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Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
Oh nuts, I misread as Mac Mini. :doh:

The 750GB Momentus drive sucks very few balls. It's the 500GB one that really gargles. But for an iMac, yeah, desktop drives. Western Digital, Seagate, and those are really the only major players (yay duopoly).

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Argali
Jun 24, 2004

I will be there to receive the new mind

Factory Factory posted:

Oh nuts, I misread as Mac Mini. :doh:

The 750GB Momentus drive sucks very few balls. It's the 500GB one that really gargles. But for an iMac, yeah, desktop drives. Western Digital, Seagate, and those are really the only major players (yay duopoly).

I'm really leery of Western Digital stuff, based on nothing, really, other than some very bad reviews here and there.

Seagate is pretty good. I think I had that as a replacement internal drive on an earlier iMac.

I have two external Lacie drives and they're okay. I don't like how the 1 TB I have powers up and down randomly. It's also very noisy.

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007
Have any of you guys built your own external GPU? I'm pretty happy with my Macbook air for regular performance, but it's really lacking with Diablo III (and TF2).

I'm probably going to pick up the things to make my own for $200~ since I've already got a 5750 collecting dust from when I scrapped my gaming PC. I've been waiting too long for companies to make one, and the only completed product is the one shipping out June 8th for like $800.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Argali posted:

I'm really leery of Western Digital stuff, based on nothing, really, other than some very bad reviews here and there.

Seagate is pretty good. I think I had that as a replacement internal drive on an earlier iMac.

Really? I've always heard the exact opposite.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
All hard drives fail at roughly equal rates. A lot of people go through a drive failure, buy another guy's drive, and when it doesn't fail they assume the problem was the manufacturer and not that hard drives just fail.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Shmoogy posted:

Have any of you guys built your own external GPU? I'm pretty happy with my Macbook air for regular performance, but it's really lacking with Diablo III (and TF2).

I'm probably going to pick up the things to make my own for $200~ since I've already got a 5750 collecting dust from when I scrapped my gaming PC. I've been waiting too long for companies to make one, and the only completed product is the one shipping out June 8th for like $800.
What's your plan? The only way I can think of currently is with TB-ExpressCard ($130-150) plus cable ($50) plus whatever ExpressCard-PCIe box...unless you plan to build that part I guess. And I'm assuming you'll be gaming in Windows cause it won't work in OS X afaik.

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007

japtor posted:

What's your plan? The only way I can think of currently is with TB-ExpressCard ($130-150) plus cable ($50) plus whatever ExpressCard-PCIe box...unless you plan to build that part I guess. And I'm assuming you'll be gaming in Windows cause it won't work in OS X afaik.

I was considering picking up the TB-Expresscard + cable and building the adapter-- I've got old power supplies.

Tempted to just pay for the ViDock though because it seems more and more like the TB solutions are vaporware (MSI GUS, ViDocks TB, et al)

e: I don't really see a need to upgrade my MBA, unless the new laptops that come out are ridiculously better-- and I would probably take a 200-300 hit when selling and upgrading anyway. And I figure that the upgrade would probably last me at least 2-4 years since the GPU is upgradeable and I don't game very much-- so the $300-400 cost wouldn't be as awful at it seems. I just wish that it'd work in OSX.

Shmoogy fucked around with this message at 18:52 on May 29, 2012

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
So the same G4 MDD I mentioned earlier in this thread has the full compliment of 4x512mb (2GB) of memory installed.

The memory is 2xKingston and 2xMicron sticks.

ASP reports them as:

PC2600U-20220
PC2600U-20220
PC2600U-25330
PC2600U-25330

Are the ending numbers the latency? If so, is it a big deal that I have mixed latency?

FYI, I know about the ASP bug where the G4 reports PC2700 as PC2600.

Sent from my iPad
Jun 19, 2000

Factory Factory posted:

Get a third Thunderbolt device and stick it between the TB display and the DP display. Macworld did it.
Thanks!

Rockybar
Sep 3, 2008

Typically how long after a keynote in which a new Mac (or set of macs) is announced does it begin to ship? Are we talking a day or two, or a couple of weeks?

