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Mighty Horse posted:As much as I hate Daimler for nearly killing Chrysler, They did this well before that whole nightmare started. Yeah, when I said DC I guess I wasn't clear - not blaming it on Daimler, it was just a horrible carryover from Old Chrysler that it looks like Fiat is determined to kill. Which is great.
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Mighty Horse posted:As much as I hate Daimler for nearly killing Chrysler, They did this well before that whole nightmare started. Ford did it with reasonable success using Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln. Crown Vic Grand Marquis Town Car Explorer Mountaineer Aviator
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May 30, 2012 04:09
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angryhampster posted:Ford did it with reasonable success using Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln. Was there a Lincoln version of the Escape? There were so many Ford/Mercury shares that I'm surprised they didn't toss out a few more Lincoln editions. Edit: As a huge Escort/Tracer/XR3 fanboy my mouth waters at the thought of a compact Lincoln. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 05:51 on May 30, 2012 |
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May 30, 2012 05:46
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angryhampster posted:Explorer Well consider me schooled, I always knew the first two were the same but for some reason the Aviator was always just "Baby Navigator" to me, and I'm usually the one to point out cross pollination to my friends.
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Hot Cops posted:This sounds like a dream compared to Autoblog where every car is a piece of poo poo if it isn't putting more power to the wheels than a Rav 4 The "you could get a v6 Mustang" meme on Jalopnik is getting pretty old. But yeah, the comments on there and TTAC aren't that bad. I've noticed that Sajeev's articles on TTAC tend to have good comments. For car sites, they're pretty mild. Most car sites seem to be full of Freepers, or their Japanese counterparts.
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May 30, 2012 06:48
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Nonsense posted:Wondered if there were any car-news websites that weren't filled to the brim with imbeciles in the comments? Try https://www.topspeed.com on for size. Instead of random imbeciles, the comments seem to be bot-generated or all written by one dude. I've come across this site a couple times through searches and I've never quite figured it out. Example article: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-ar106552.html Blooot fucked around with this message at 07:38 on May 30, 2012 |
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May 30, 2012 07:32
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angryhampster posted:Ford did it with reasonable success using Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln. Is that reasonable success? Mercury has been killed off, how is Lincoln fairing?
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May 30, 2012 07:51
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Rhyno posted:Was there a Lincoln version of the Escape? There were so many Ford/Mercury shares that I'm surprised they didn't toss out a few more Lincoln editions. The mercury mariner was a ford escape.
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May 30, 2012 08:13
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angryhampster posted:Ford did it with reasonable success using Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln. No they didn't. Rebadges really do not resonate with consumers. The Aviator was a commercial failure, and the Mountaineer did not sell to projection either. Try this experiment: get rid of fleet sales for the panthers
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May 30, 2012 11:52
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Yeah, I was just gonna post that. The Aviator was terrible, the Mountaineer hardly sold, and the Grand Marquis/Crown Vic was kept alive by fleet and rental sales. Remember the Lincoln Blackwood? What about the Mark LT?
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May 30, 2012 12:27
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah, I was just gonna post that. The Aviator was terrible, the Mountaineer hardly sold, and the Grand Marquis/Crown Vic was kept alive by fleet and rental sales. Fair enough. Just pointing out that it's something every American maker does in order to gain more market share fromt he same assembly line. I saw a Mark LT at the lake over the weekend. What a goofy truck.
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May 30, 2012 12:36
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There's definitely a right way to do re-badging, but neither of those examples were particularly good. The Ford Edge / Lincoln MKX isn't bad, and the Acadia / Traverse / Outlook triplets are pretty well differentiated.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:There's definitely a right way to do re-badging, but neither of those examples were particularly good. Acadia/Traverse/Outlook/Enclave quadruplets!
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May 30, 2012 12:56
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Since the Outlook is out of production, I didn't include it. edit: I am leaving this post as evidence that I am a crazy person. I meant to include the Enclave not the Outlook. oops.
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May 30, 2012 13:08
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VikingSkull posted:Ma Benz taking over Chrysler was one of the worst things that ever happened to it. They took a profitable company and loving destroyed it. Sergio Marchionne is a pretty cool guy. He's also a supercar enthusiast and logs a lot of track time in Ferraris, Maseratis etc. And he's lived in Canada for a number of years, so he's not completely foreign to the automotive needs and wants of North America. He's probably the best thing that has ever happened to Fiat. He even moved his CEO office from the penthouse down to the engineering department to promote a more collegial style. That's a pretty cool move if you ask me. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 14:16 on May 30, 2012 |
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May 30, 2012 14:12
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Blooot posted:Try https://www.topspeed.com on for size. Instead of random imbeciles, the comments seem to be bot-generated or all written by one dude. I've come across this site a couple times through searches and I've never quite figured it out. Thanks for this and the other suggestions everyone! That glass roof for the GT500 sounds...heavy.
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My only problem with the new Fiat/Chrysler so far is they refuse to bring out a Dart with a hatch 
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Can't really blame them, as the costs to develop vs. potential sales aren't really there. There is a vocal group of people on the internet who want them, but the bulk of the country doesn't. Same thing with Wagons. I love them, many others do, sad fact is the public wont buy them in enough quantities to justify the cost of R/D. Or great example...Look at the Pontiac G8. The exact car so many of us were screaming for. Possibly the best car GM had made in decades, and they barely sold any. Chrysler is still in its recovery period. I was shocked to hear they green-lighted a new Viper. We are getting an SRT Dart...Give them a few more years of success before they start trying the wacky stuff again. Mighty Horse fucked around with this message at 17:18 on May 30, 2012 |
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May 30, 2012 17:14
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The Jetta Sportwagen is pretty drat good and it really hardly sells (20k units per year). Only reason we get it at all is that it has extreme commonality with the Golf and is already produced in quantity for the European market. Wagons are such a non-starter and it's sad.
