minecraft has no content I think people understand the concept of a sandbox just fine. It's simply that after you've built hundreds of sand castles and decorated them with the identically coloured rocks from your driveway and sprigs of grass from your back yard, again and again and again, it'd be nice to have some toy soldiers and scorecards. Play 'war heroes' with your friends. More to do with the sandbox, more tools to shape and enjoy it not simply 'I ams is too stupid to find things to do'.
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May 11, 2012 14:28
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ThreeLeggedHyena posted:I think people understand the concept of a sandbox just fine. I agree with the sentiment of wanting "more content", I'm just referring to anyone saying that there's none already.
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May 11, 2012 14:50
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ThreeLeggedHyena posted:More to do with the sandbox, more tools to shape and enjoy it not simply 'I ams is too stupid to find things to do'. Pretty much this. My regular minecraft buddies all stopped playing a couple of updates back, and no-one is really sure why. Up until that point we were perfectly happy with building increasingly complex and interesting structures, or playing with redstone, or just exploring. But it just got a bit boring and repetitive and everyone just seemed to forget about it. I like minecraft, I don't regret spending money on it, and it's given me hundreds of hours of entertainment. But as it stands now, I'm pretty much done with it. I am not sure what new content would lure me back.
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May 11, 2012 14:54
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All I'd really like for extra content is redpower in stock Minecraft. Not even all the crazy stuff like redpower frames and solar panels, just the redpower wiring system and light panels/blocks and various logic gates and timers.
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May 11, 2012 14:58
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Enzer posted:Now the Minecraft overhead cost right now is paying for Jeb who has also done around 90% of the coding work for the Pocket edition before handing it off to (what I believe is a two man group) that maintains that version which has only had 3 updates in the past 10 months, Jon who does AI coding but is now working on the Scrolls project and the Bukkit team (4 programers) to help work on the Moding API which I can only assume is a temporary position. I would put decent salary for people in their position to be around 37,000$ which would put them at just under 300,000$ in pay a year and even if you bump that figure up so total overhead is 500,000$ a year, that is only 6.25% of what they make in a month on PC version alone. $37k is about what we pay interns, and I'm sure that they have much more employees/overhead than what you read about on blogs or whatever.
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May 11, 2012 15:11
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Minecraft would benefit immensely from some sort of Dark Souls-ish random multiplayer feature. For example, imagine being able to craft some sort of diamond items that would let you pop into random players' worlds online. There could be a co-op diamond that lets you peacefully visit other worlds. You wouldn't be able to craft or place/destroy blocks, because the griefing potential would be through the roof, but you would fly around. To the player, you appear half transparent. And when you leave, if you found the world impressive, you could "gift" the player a special white diamond (you wouldn't need to have one in your inventory—the other player just gets it). Or, for hardcore players, you could opt into random PvP. If you opted in, random players could "invade" your world and try to kill you off. If the invader is successful, he gets a special red diamond. If you kill the invader off, you get the diamond. Finally, put leaderboards online for number of white diamonds & number of red diamonds, sorted by region.
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May 11, 2012 15:16
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I've been exploring this mineshaft for about a week now, and I've only just now found a cave spider spawner. I had no idea these things could be so expansive.
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Polo-Rican posted:Minecraft would benefit immensely from some sort of Dark Souls-ish random multiplayer feature. For example, imagine being able to craft some sort of diamond items that would let you pop into random players' worlds online. I think random events would be cool. Meteorite showers (star metal!), mob invasions, heard migration, weather systems, roaming enemy humanoids, more complex village systems... Pretty much just an Elder Scrolls game without quests. Monster w21 Faces fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 11, 2012 |
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May 11, 2012 15:38
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Monster w21 Faces posted:I think random events would be cool. Meteorite showers 9star metal!), mob invasions, heard migration, weather systems, roaming enemy humanoids, more complex village systems... Any of these would be awesome.
