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Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Skandiaavity posted:

Also, are you at FSI any time next week? I'll have time to meet up for lunch if you want.

Let's try for Tuesday or Wednesday. I usually have a break between 10:30 and 12:30. You don't have PMs, but you can send me one with your name (sorry, I'm drawing a blank; I know we've met before) and we can coordinate on State email.

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Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

Business of Ferrets posted:

Let's try for Tuesday or Wednesday. I usually have a break between 10:30 and 12:30. You don't have PMs, but you can send me one with your name (sorry, I'm drawing a blank; I know we've met before) and we can coordinate on State email.

State's fine. Let's shoot for Wednesday, that is bound to be a bit less coordinated. (Tuesday is the first day for training, and thus in Suits). Will do

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Diplomaticus posted:

Heh, it's an Antilles island with supervisory responsibility for 6 other islands. And it speaks Dutch. And it's a CON/POL/PD post with two other officers.

Holy poo poo, that's awesome. How soon do you leave for it?

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
I don't have it, it's just one of the options that I can bid on.

pamchenko
Apr 16, 2011
Every time a State bid list comes out, I want to tell you effers to stick it where the sun don't shine. I comfort myself with the thought that I never have to go to Juarez. Or Lagos.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

pamchenko posted:

Every time a State bid list comes out, I want to tell you effers to stick it where the sun don't shine. I comfort myself with the thought that I never have to go to Juarez. Or Lagos.

Isn't Latin America just about the best you can hope for?

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
I asked for Panama, but it wasn't on my list :smith:

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.
Went to Lencois Maranhenses Park on a personal trip with several other Embassy couples.

We did a 30 minute tourist overflight of the park with girls going on the first trip and guys going on the 2nd.

We hit the top of a tree on our landing. One of the guys I was with is a pilot in the States and looked back at me with the biggest oh poo poo face. About a meter or less in elevation and it would have been a busy Memorial Day weekend for the ACS officer in Recife.

Still did a 4x4 jeep tour and about an hour trek into the dunes, an all day boat tour and some ATVing on the beach. Pretty good Memorial Day weekend :) (especially that part about not crashing in a 4 seater plane)

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.
I almost wound up in Recife or my first tour. It took all my machinations to avoid that one; at the time it was a two-person post, and I wasn't down with that.

Glad to see nobody was hurt in that landing!

pamchenko
Apr 16, 2011

Business of Ferrets posted:

Isn't Latin America just about the best you can hope for?

I don't know, I think Latin America, Eastern Europe, and Southeast Asia are all decent enough. Even Kazakhstan isn't that bad, especially since the AID office is in Almaty instead of Astana. Anyway, I'll never go to Latin America, because I don't already speak Spanish and that makes it incredibly hard to break into that region in AID. Unless I want to go to Haiti or do 4 tours in a row in Afghanistan, there's basically no way. Also, it's not like we're in Chile or Argentina. Aside from Peru and maybe Colombia, I'd 10 times rather go to Vietnam or Bosnia than anywhere we have missions in Latin America, anyway.

But yeah, it's gonna suck coming out of Baghdad with all the Embassy people shooting for WHA or EUR, and I'll be scrambling for Morocco or something. (Nothing against Morocco, I'm sure it would be very interesting.)

pamchenko fucked around with this message at 22:35 on May 28, 2012

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
BOF, I'll be in the caf from 12 to 12:30.. if you want to catch up between then?
I'll stand around the microwave row in a sky blue polo.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Skandiaavity posted:

BOF, I'll be in the caf from 12 to 12:30.. if you want to catch up between then?
I'll stand around the microwave row in a sky blue polo.

Cool, I'll look for you. I will be wearing a fedora and carrying a June 1953 issue of Life magazine.

Jokes, I have no idea what I'll be wearing or carrying. See you then!

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Sounds good.

Apparently, DS wants me to take some classes, too :ughh: (including firearms)

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
My fourth OA is on Friday, in DC. Obviously I know what to expect from experience. I've never studied for the OA beyond familiarizing myself with the dimensions and general format - any suggestions for reading on the flight out?

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Macunaima posted:

My fourth OA is on Friday, in DC. Obviously I know what to expect from experience. I've never studied for the OA beyond familiarizing myself with the dimensions and general format - any suggestions for reading on the flight out?

I didn't prepare for mine at all other than a few mock behavioral interviews with friends and reviewing the dimensions the day before. Read something that will help you relax or focus, depending on your personality... Good luck.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Tyro posted:

I didn't prepare for mine at all other than a few mock behavioral interviews with friends and reviewing the dimensions the day before. Read something that will help you relax or focus, depending on your personality... Good luck.

The structured interview is the only module of the OA that I've passed every time.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
I think I got very, very lucky in my group for the group portion of the assessment. We really rocked it. I personally felt that was the hardest part (because you can't prep for it) and also the part that I had the least control over.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002
Glad specialists don't have to do all that stuff.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

Tyro posted:

I think I got very, very lucky in my group for the group portion of the assessment. We really rocked it. I personally felt that was the hardest part (because you can't prep for it) and also the part that I had the least control over.