Arrowsmith
Feb 6, 2006

SAGANISTA!

Factory Factory posted:

All hard drives fail at roughly equal rates. A lot of people go through a drive failure, buy another guy's drive, and when it doesn't fail they assume the problem was the manufacturer and not that hard drives just fail.

But some brands do always fail way more than others.

And it's always the brand I bought.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Dell showed their new 27" iMac copy and it looks ok. Ivy bridge, Blu Ray, etc. Hopefully Apple will hurry the gently caress up.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Shmoogy posted:

I was considering picking up the TB-Expresscard + cable and building the adapter-- I've got old power supplies.

Tempted to just pay for the ViDock though because it seems more and more like the TB solutions are vaporware (MSI GUS, ViDocks TB, et al)

e: I don't really see a need to upgrade my MBA, unless the new laptops that come out are ridiculously better-- and I would probably take a 200-300 hit when selling and upgrading anyway. And I figure that the upgrade would probably last me at least 2-4 years since the GPU is upgradeable and I don't game very much-- so the $300-400 cost wouldn't be as awful at it seems. I just wish that it'd work in OSX.
I'm thinking they're all in a catch 22 situation right now since a lot of people want them for GPUs...but the majority of computers that would use them currently (Macs) can't use them without going into Windows. On the other hand Windows support seems to come down to just seeing them as regular PCIe devices (which is why there's more flexibility there), but normal TB features like hot plugging don't work (last I read at least).

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





I've been following this thread for the past couple of weeks but I don't think I've seen any articles/rumors about this: how likely will Apple announce a refresh for the Mac Minis? Seems like the big announcement (if rumors are true) would be new retina display Macbooks/iMacs. I know no one knows anything for certain but has anyone heard anything about them getting a refresh?

Argali
Jun 24, 2004

I will be there to receive the new mind

Arrowsmith posted:

But some brands do always fail way more than others.

And it's always the brand I bought.

Right - if you put the question out there, like I said, you'll get the same number of people swearing by something as you will condemning it. So, all you can say is that so far, no one brand has emerged as consistent. Then again, people use their computers differently, so the guy whose WD drive takes a poo poo may be doing something more with it than Seagate guy - I dunno. Then again, these things are supposed to be designed for usage, period.

Come to think of it, maybe I should try WD, because I think the only drive that actually died on me was an internal Seagate. But that was many years ago.

RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS
Dec 21, 2010
I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but can someone tell me a bit about the onsite tech support for Applecare? Apple's literature is pretty vague here. I have a 27" iMac and it's acting up -- since there's nothing in the logs every time it freezes I figure it's likely hardware but I don't really relish the prospect of schlepping this thing to the Apple store in the mall. Is it worth the money to sign up?

edit: Also, I do have aftermarket RAM, and while I'm reasonably certain it's fine (I ran memtest and didn't see any errors), are they going to refuse to help me on that basis?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

When I called Apple with iMac problems they said there was no such service. I'm in San Francisco and there's like 4 Apple Stores here so maybe it's only offered in some areas. Taking a 30 pound iMac on the bus is a pain in the rear end.

RAM is fine, they didn't care.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


All I have to say about WD and Seagate is that I've had a 750 GB WD fail on me after a year (5 yr warranty) and two Seagates, a 1TB and a 500 GB both bought just before the floods go bad on me. The WD had endless CRC errors, both Seagates had bad sectors. They were both in Macs that were in AC'd offices.

I tend to agree with the Google report, no HD make is any better than the other. At the moment the only company I reserve scorn for is Samsung, because every time I'm asked to recover data from a LaCie enclosure, after I crack them open 99% of them turn out to be Samsungs.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

I think I've had more Hitachi drives poo poo the bed than anything else but I dunno.

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!

Strong Sauce posted:

I've been following this thread for the past couple of weeks but I don't think I've seen any articles/rumors about this: how likely will Apple announce a refresh for the Mac Minis? Seems like the big announcement (if rumors are true) would be new retina display Macbooks/iMacs. I know no one knows anything for certain but has anyone heard anything about them getting a refresh?
https://www.applelaunchtimer.com is putting the MacBook Pros and iMacs at WWDC, and MacBook Airs and Mac Minis in August.