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May 11, 2012 15:42
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You have to remember that while Minecraft is selling fine now, at some point in the the future the sales are going to drop off towards zero because everybody who wants Minecraft will already own Minecraft and if Mojang doesn't have
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May 11, 2012 16:01
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pseudorandom name posted:You have to remember that while Minecraft is selling fine now, at some point in the the future the sales are going to drop off towards zero because everybody who wants Minecraft will already own Minecraft and if Mojang doesn't have This will defiantly happen no question...as long and they stop developing other products and porting Minecraft to other systems.
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May 11, 2012 16:04
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Can't they just start producing DLC with more radical options at reasonable prices? Everyone would end up buying it anyway. Or did they state somewhere that once you buy Minecraft you get all updates for free?
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Monster w21 Faces posted:This will defiantly happen no question...as long and they stop developing other products and porting Minecraft to other systems. "One-click Minecraft servers" is another product that they're developing. They know that this Minecraft thing is successful and provides them with lots of revenue, so it is logical to believe that Minecraft hosting will meet with similar success. They have no idea of Scrolls or that space computer game will even be remotely successful. And I think there's only so much money to be extracted from the "Hey, it's another limited port of Minecraft, you should buy the PC version instead."
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May 11, 2012 16:15
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It makes sense for them to develop new things as long as they don't overstretch, not everything will work out. A "Minecraft II" in 3-4 years doesn't seem particularly compelling at this stage.
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May 11, 2012 16:20
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I'd readily pay for DLC if it were as good as things like Thaumcraft 2, and if it was always available with the latest version and automatically installed/updated/worked online/etc.
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NeilPerry posted:Can't they just start producing DLC with more radical options at reasonable prices? Everyone would end up buying it anyway. Or did they state somewhere that once you buy Minecraft you get all updates for free? At the rate Mojang does stuff they'd have enough content for a new DLC every fourteen years or so.
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May 11, 2012 16:23
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NeilPerry posted:Can't they just start producing DLC with more radical options at reasonable prices? Everyone would end up buying it anyway. Or did they state somewhere that once you buy Minecraft you get all updates for free? There is no point in doing DLC when you can mod the game so easily. The free stuff people are only those that bought the game on alpha.
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May 11, 2012 16:47
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HardDisk posted:The free stuff people are only those that bought the game on alpha. Notch stated in what was either an interview or one of his blog posts that he has no plans to ever charge for additional Minecraft content. The only reason that particular phrase/clause was removed from the terms of service was because his lawyers recommended it. There are some people out there who are arguing that the Xbox 360, iOS, and Android ports of Minecraft fall under that "never pay for Minecraft again" umbrella, and there was even one guy that tried to claim that Cobalt and Scrolls were derivative works and he should get those for free too. Its crazy stuff like that that Notch's/Mojang's lawyers wanted to prevent.
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Once again it's a Friday and Goonimati is hosting a Hardcore event this evening. If you're interested in participating and haven't tried it before just drop bye the thread and post your in-game name. Our events don't require you modify your game client in anyway - it'e entirely server-side.
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May 11, 2012 17:27
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I think the best new content they could add to Minecraft is simply more natural and craftable blocks. Adding different colored planks is a step in the right direction. If they added matching half blocks, steps, fences, etc. it'd be even better. New types of stone with matching stone brick/cobblestone/slabs/furnaces, would be better still. You could have some stone be biome specific and everything.
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Schwarzwald posted:I think the best new content they could add to Minecraft is simply more natural and craftable blocks. I dunno. "Just adding more blocks" is like including 65 crayons in a box instead of 64. Is that really something to get excited about if all you have is a small notepad to draw on and you can't share your drawings with anyone else?
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DarkJC posted:I don't really get where you're going with that analogy there. "More blocks don't mean poo poo if they don't do anything different at this point."
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Once in a while, they do add another crayon, but it's 'Burnt Sienna' and no one cares.
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fondue posted:Once again it's a Friday and Goonimati is hosting a Hardcore event this evening. If you're interested in participating and haven't tried it before just drop bye the thread and post your in-game name. Seriously, for people who say they got sick of Minecraft, come try this, it's like a whole new game.
