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Arnold of Soissons posted:I don't know why Kickstarter approved them in the first place, but I really don't see a travesty in them being deleted. It's a hentai game. There's tons of those around and you don't see people making a fuss about them. I couldn't give a ratass about it, but it's pretty lovely of kickstarter to take down a perfectly valid product (read: not a scam) for those who want it, because it creates a precedent to remove other valid projects in the future. And it makes people do dumb things like that guy quoted above in the Tex kickstarter. vvvvv that's a fun troll you got there. Accusing me of defending whatever the hell that thing is because I don't agree with Kickstarter closing down something because of external peer pressure clearly means I'm a pedophile. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 16, 2012 |
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Saoshyant posted:It's a hentai game. There's tons of those around and you don't see people making a fuss about them. I couldn't give a ratass about it, but it's pretty lovely of kickstarter to take down a perfectly valid product (read: not a scam) for those who want it, because it creates a precedent to remove other valid projects in the future. And it makes people do dumb things like that guy quoted above in the Tex kickstarter. It's a hentai game specifically designed for the player to do nothing but rape children over and over. If hentai games in general are battle you feel is worth fighting then I guess that's your call, but if that's the case I'd suggest you defend a game where the goal is to have consensual sex with adults and not, you know 
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I wonder what the chances are of Doug Tennapel kickstarting a proper point-and-click adventure sequel to The Neverhood? His relatively-quiet website forum has mentioned the same thing -> http://tennapel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12977
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I wonder what the chances are of Doug Tennapel kickstarting a proper point-and-click adventure sequel to The Neverhood? I would say not much. Jane Jensen barely managed her own, the Space Quest guys aren't doing that well, and an obscure game like Neverhood probably doesn't have enough fans around to sponsor it. I guess if you aren't Tim Schafer the chances of getting an adventure game out of Kickstarter may not be huge.
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Arnold of Soissons posted:It's a hentai game specifically designed for the player to do nothing but rape children over and over. If hentai games in general are battle you feel is worth fighting then I guess that's your call, but if that's the case I'd suggest you defend a game where the goal is to have consensual sex with adults and not, you know It was just a loving card game, man. Everything in it that the video showed was coated in innuendo and it was as tasteful as it could possibly be given the subject. Some people like stupid card games.
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May 16, 2012 15:45
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Holy poo poo Doug Tennapel's Mothman movie was actually completed and released? That dude was working on that thing for over a drat decade. Maybe he'll Kickstart a sequel to Sockbaby instead.  Or Boom Bots.
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Arnold of Soissons posted:I'm having trouble meshing point A with point B, myself. I play lot of boardgames. I didn't back the game, because the game looked too simplistic, not because the subject "tentacle-aliens abducting girls". And there isn't any rape in the game. At least no more than in traditional western "ufo-kidnapping women" or "vampires feasting on pure virgins" and other horror topics. Game mechanic: You match girl(s) cards with right location and capture cards to capture them. Player with most Girls captured wins. No raping involved. Would someone be offended if instead of tentacle-monster capturing girls, it would be a Vampire preying on them inside Gothic High(tm)?
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I don't really care about the game, but they should have at least publicly given a reason for the shutdown instead of just shutting it down.
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The project was tasteless and disgusting and I'm glad it got canned. However, I'd like to see KS give more due diligence and can not only gross projects but obvious scams/manipulations. Class of Heroes 2 comes to mind; that project should've been cancelled the instant Ireland started lying about what exactly the money was for and probably should've been cancelled from the get-go, since it was never clear what exactly people were funding.
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YOURFRIEND posted:It was just a loving card game, man. Everything in it that the video showed was coated in innuendo and it was as tasteful as it could possibly be given the subject. Some people like stupid card games. jammu posted:I play lot of boardgames. Uh, so this wasn't even hentai like I thought it was, and apparently the idea it had rape came from some stupid Kotaku article written as usually to get hits no matter if they lie or make stuff up. Cool. I'll say it again, if Kickstarter starts taking down valid projects due to external pressure you create a precedent to remove other valid projects that annoy someone, like creating a software to go around censorship in backward countries like China. Or what if someone starts making a game that annoys EA/Activision and they claim it's very similar to something they are doing? Let people vote with their wallets, Kickstarter. It worked to remove things like Your World and Call of Heroes 2. Don't make this decision for other people.
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They removed my anime tentacle rape game. My freedoms.
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Is there a whole subgenre of anime where tentacle monsters kidnap high school girls to hang out with them or is this "it has nothing to do with rape per se" thing a smokescreen?