I think the group portion is actually relatively easy. If you study the practice ones at the yahoo group, you should have an idea how it should run, and even if the rest of your group does poorly, your efforts on behalf of yourself and the group (you should always be trying to help the group do better) can lift you over the top.

In comparison the CM you never have enough time for and will always be second guessing yourself.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
I actually found CM to be straightforward and finished with plenty of time for editing. I guess everyone experiences it differently!

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Hello:
We are pleased to inform you that we are now accepting applications for the U.S. Department of State's Spring 2013 Student Internship Program.
Click here (http://careers.state.gov/students/programs) to read more about the Student Internship Program, and to start the Gateway to State online application process. Please note that the deadline to submit completed applications is July 02, 2012.
To be eligible for this program, you must be:
• Be a U.S. citizen
• Be a full- or part-time continuing college or university junior, or graduate student (including graduating seniors intending to go on to graduate school).
• Have good academic standing
• Successfully complete a background investigation
• Be able to receive and maintain either a Secret or Top Secret clearance.
Please read the entire vacancy announcement carefully for all qualifications and requirements.
You can also visit our Student Programs forum (http://careers.state.gov/engage/forums/student-programs) to post questions or read discussions about this program.
We appreciate your interest in a career with the U.S. Department of State.
U.S. citizenship is required. An equal opportunity employer.

mtreecorner
Sep 23, 2011

Macunaima posted:

The structured interview is the only module of the OA that I've passed every time.

I'd go on to the yahoo group and download the practice Writing Exercises.

Not sure what you can do for the group exercise other than try to balance the fine line between leadership and teamwork.

Homie S
Aug 6, 2001

This is what it means

Diplomaticus posted:

Hello:
We are pleased to inform you that we are now accepting applications for the U.S. Department of State's Spring 2013 Student Internship Program.
Click here (http://careers.state.gov/students/programs) to read more about the Student Internship Program, and to start the Gateway to State online application process. Please note that the deadline to submit completed applications is July 02, 2012.
To be eligible for this program, you must be:
• Be a U.S. citizen
• Be a full- or part-time continuing college or university junior, or graduate student (including graduating seniors intending to go on to graduate school).
• Have good academic standing
• Successfully complete a background investigation
• Be able to receive and maintain either a Secret or Top Secret clearance.
Please read the entire vacancy announcement carefully for all qualifications and requirements.
You can also visit our Student Programs forum (http://careers.state.gov/engage/forums/student-programs) to post questions or read discussions about this program.
We appreciate your interest in a career with the U.S. Department of State.
U.S. citizenship is required. An equal opportunity employer.

The deadline is important here. Every time I'm at a college doing a career fair and students ask about internships, I always have to tell them "wellllll this summer's application deadline was back in November." A lot of students don't know about the big gap between the application deadline and the internship.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Hello,
We are pleased to inform you that we are now accepting applications for the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Service Construction Engineer positions.
Click here (http://careers.state.gov/specialist/vacancy-announcements/ce) to read the vacancy announcement, and to start the online application process. Please note that the deadline to submit completed applications is July 03, 2012.
Applicants must be U.S. citizens and at least 20 years old to apply and at least 21 years of age to be appointed, available for worldwide service, and able to obtain and maintain all required security, medical and suitability clearances.
All potential applicants are strongly urged to read the entire Vacancy Announcement for all qualifications and requirements.
Please visit our forums if you have any questions, or to search for answers regarding the Foreign Service Specialist selection process. The forums can be found under Engage on the careers.state.gov website.
We appreciate your interest in a career with the U.S. Department of State.
U.S. citizenship is required. An equal opportunity employer.
________________________________________

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
I apparently am getting an intern. Life is AWESOME.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Diplomaticus posted:

I apparently am getting an intern. Life is AWESOME.

Based on their capabilities (always excellent, in our case), we pretty much treated our interns as JOs and had them do a range of pol-econ work. No photocopying for those folks; they had a fantastic experience.

Make it the best internship ever.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Yeah, I had one last year. He was taking the OA when he got back anyway; we had him doing reporting and normal JO stuff. This one comes highly recommended, so I'm sure it's the same for her.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.
Wife got a job via the EPAP and she starts in a few weeks. She'll be an Environmental Affairs Officer at FS-5.


Maxing out TSP here I come!

DasNeonLicht
Dec 25, 2005

"...and the light is on and burning brightly for the masses."
Fallen Rib
What does JO stand for?

Edit:

Thanks
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

DasNeonLicht fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 31, 2012

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Junior Officer.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

TCD posted:

Wife got a job via the EPAP and she starts in a few weeks. She'll be an Environmental Affairs Officer at FS-5.