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Polo-Rican posted:I dunno. "Just adding more blocks" is like including 65 crayons in a box instead of 64. Is that really something to get excited about if all you have is a small notepad to draw on and you can't share your drawings with anyone else? Get what you're going for but the notepad is practically infinite and people share their drawings all the time. Your problem is that you can only do so many things with crayons and paper, you're getting mad at Crayola for not giving you new things to do with them. What I'm saying is you should try sticking a dirt block up your nose (what I'm actually saying is that you made a terrible analogy)
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Wafflecop posted:Get what you're going for but the notepad is practically infinite and people share their drawings all the time. Your problem is that you can only do so many things with crayons and paper, you're getting mad at Crayola for not giving you new things to do with them. It's like you'd be asking for some sort of spyrograph add-on, or even a crayola paint set. Then we'd be cookin'.
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Schwarzwald posted:I think the best new content they could add to Minecraft is simply more natural and craftable blocks. Adding different colored planks is a step in the right direction. If they added matching half blocks, steps, fences, etc. it'd be even better. I'd like a proper snow biome where the top layers of the world is actual snow blocks instead of just snow covered. And testificates living in igloo-like structures  Another thing I'd really like is a sort of redstone-lite that A) doesn't require a degree in electric engineering to comprehend and B) doesn't take up half a mountain to do something. And more things to build. I really wouldn't mind something like the windmills and so on from Better than Wolves (Minus the animal cruelty, of course), and proper elevators.
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Polo-Rican posted:I dunno. "Just adding more blocks" is like including 65 crayons in a box instead of 64. Is that really something to get excited about if all you have is a small notepad to draw on and you can't share your drawings with anyone else? 65 crayons isn't much of an improvement over 64, but it's a hell of an improvement over two.
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I feel the same way about Minecraft being boring after a while due to the lack of goals. That's why I play on the Lostshard server. It gives you a lot of goals for improving your plot. Of course you have to make it bigger, but you also might want to set up some vendors. So then you make buildings for them, and then you get the stuff for them to sell etc. Basically you have something to be working towards. EDIT: Fixed terrible mistakes. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 11, 2012 |
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Internet Kraken posted:That's why I play on the Losthsard server. It gives you a lot of goals for improving your. Improving my what?
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Maybe it is "village".
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Allen Wren posted:Improving my what? Plot. I'm really good at typing in the morning  Basically you just have goals to work towards. Minecraft kind of lacks that since your only real goal is acquiring certain items and killing the dragon.
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ThreeLeggedHyena posted:I think people understand the concept of a sandbox just fine. No one is saying minecraft has no content. That's a strawman. There ARE people who are saying there there isn't enough content though.
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Enzer posted:I would put decent salary for people in their position to be around 37,000$ which would put them at just under 300,000$ in pay a year and even if you bump that figure up so total overhead is 500,000$ a year, that is only 6.25% of what they make in a month on PC version alone. I seriously doubt Notch is paying his staff less than $80,000/yr, with Jeb making substantially more. Keep in mind that all those people that work there are crucial members of a highly successful startup - you have to pay them well enough to keep them. VC money will lure programmers to other startups otherwise. My buddy keeps getting offers of $70-85k to go work for other startups almost weekly, and the company he works for is nowhere as visible as a company like Mojang.
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I've tried to get back in Minecraft but the terrible terrain generation is stopping me. Every time I look around and see a corner where a Swamp meets a Desert meets a Tundra it just leaves me cold. They need to go back to finite map sizes, generate the topography and then determine biomes from logical datapoints. I wish I could explore an big rear end island and map out how the central forests give way to tundra in the north. How there's a small desert in the rain shadow of the eastern mountain range. If I could follow an actual river from mountain spring all the way down to the coast it would do so much to make exploration worthwhile. 7c Nickel fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 11, 2012 |
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Dylan-D posted:No one is saying minecraft has no content. That's a strawman. There ARE people who are saying there there isn't enough content though. gokuesque posted:How about a game with content?
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