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Al! posted:Is there a whole subgenre of anime where tentacle monsters kidnap high school girls to hang out with them or is this "it has nothing to do with rape per se" thing a smokescreen? Here is another (successful) Kickstarter that involves a card game with tentacled monsters and schoolgirls: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1225737959/miskatonic-school-for-girls-deck-building-game I don't think it's supposed to be "rapey," but this may be indicative of "a thing." Also, don't buy that game since it is apparently a bad game, theme aside. In any case, I think Kickstarter is starting to show some growing pains, as they may not be able to keep up with their growing popularity, at least as far as their standards and policies are concerned. They'd probably be in a much better position if they had either initially rejected this terrible idea and made a quick amendment to their terms and conditions or stated the reason for the cancellation. But now they are just trying to sweep it under the rug, and unfortunately, subcultures thrive in dark places and love to feel persecuted, so now this happens. At least Tex Murphy will still be funded, so I'm content. I still cannot disassociate Coit Tower from those games.
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Davincie posted:I don't really care about the game, but they should have at least publicly given a reason for the shutdown instead of just shutting it down.
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Scalding Coffee posted:If this happens a few more times, the atmosphere will become toxic. Silence only works for the media and politicians. Except it isn't a mystery why the game was removed. It was a game "about" monsters raping children (and I'm not buying the word weaseling about how it's satire or not actually about rape, its inspiration is immediately clear). This is like eBay shutting down an auction for a human soul. It may not specifically be against their terms of service but it's not something they want to see themselves associated with, and they reserve the right to pull anything. Since Kickstarter doesn't retain any rights to the company's IP, I don't really see how this is a censorship issue.
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Honestly, I can see the devs getting cold feet about it, because that kind of stuff is barely legal in the U.S. (it might even be illegal now), and IS specifically outlawed to varying degrees in most countries. Rape play or any sort of porn with a setting where consent is not given without coersion is a HUGE  and many countries do ban any depictions of rape if it's in a pornographic setting (i.e. it can be done to varying degrees in a normal theatrical feature, like with Irreversible or The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, just not in something that's sold and handled like porn). And yes, this can even include situations where the actors have pre- and post-shoot interviews; I think that's just a U.S. thing. And since I don't think Kickstarter can filter pledges based on country of origin, some overzealous prosecutor in Canada/England/Australia can make a huge stink about Kickstarter and the game devs running an international rape media cartel.All of this applies equally to animated stuff in most countries, and I haven't even mentioned the underage thing. Even if legal to do in the U.S., it can be a huge problem if everyone starts talking about it on the news and all of a sudden you start getting turned away at customs whenever you try to travel internationally. That's a pretty huge roll of the die for making a game. univbee fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 16, 2012 |
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Yodzilla posted:Holy poo poo Doug Tennapel's Mothman movie was actually completed and released? That dude was working on that thing for over a drat decade. I could never give Doug Tennapel's my money. He's quite the piece of poo poo. Neverhood was brilliant though, and I didn't even known he had anything to do with it.
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I don't see why somebody doesn't just make porn starter or something, because these issues are going to keep coming up.jammu posted:
Let's be fair, tentacle bento is more like a game where you win by luring as many children as possible into your dirty van. Even if there were a game about vampires preying on high school girls, the rape in that game would be metaphorical at best. The rape in the tentacle game is implied (thus my comparison above.) Vampires drink blood. Tentacle monsters rape.
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BrainParasite posted:I don't see why somebody doesn't just make porn starter or something, because these issues are going to keep coming up. I'm pretty sure one was linked in one of the three kickstarter threads we have here actually. gently caress if I know what its called but I'm guessing its something pun based like 'Jerkstarter'
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I could never give Doug Tennapel's my money. He's quite the piece of poo poo. Haha what's wrong with Doug Tennapel? I've never heard about him personally one way or the other but I loved Neverhood and Skullmonkeys.
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Davincie posted:I'm pretty sure one was linked in one of the three kickstarter threads we have here actually. gently caress if I know what its called but I'm guessing its something pun based like 'Jerkstarter' Smut Peddler? Or did you mean a seperate kickstarter-like site for just porn? I don't see how that'd be much different than camwhoring, really -- for a $50 donation you get a picture of my junk! Kickstarter doesn't seem to have a problem with adult content to a degree, with the one I linked sitting around 300%. Then again, it's pretty aboveboard and indie and surprisingly un-creepy. The card game failed that last criteria pretty spectacularly.
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Yodzilla posted:Haha what's wrong with Doug Tennapel? I've never heard about him personally one way or the other but I loved Neverhood and Skullmonkeys. Hardcore antigay right-winger.
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Yodzilla posted:Haha what's wrong with Doug Tennapel? I've never heard about him personally one way or the other but I loved Neverhood and Skullmonkeys. quote:21st: Do you honestly believe that every country save for yours is some repressive autocracy devoid of freedom?" There was way more in the thread this was from (which has been taken down) but he said some pretty loving awful things about gay people and LIEberals and EUROTRASH and IMMIGRANTS AND THEIR HANDOUTS  The above was all I could find of that thread, but I read it in its entirety way back and it was incredibly awful. This was in the beginning of the argument but it kept getting worse and worse and he just lashed out harder and harder.
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FoneBone posted:Hardcore antigay right-winger. Suddenly hiring a Christian rocker (albeit a pretty awesome one) to do the game's soundtrack makes sense.