It makes sense, June for one launch, August for next, and that gives 2 months until the new iPhone launch. Two months in between each launch.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Mu Zeta posted:

When I called Apple with iMac problems they said there was no such service. I'm in San Francisco and there's like 4 Apple Stores here so maybe it's only offered in some areas. Taking a 30 pound iMac on the bus is a pain in the rear end.

RAM is fine, they didn't care.
It's only in areas with direct/indirect dispatch AASPs. If Apple doesn't have a direst dispatch place set up for an area it's not offered. Frequently, however, you can contact AASPs in the area and see if they offer onsite service. If you're under warranty there shouldn't be a fee as long as you're within a reasonable distance of the shop (and they know how to get the travel fee submitted to Apple properly).

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
On the topic of hard drives, what did Apple service centers do to diagnose HDDs before Intel Macs since most/all of the manufacturer diagnostic tools are written for x86. Did they have a PC laying around for that?

arbybaconator
Dec 18, 2007

All hat and no cattle

apple store is down!

It's probably nothing...

Argali
Jun 24, 2004

I will be there to receive the new mind

Binary Badger posted:

All I have to say about WD and Seagate is that I've had a 750 GB WD fail on me after a year (5 yr warranty) and two Seagates, a 1TB and a 500 GB both bought just before the floods go bad on me. The WD had endless CRC errors, both Seagates had bad sectors. They were both in Macs that were in AC'd offices.

I tend to agree with the Google report, no HD make is any better than the other. At the moment the only company I reserve scorn for is Samsung, because every time I'm asked to recover data from a LaCie enclosure, after I crack them open 99% of them turn out to be Samsungs.

This brings me back to my original question: Given the varied opinions on external hard drives, is the Time Capsule a god choice?

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Shaocaholica posted:

On the topic of hard drives, what did Apple service centers do to diagnose HDDs before Intel Macs since most/all of the manufacturer diagnostic tools are written for x86. Did they have a PC laying around for that?
There have been acceptable/good Mac hardware tests for many years. Both the ones Apple writes and third-party ones.

fart blood
Sep 13, 2008

by VideoGames

Argali posted:

This brings me back to my original question: Given the varied opinions on external hard drives, is the Time Capsule a god choice?

I have a time capsule and so far it seems to be working. But I must say, I don't see any fans on it, so that thing must get really hot.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

fart blood posted:

I have a time capsule and so far it seems to be working. But I must say, I don't see any fans on it, so that thing must get really hot.
There's a fan in there. You can hear it.

TC vs AEBS with an external comes down to performance, really. USB performance on the AEBS is pretty slow so your backups will take quite a bit longer to perform.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

My 23" Apple Cinema Display has some pretty severe image persistence issues. (article) It's not the LED model obviously but a few year old LCD one. It works perfectly otherwise, but a few months ago I noticed some ghosting against a flat-color background and realized it was the address bar of my browser. It wasn't too prevalent so I ignored it and figured it would go away as I do other things, then it got really noticeable and I tried the trick with the completely white fullscreened image, but that did nothing. I tried LCDScrub which also did nothing.

Now the persistence appears in a matter of minutes and won't go away. My screen is full of weird straight, blurry lines and remnants of text (I can read tweets posted not an hour ago straight off the screen). What are my chances of getting a replacement or getting this fixed for good? As I said, the display is a few years old but this isn't exactly an issue I've caused. I read that some early ACD models had a manufacturing flaw that made image persistence more common but I haven't been able to confirm that.

strangemusic
Aug 7, 2008

I shield you because I need charge
Is not because I like you or anything!


spaceship posted:

apple store is down!

It's probably nothing...

