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So Robin Williams the movie edition. edit: maybe the only tv appearance of Joe Biden where he didn't say the dumbest things 
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Apr 25, 2012 14:48
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Cocaine is the most annoying drug.
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Apr 25, 2012 14:48
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I remember Robin Williams going on the Charlie Rose show. It was the most unproductive episode I've seen. Innumerable sidetracks and tangents on that episode.
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Apr 25, 2012 21:36
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IRQ posted:HURR LET ME INTERRUPT PEOPLE TALKING BY YELLING UNFUNNY JOKES IN A STUPID VOICE Bill couldn't even get through New Rules because halfway through every sentence Robin Williams had to interrupt him with an unfunny voice impression that had nothing to do with what Bill was saying. Why Bill didn't tell him on Live TV to shut up is beyond me. I guess he respects him or something...
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Apr 28, 2012 16:53
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I found Robin Williams really annoying and unfunny on Whose Line, too. He is way too loud and always trying to steal the spotlight. Maybe he is really insecure.
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Apr 29, 2012 02:56
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Man, SE Cupp really thinks highly of herself. I don't think she's stupid or unintelligent compared to the average person, but she thinks highly of herself. She's a little trigger happy when it comes to defending Republicans, and I'm not sure what she really is politically.
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Apr 29, 2012 03:02
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TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS
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blue squares posted:I found Robin Williams really annoying and unfunny on Whose Line, too. He is way too loud and always trying to steal the spotlight. Maybe he is really insecure. Well he's also supposedly an alchy and a cokehead. Which would explain why he does some truly horrific movies.
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Apr 29, 2012 03:10
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I wish Bill would keep data on hand when interviewing the first guest instead of taking their word for everything. Charles Murray's info about purchasing power was loaded and completely wrong. Bill should have brought up the higher inflation rates since 1960, cost of living increases, rising healthcare costs, the college tuition bubble, or the fact the median personal income has barely changed in adjusted dollars since 1970. If I can throw out some figures: Since 1980 the US GDP per capita has increased 67% while median household income has only increased 15%. In purchasing power, the current median income would have to be $131,000 to equal the purchasing power of the 1960 median income. The current median income is less than $50,000. In constant price, 2010 American median household income is only 0.75% higher than what it was in 1989, which corresponds to a 0.04% annual increase over a 21-year period. Apparently Charles Murray is a "libertarian political scientist" that works for a conservative think tank. If you're going to have a buffoon like that on the show you had better be prepared to shut him down.
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Apr 29, 2012 09:56
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Former Human posted:I wish Bill would keep data on hand when interviewing the first guest instead of taking their word for everything. Charles Murray's info about purchasing power was loaded and completely wrong. Bill should have brought up the higher inflation rates since 1960, cost of living increases, rising healthcare costs, the college tuition bubble, or the fact the median personal income has barely changed in adjusted dollars since 1970. This. Bill either has to start doing his homework (let's face it, it's not that hard to predict what bullshit Republican/libertarian X or Y is going to spout), or stop interviewing people.
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Apr 29, 2012 18:46
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Dudebro posted:Man, SE Cupp really thinks highly of herself. I don't think she's stupid or unintelligent compared to the average person, but she thinks highly of herself. She's a little trigger happy when it comes to defending Republicans, and I'm not sure what she really is politically. She had a lot of moments last night where she would blurt out a bunch of stuff that sounded smart, but didn't really seem to have much to do with what she was responding to from the other people on the panel. Like you said you can't really nail down what she is. She seems to play both sides and just keeps playing devil's advocate no matter who is talking or how valid and correct their point is. It's annoying to have someone doing that in the middle of a serious discussion because people like her always derail the conversation into something stupid. About that opening interview....yeah that was bad. That guy was so wrong it wasn't even funny, and Bill not coming prepared to shut him down just made the whole event cringe inducing. What was the point of getting into that conversation about "why" with him if he wasn't already prepared to refute whatever he would say.
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Apr 29, 2012 19:18
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Man, the part about the Mormon church/donations was one of the best segments I've seen in a while.