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Mighty Horse posted:Can't really blame them, as the costs to develop vs. potential sales aren't really there. There is a vocal group of people on the internet who want them, but the bulk of the country doesn't. Yeah but the G8 didn't finally get around to America until our economy collapsed and no one was buying new cars. I saw a used one when I stopped by a Ford dealership and I swear I would have just bought it if the rear seats folded down. I really need a wagon for gear but I've always made due with cars because everyone's rear seats fold down so I can fit an 8' screen or a mountain bike in the car, but it looked like they sacrificed that ability just to have bucket rear seats that can't really fold. With all the badge engineering GM does, I was sad they don't have some low end version of the Cadillac cts wagon.
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I swear I see a ton of the previous-generation Focus wagon. Maybe it's just around here but it seems that that car did pretty well. And re: the G8, I tried to get my dad to consider it when he was car shopping a few years ago but it was roughly the same price as a Cadillac CTS. It had more power but suffered in pretty much every other department relative to the CTS.
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Throatwarbler posted:The mercury mariner was a ford escape. And you'll notice I asked if there was a Lincoln version.
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CornHolio posted:So, several weeks ago I ordered a nicely-specced '12 Ford Fiesta. Turns out, they couldn't put the order in because production on 2012 models was done. My 2013 Fiesta will be built in the next couple of weeks, and it's a bit cheaper! You can check out these spy photos on the refresh: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/ford-fiesta-spy-shots-0/#photo-4896252/ I'd say it looks like a cross between the new Fusion's headlights and the Focus' grill.
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Rhyno posted:And you'll notice I asked if there was a Lincoln version. I was just trying to help.
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Throatwarbler posted:I was just trying to help. I'm not a dummy! But seriously, I could have sworn the was a Lincoln version.
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New toyota auris brochure has leaked: auto express article This is accurate, okay it looks like a 4 year old mazda but it's an improvement right?
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Nonsense posted:That glass roof for the GT500 sounds...heavy. It's what one or two of its horses are designed to help move.
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kimbo305 posted:It's what one or two of its horses are designed to help move. It's 26 extra pounds but if that really bothers you, a tune on an otherwise stock GT500 nets you an extra 50rwhp, and 50rwtq More than enough to carry that glass roof around.
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Cakefool posted:New toyota auris brochure has leaked: auto express article That's the Matrix when it's hecho en Canada, right?
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BonzoESC posted:That's the Matrix when it's hecho en Canada, right? Not exactly. The Matrix is significantly larger (though also based on the Corolla).
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Cakefool posted:New toyota auris brochure has leaked: auto express article
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angryhampster posted:Fair enough. Just pointing out that it's something every American maker does in order to gain more market share fromt he same assembly line. The Blackwood was far more goofy. It had plastic (black) wood trim on the bed, a built in hard tonneau, and a carpeted bed.  The Mark LT was just a tarted up F-150.
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Not to mention those terrible aluminum pinstripes on the bed too. Ugh. Oh, and I learned today that the Mark LT is still in production.
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Mighty Horse posted:Can't really blame them, as the costs to develop vs. potential sales aren't really there. There is a vocal group of people on the internet who want them, but the bulk of the country doesn't. I don't want a wagon, just a hatch back. Which would have really cost them less money based on the Giulietta the Dart's built off of. Plus you can't say people don't like hatchs with the Focus/Fesita/Versa/Accent hatch all outselling their sedan rivals.
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Pseudonym posted:Oh, and I learned today that the Mark LT is still in production. Only in Mexico.
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Are any of those Chinese knock-off cars going to be sold outside of China?VikingSkull posted:I think it's hilarious a trend that started because people left hot rods in primer to concentrate on the go-fast part has evolved into "oh no my matte paint is dirty what ever shall I do?"
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Powershift posted:It's 26 extra pounds but if that really bothers you, a tune on an otherwise stock GT500 nets you an extra 50rwhp, and 50rwtq Made me think about effective range of these cars. Despite gearing and fuel efficient engines, range can't be great. Are fuel tanks maximally sized within safety standards? Or could they be bigger at the cost of lugging more weight around?
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kimbo305 posted:Made me think about effective range of these cars. Despite gearing and fuel efficient engines, range can't be great. Are fuel tanks maximally sized within safety standards? Or could they be bigger at the cost of lugging more weight around? The tank size on a 2012 Mustang GT is 16 gallons, it gets 20 combined EPA MPG, and a range of 288 miles: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31165 A small, self-selected, fuel-consumption aware data set that agrees with the 20 MPG figure from the EPA: https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/mustang/2012/gas%20v8 You could stretch it out to 400 highway miles (= 16 gal * 26 hwy mi/gal), but if it's anything like my 2012 V6, the fuel nanies get really obnoxious with around 4 gallons in the tank, and the manual says: "Avoid running out of fuel because this situation may have an adverse effect on powertrain components." In conclusion, fuel economy is a land of contrasts.
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Some dude on FordSTNation.com who says he works for Ford says that the ST is set for Mass Production #1 on June 18. Also, my uncle works for Nintendo and let me play a 4DS.
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The Focus ST will also be price-plan eligible, for those of you who have A X or D plan pricing.
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