It was the Nest thermostat! Ummm... Is there an :unwoop: emote yet, because this is where it would go.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



After coming to the epiphany that I don't need to carry around hundreds of gigabytes of shameful porn anime, complete archives of the This American Life and The Diane Rehm Show podcasts, and terrible music that I literally haven't listened to in years, I finally made a Responsible Financial Decision™ and ordered a Samsung 830 SSD for my 2010 MBP.

While I'm gleefully rubbing my hands in anticipation of saturating my poor, poor SATA II bus, are there any OS X specific tips/tricks running a non-Apple SSD? Most of the information I find is either horribly out of date or just plain stupid/neurotic like disabling Spotlight or fine-tuning the position of the EFI partition so that blah blah blah :words:. I'm not even sure whether I need to enable TRIM, since evidently Samsung built in their own garbage collection.

Nanigans
Aug 31, 2005

~Waku Waku~
I really want to buy an iMac within the next month or two, but like most of you, I'm waiting for WWDC. Most of the rumblings I've heard have centered around the MacBook, though. Say there's no new desktop announced, I'll probably still want an iMac over the laptops just because of screen size.

For someone who uses their computer solely for internet browsing, listening to music, and watching TV/movies, is there any real reason to spring for a solid state drive? I know they're faster/safer, but I don't think I'll be doing anything very taxing on the computer, so I'd rather save the money if the difference felt is negligible. Hopefully there is a refresh coming within the month, but who knows if SSD will be standard.

Nanigans fucked around with this message at 20:07 on May 30, 2012

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Reinanigans posted:

I really want to buy an iMac within the next month or two, but like most of you, I'm waiting for WWDC. Most of the rumblings I've heard have centered around the MacBook, though. Say there's no new desktop announced, I'll probably still want an iMac over the laptops just because of screen size.

For someone who uses their computer solely for internet browsing, listening to music, and watching TV/movies, is there any real reason to spring for a solid state drive? I know they're faster/safer, but I don't think I'll be doing anything very taxing on the computer, so I'd rather save the money if the difference felt is negligible. Hopefully there is a refresh coming within the month, but who knows if SSD will be standard.
Yes, yes, oh my god, yes. The difference is obscene. SSDs push latency down to an imperceptible level. Things launch no instantaneously. It is my favorite upgrade.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


nm, SA hates my tabs

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

[img-planes]

strangemusic posted:

It was the Nest thermostat! Ummm... Is there an :unwoop: emote yet, because this is where it would go.

I'm amazed the Apple Store has to be taken down just to change stuff. Is their backend really that bad? I think it's just a tradition now.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

hannibal posted:

I think it's just a tradition now.
This. It's all about theatrics at this point.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Mu Zeta posted:

Dell showed their new 27" iMac copy and it looks ok. Ivy bridge, Blu Ray, etc. Hopefully Apple will hurry the gently caress up.

Showed or released? Cos it is one thing to show the product, but no release date...

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.

You Am I posted:

Showed or released? Cos it is one thing to show the product, but no release date...

For sale in Asia, Engadget says a few weeks for the US.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

There is a 2011 17" MBP in SA-Mart for $1300, no HD. Hell of a price.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Oneiros posted:

After coming to the epiphany that I don't need to carry around hundreds of gigabytes of shameful porn anime, complete archives of the This American Life and The Diane Rehm Show podcasts, and terrible music that I literally haven't listened to in years, I finally made a Responsible Financial Decision™ and ordered a Samsung 830 SSD for my 2010 MBP.

While I'm gleefully rubbing my hands in anticipation of saturating my poor, poor SATA II bus, are there any OS X specific tips/tricks running a non-Apple SSD? Most of the information I find is either horribly out of date or just plain stupid/neurotic like disabling Spotlight or fine-tuning the position of the EFI partition so that blah blah blah :words:. I'm not even sure whether I need to enable TRIM, since evidently Samsung built in their own garbage collection.

You don't have to do either of these things, but aligning your partitions and enabling TRIM do provide some performance benefit.

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arbybaconator
Dec 18, 2007

All hat and no cattle

Bob Morales posted:

There is a 2011 17" MBP in SA-Mart for $1300, no HD. Hell of a price.

Looks like he just raised the price by $200, heh

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