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Apr 29, 2012 19:34
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A few thoughts about this most recent episode: For those of you who don't know where to place SE Cupp, let's be clear about who she is. She's a conservative Republican water-carrier. She host's a show on Glenn Beck TV for crying out loud. She tries to grant a premise simply to maintain credibility, but she's a self-described atheist who wrote a book about the Liberal Media's War on Religion. Similarly, Andrew Ross Sorkin is a shill and fanboy of Goldman and the rest of the Wall Street monsters. He's a hack who's bought and paid for (literally, his blog is sponsored by GS). The most annoying thing about this show is that Bill won't call them out on their bullshit premises (or at least, no one does, who knows what Bill believes). E.g. when they were talking about austerity measures, everyone just took it for granted that austerity was the way to go and ARS spouted his bullshit that Europe cut too fast. No one even tried to say that austerity period is the cause. This show is so depressing. But that was a good burn on the mormon church.
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Apr 29, 2012 20:50
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The thing I think is getting lost in the wash here is that Bill Maher is a comedian. He doesn't call people out on their bullshit because half the time I don't think he's prepared enough to and half the time I don't think he knows what he's talking about. Dude has some pretty out there opinions himself too. Anyway, when he's actually prepared to shut someone down he has a shitload of notecards and stuff, so if you don't see those, he's not going to do it. Jon Stewart somehow manages to be both a comedian and a fairly decent newsman (we have to take what we can get these days). Bill Maher, not so much.
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Apr 29, 2012 21:05
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Former Human posted:Apparently Charles Murray is a "libertarian political scientist" that works for a conservative think tank. If you're going to have a buffoon like that on the show you had better be prepared to shut him down. I haven't read his latest book but the premise seems to be that immorality and poorness go hand in hand and being rich is a byproduct of morality. "Belmont" vs. "Fishtown." Fishtown is poor because they're immoral and Belmont is rich because they're moral. He also seems to be linking 60s counterculture with some sort of economic cultural downfall. All of it seems pretty silly. I'm reminded me of the growing number of "poor towns" where people live, cooperate and remain civil with each other but are effectively homeless. I'm also reminded of churches of poor people meeting on Sundays underneath bridge overpasses because they're all poor and have nowhere else to go. It seems like the familiar and popular rally cry to laud the rich and demonize the poor. There's a lot of good criticism at Amazon. Charles Murray himself doesn't even fit his own mold. He's divorced and appears to have remained successful. PS Charles Murray is also the co-author of "The Bell Curve" which would naturally make him antagonistic with most of Maher's normal viewership.
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Apr 29, 2012 22:48
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Murray was the weakest link in the episode---for all the nonsense he was spouting he's fit right in with the Dominionist nutjobs and I think I'll go ahead an imagine a wondrous parallel universe where he spouted this crap on a panel where Sharlet happened to be sitting next to him to come down on like a ton of bricks... Cupp was also a cringer, but not so much this time due to the presence of Sorkin and Bill not raising topics that gave her gigantic excuses to trot out the loudest and proudest nonsense. I know Bill likes to have women on, particularly along "conservative" lines as it is ripe for moments of showcase for speaking/acting against rational self-interest---but I think the Libertarian'ish field is about tapped out at this junction as far as they go and I'd rather see takes on current events from other parts of the broad spectrum entirely. Imagine, hmm, a McKinney/Kennedy panel---or some other delightful contrast almost guaranteed to end in a literal brawl, perhaps with Michael Ware on the sides fully tanked up on alcohol just to close the circle.
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Apr 30, 2012 00:00
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Zogo posted:I haven't read his latest book but the premise seems to be that immorality and poorness go hand in hand and being rich is a byproduct of morality. "Belmont" vs. "Fishtown." Fishtown is poor because they're immoral and Belmont is rich because they're moral. I've been arguing with a guy recently on my local newspaper website about how the Great Society programs were not the cause of the downfall of inner city morality. Belmont is rich and Fishtown is poor. Both of them are probably equally immoral but because Belmont is successful they can claim they are more moral than Fishtown. But if the men of Belmont is responsible for keeping Fishtown down in order to placate their wives then they are certainly not so moral.
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Apr 30, 2012 05:25
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Cupp was really cringeworthy, she either seemed to be totally lost or lacking arguments, she was way too easy prey for Bill and the panel. Plus the shrieking... It's bad enough when the panel devolvs into four people talking over each other, but the shrieking made it even worse.
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May 4, 2012 18:44
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Wow, Arsenio Hall looks the exact same way he did twenty years ago.
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May 5, 2012 12:52
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I like that the very first sentence or so out of the lady last night pretty much set her up as the one to ignore the entire program outside of maybe softball questions. Arsenio was good, Wilkerson a solid change of pace---even Schultz was less hammy than usual. I even liked the late comer as I somehow felt like I remembered him from stuff waaay on back but couldn't place it for the life of me. Shame all this devolves to Grover Norquist coming back next week as opposed to getting a streak of good going---god I hope he's just the first book interview...