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Saw this comment mentioned in the GBS thread, figured it was too glorious not to share:quote:Well I've just re pledged through Sodapop's site my $60. Don't know why they didn't go this route in the first place. Being a big fan of Anime and Manga, I can't wait to receive the game, artwork, and models. Funnily enough, it will arrive just in time for my Wife and I's holiday to Japan. Something to play on the Plane / Train which won't even raise an eyebrow over there.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:There was way more in the thread this was from (which has been taken down) but he said some pretty loving awful things about gay people and LIEberals and EUROTRASH and IMMIGRANTS AND THEIR HANDOUTS God, that is just so sad. I wish I were better at separating the product from the makers, but goddamn if poo poo like that doesn't taint my perception. Guess Tennapel is going to be in the same lofty position as Dan Simmons and Orson Scott Card.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:There was way more in the thread this was from (which has been taken down) but he said some pretty loving awful things about gay people and LIEberals and EUROTRASH and IMMIGRANTS AND THEIR HANDOUTS Goddamn what a piece of poo poo.
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Kickstarter Gaming - (it’s called Hentai Art)
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Well, if the sexually progressive nation of Japan is cool with it...
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Yodzilla posted:Goddamn what a piece of poo poo. Stephen King once either commented off-hand or wrote an article about how disheartening it is to enjoy someone's work, and then find out that they're a complete fucktard in real-life. Try as you might, it's very, very difficult for some, if not most of the fans of the work to feel the same way after all is said and done. I'm pretty glad that, from what I've heard, King is a very nice celebrity.
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NINbuntu 64 posted:Well, if the sexually progressive nation of Japan is cool with it... So is Mike "Dickwolf" Krahulik! http://twitter.com/#!/cwgabriel/status/202799326186053632 Got them the Penny Arcade bump.
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Quarex posted:If you are really patient/bored/calm/zen, you can read through all 120 pages of our Wasteland 2 thread and learn all the arcane secrets it holds: Thanks, I'll do that! And well, I went to check the Wiki about it and I realized that I probably played it on the Commodore 64, which makes me think I'm getting really old.
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zenintrude posted:So is Mike "Dickwolf" Krahulik! Sometimes I seriously wonder if the dude is a misogynist.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Stephen King once either commented off-hand or wrote an article about how disheartening it is to enjoy someone's work, and then find out that they're a complete fucktard in real-life. Try as you might, it's very, very difficult for some, if not most of the fans of the work to feel the same way after all is said and done. Yeah King really does own. On Writing is one of my favorite books.
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I guess I'll make an actual post about this whole Tentacle Bento thing even though I've been trying to avoid it. First off, anyone who says this game isn't about rape is absolutely delusional. Everything about the game is as close to rape as you can get without actually saying the word. You know it, I know it, you know loving well the target audience knows it too. On top of this, they slap the design of the characters and the capture pictures shown in the video itself. Then, to hammer it all home, they have the hypersexualization of all the characters. Anyone even slightly familiar with the tropes set up here knows this is about rape, and anyone with half a brain can probably tell you how the idea of setting up a game based around rape is a pretty loving tasteless idea. Kickstarter likely weighed the fallout of this vs. the damage funding a game that is literally about heavily implied rape could do to their reputation and shut it down. And they're well within their rights to do so. This isn't censorship, or limiting freedom of speech or anything else like that. Those are arguments that a 12 year old banned from a forum would make. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from a company asking you to take your business elsewhere when you decide to go beyond the realm of common human decency. It's not censorship either, since all that happened was that the funding was cancelled. The project is still there and Kickstarter was pretty lenient and let them advertise a new place to get funding right on their Kickstarter page. But to the point I stated before: This is a game about heavily implied rape and there's no denying this. Kickstarter was well within their rights to go "not on our site, thanks."
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Kickstarter canceling that Tentacle Bento project has actually got me interested enough to fund it if only out of spite towards them.
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Shardok posted:Kickstarter canceling that Tentacle Bento project has actually got me interested enough to fund it if only out of spite towards them. Congratulations for giving money to the normalization of rape.
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macnbc posted:Sometimes I seriously wonder if the dude is a misogynist. Sometimes I seriously wonder if water is wet. Everything about the Penny Arcade guys and Mike in particular is terrible. edit: I'm not even going to start with the discussion about how I feel about Child's Play vvvv Al! fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 16, 2012 |
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Al! posted:Sometimes I seriously wonder if water is wet. Everything about the Penny Arcade guys and Mike in particular is terrible. That's pretty hyperbolic considering the huge sums of money they raise for charity every year.
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Calaveron posted:Congratulations for giving money to the normalization of rape. There's nothing normal about Tentacles! Personally I'm going for the 50 buck tier. I wasn't planning to spend any money for this, but now I'm dropping 2 kickstarters. Moebius and Tex Murphy. I'll see you at the steam christmas sales 2014.
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