Maxing out TSP here I come!

Haha much like in the military, nobody knows what most of this poo poo is except us.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
OA tomorrow, and going over the checklist.

I inadvertently e-submitted the SF-86 on eQIP without printing it. Am I dead?

Previously, I brought a personal statement to the OA. It's not on the checklist here any more. http://careers.state.gov/resources/...ist-candidates-

As it stands, all I'm bringing is my US passport. Really don't want to get turned away, after shlepping all the way out here to DC.

EDIT: Just found DS-4017. D'oh!

TheImmigrant fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 31, 2012

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
Don't worry, I filled out my personal statement the night before too. Best of luck. I'm pretty sure there's a way to get at the Eqip through either OPM or DS if you do need to print an archival copy on site.

mute
Jul 17, 2004

Macunaima posted:

OA tomorrow, and going over the checklist.

I inadvertently e-submitted the SF-86 on eQIP without printing it. Am I dead?

I did similar, got a chastising glance and comment and then they let me print it out.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.
I finally get bureau approval for an extension and somebody in assignments shoots me down over a technicality that could be addressed in one of the many conflicting FAM/FAHs statements.

Guess who gets to bid own position?

:negative:

TCD fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 1, 2012

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

TCD posted:

I finally get bureau approval for an extension and somebody in assignments shoots me down over a technicality that could be addressed in one of the many conflicting FAM/FAHs statements.

Guess who gets to bid on position?

:negative:

Have the bureau and post go back and push for you.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Business of Ferrets posted:

Have the bureau and post go back and push for you.

They did...

The answer back was bop again.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
5.0 on the OA, now have passed the structured interview every time. Thought we nailed the group exercise.

Back again next year.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Macunaima posted:

5.0 on the OA, now have passed the structured interview every time. Thought we nailed the group exercise.

Back again next year.

Sorry to hear that man.

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Ronald Spiers
Oct 25, 2003
Soldier
New Language Scoring for FSOT:

quote:

Beginning with the June 2012 FSOT cohort, generalist candidates will receive .17 bonus points for all languages listed here (pdf) if they pass the telephone language test at a speaking level 3 after passing the Oral Assessment. Candidates testing in the eight languages eligible for higher bonus points need only a level 2 speaking ability to obtain a .17. The following eight languages are eligible for higher bonus points: Arabic; Chinese (Mandarin); Hindi; Persian (Dari); Persian (Farsi); Pashto; Urdu; and Korean.

To receive the higher bonus points candidates who pass the telephone test will need to take an in-person, two hour speaking and reading test with the Foreign Service Institute. Those who achieve a minimum score of 3 speaking and 2 reading (S3/R2) will receive .38 bonus points. Candidates who receive a rating of 2 speaking and 1 reading (S2/R1) will receive .25 bonus points. Language bonus points will be granted for one language only. Candidates who choose to take the in-person test and do not meet the minimum S2/R1 score will forfeit ALL language bonus points – in other words they will not receive any language bonus points at all.

We expect candidates will need a country-specific security clearance in order to be eligible for the higher language bonus.

Candidates who receive the higher language bonus points must agree to serve in a country where that language is spoken once during their first two assignments and once after reaching mid-level grades of the Foreign Service.

Candidates whose candidacies began prior to the June 2012 FSOT, that is prior to June 2 2012, will be grandfathered under the previous policy (outlined below).
Effective January 1, 2012, the Foreign Service Institute will only offer phone tests in the languages listed here (pdf). Testing is limited to languages in which the Department has language designated entry-level positions abroad.
All passing scores in languages listed garner an additional .17 points. Those candidates with the following recruitment languages - Azerbaijani, Bengali, Chinese, Gujarati, Hindi, Kazakh, Korean, Kyrgyz, Nepali, Pashto, Persian, Punjabi, Russian, Singhalese, Tamil, Telugu, Turkish, Turkmen, Urdu, and Uzbek – and who opt-in and agree to serve in an assignment where the language is spoken in one of their first two tours, earn a total of .40 points, while those with a passing score in Arabic earn a total of .50 points. To garner these additional points you are obligated to serve in a country where that language is spoken at least twice in your career: once during your first two tours and again after being promoted to the mid-levels of the Foreign Service.
You may take the phone test after you pass the Oral Assessment. The test results are valid for 18 months or for the life of your candidacy, whichever is longer. In addition, you may claim points in only one language but may test in a second language if that language garners more points.
For the phone test, an S-3 proficiency level is required for the following languages: Danish, Dutch, French, German, Haitian Creole, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Romanian, Spanish and Swedish. All other languages listed require an S-2 proficiency.
For information to help you assess your own speaking level, visit http://www.govtilr.org and click on "Speaking" under the skill level descriptions for a general description of the expected proficiency. The speaking self-assessment tool, available on the same site, will also help you estimate your language proficiency.

Great news for people who know difficult languages!

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