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May 5, 2012 13:55
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ExiledTinkerer posted:I even liked the late comer as I somehow felt like I remembered him from stuff waaay on back but couldn't place it for the life of me. Seriously? I mean, surely he's no A-lister but if you know who Arsenio Hall is I think you should remember good old Bobcat. Hell, he even threw a shitfit on one of Arsenio's last shows and spraypainted "Paramount Sucks" on a wall. Tomahawk fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 5, 2012 |
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May 5, 2012 15:24
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Well, I was born in '84 so.... Speaking of Arsenio, is it just due to it shifting the news cycle at least temporarily and thus now muddled, or was I the only one expecting a segway into the Trayvon Martin case that never ended up happening in terms of riots and the like?
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May 5, 2012 23:52
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ExiledTinkerer posted:Well, I was born in '84 so.... I was born in 82 and I remember him. You probably would have recognized him if he did the voice.
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May 6, 2012 00:09
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85 and I know Bobcat. Kids these days.
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May 6, 2012 04:57
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ExiledTinkerer posted:was I the only one expecting a segway I'm not trying to be that guy but it's "segue", not the brand name of the electric wheelchair device that doesn't have a seat. Pretty sure Segway did that on purpose to confuse people, the bastards! Episode was pretty good, that woman sounded like she was going to be annoying at first and then turned out to be quite measured, and neither of the Republicans tried to mask their laughter at any of the comedy segments. Bobcat made me want to see his movie even if it does sound like liberal porn for sociopaths, New Rules were right on the money and even the monologue (usually the weakest and most pandering part of the show for my liking) was chuckle-worthy.
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May 6, 2012 11:02
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ExiledTinkerer posted:Shame all this devolves to Grover Norquist coming back next week as opposed to getting a streak of good going---god I hope he's just the first book interview... Don't worry, when he was on TDS he was outclassed argument-wise by Jon Stewart who almost looked like he was holding back a bit as not to totally destroy the poor guy with the terrible ideas. I don't think he'll pose much of a problem to the panel either as he doesn't seem to be a loud-mouth, so once he's spouted his scripted talking points I reckon he'll be out as far as discussion is concerned. Grover, please don't prove me wrong.
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May 6, 2012 11:06
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Bah, must focus better on words! Though it would be an interesting bit of a surreal moment if suddenly Bill and Arsenio busted out Segways partway through the interview and then just rode around the stage conducting the rest via chase cam... Grover worries me as I seem to have a vague sense that he was on before, and not all that long ago that same way it troubles me that we get more right wing repeats than anybody else nowadays, and contributed significantly to the stink of the episode. In every conceivable way, the "right" idiot parade has shown that they can mess up an episode of Real Time---either being loud, interrupting constantly, saying the dumbest things every time, making every question they answer into a long and pointless rant, and worst of all, the times where Bill's or the OT's questions lean in their pet direction as opposed to broader events of the day.
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May 6, 2012 13:12
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Really liked this episode. Also enjoyed seeing Bobcat again but it made me want to watch Police Academy; can't tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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May 8, 2012 02:41
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Overtime with Bill, Bobcat, and Arsenio just loving around was the best.
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May 8, 2012 02:48
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tags2k posted:I'm not trying to be that guy but it's "segue", not the brand name of the electric wheelchair device that doesn't have a seat. Pretty sure Segway did that on purpose to confuse people, the bastards! god bless america [sic] is one of the worst movies ever made. It's like Boondock Saints, GBS, the PYF bachelor thread, and PYF Irritating Things all took sentient form and 9 months after their Mt. Dew fueled orgy, god bless america popped out. That being said, if you like watching 20 minute dramatic readings of Two Worlds or ZanderZ posts interspersed with brief periods of random violence against babies who cry too much (death by 12 gauge), coworkers who bother to engage with each other (death by handgun), teenagers who go to matinee viewings of My Lai documentaries to talk and throw popcorn (death by .45), and mentally challenged (seriously) people that reality shows make fun of (death by AK), it's definitely the movie for you. God drat that movie was embarrassing to even watch
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May 9, 2012 12:48
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Looking forward to Dan Rather next week, hopefully he's on the panel. Yeah, he may or may not have messed up the Bush/National Guard story, but I always thought he was a good broadcaster.
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May 12, 2012 07:56
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I want 5 minutes in a dark alley with Grover Norquist and a claw hammer. gently caress that goddamn retarded rear end in a top hat. e: Eva Longoria is shockingly not an idiot, even pretty good, I'm amazed. IRQ fucked around with this message at 10:06 on May 12, 2012 |
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May 12, 2012 09:56
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IRQ posted:I want 5 minutes in a dark alley with Grover Norquist and a claw hammer. gently caress that goddamn retarded rear end in a top hat. Possibly the greatest indictment of the American educational system is that Grover Norquist graduated from Harvard. His arguments lack even the most basic adherence to things like "logic", let alone an even cursory acknowledgement of confounding variables. Taxes went down, GDP went up, never a miscommunication - you can't explain that.
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May 12, 2012 10:24
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Norquist is pretty bright but is also a dishonest ideologue. It takes tremendous brain power to convince yourself that zero taxes is a suitable way to finance a government. What is left? Tariffs? Notice when Norquist mentioned the "successes" of Reagan's fiscal policy he carefully left out the 1982 recession, the tripling of the deficit in eight years, and how Reagan actually increased taxes 11 times, as Ed Schultz pointed out last week. If Norquist is looking for a president that embodies his idiotic libertarian views, Reagan is far from it. Why Bill shuts people down so well in some instances (particularly with religion) but hesitates in others is beyond me. Conservative economics never match facts or evidence, but conservatives have proven time and again that facts and evidence mean nothing to them.
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May 12, 2012 11:19
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Painful episode with Grover's constant interruptions, even when generally shut down by others, it was like rewinding the crank on a windup chatterbox. Too bad Richard Clarke didn't do the panel, the lady in the middle said among the least of any of the panel members from a given show I can remember and what little there was amounted to FoxNews B-grade fluff. Norquist knows full well what he's doing----just doesn't care about anything and anyone that doesn't fit neatly into his pet notions he allegedly figured out back in like, his elementary or middle school timeframe IIRC.
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May 12, 2012 13:44
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IRQ posted:I want 5 minutes in a dark alley with Grover Norquist and a claw hammer. gently caress that goddamn retarded rear end in a top hat. I'm a journalist, and when he glibly asked 'what European countries have enacted austerity?  ' I actually shouted 'EVERY ONE!'. Germany, France, Ireland, Greece (!), my own little country of the Netherlands. We've all been cutting in a big way and it hasn't exactly made us the shining beacon of economic recovery. My country is back in recession as of the beginning of 2012. Can't believe Bill let that go. Or not mention that Saint Reagan, peace be upon him, raised taxes! Longoria was indeed ok, but when she said that a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage 'would be the first time discrimination would be enshrined into the constitution' I felt that sounded familiar. It did. It was a direct quote from one of Obama's campaign ads. Guess she's good at staying on message.
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May 12, 2012 16:11
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The first time since the originally constitution maybe. 3/5
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May 12, 2012 20:30
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Former Human posted:What is left? Tariffs? Funny you should say this, as tariffs would actually be a fantastic way to both raise government revenue and stimulate American job growth. Also, it'd be a good thing for workers in developing countries. The only real losers are multinational corporations! Therefore, it'll never happen.
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May 12, 2012 21:37
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Former Human posted:Reagan actually increased taxes 11 times I pointed this out to a Reagan apologist once and was told that it doesn't count as an increase because he raised them back to the levels they were at before he cut them. 
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May 12, 2012 21:45
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Frot Lesnar posted:I pointed this out to a Reagan apologist once and was told that it doesn't count as an increase because he raised them back to the levels they were at before he cut them. But then doesn't that mean cutting taxes, you know, doesn't work? It's not worth trying to reason with these people.
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May 12, 2012 21:59
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I wish this show (and almost all others) would just avoid attempting serious monetary/economic discussions. Their talking points/figures are extremely rudimentary and it takes ~5 seconds before the discussion becomes completely politicized into monolithically insurmountable R vs. D junk. I thought most recognized that the "jobs created" measurement/formula was fundamentally flawed when the Bush administration was touting it 5-7 years ago but now the Obama administration has taken it as a standard. Same thing with the "unemployment rate" itself. Even taken at face value these measurements don't say anything about the dwindling number of workers in the US (percentage of population that is actually working AKA aggregate employment) or the growing number of people going on disability (hey look the unemployment rate is going down)! Not even addressing the total number of hours being worked (per year) took a nosedive in 2008 and hasn't come close to returning to those already meager Bush numbers. Even GDP (Bill's charts) is coming under increasing attack when being used as a measurement of health these days. Zogo fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 12, 2012 |
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May 12, 2012 22:41
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