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My guess it that that always happened because either A: Turner couldn't be as lenient about overruns as USA always has been or B: that's what WCW thought cliffhangers were. Probably a little of both actually.
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Karmine posted:My guess it that that always happened because either A: Turner couldn't be as lenient about overruns as USA always has been or B: that's what WCW thought cliffhangers were. Probably a little of both actually. Probably B. wasn't post-Nitro just an ep of Thunder in Paradise followed by a Nitro replay
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I am not sure what Hogan was even supposed to do there. Sting took so long to leisurely zip line his way to the ring and all.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Probably B. wasn't post-Nitro just an ep of Thunder in Paradise followed by a Nitro replay
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Perigryn posted:There was that Robin Hood show that they ended up showing the continuation of the preceding Nitro's main event during the commercial breaks. I loved how they kept saying it was live during the break ins. Like we were supposed to believe that Giant and Hogan had been going at it for like 40 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJjgtKgNssI
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ummm.. anyone know how Robocop fits in this angle? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yc9FXJT8HE
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What about when the fantabulous Jay Leno was feuding with Eric and naturally Eric needed his own late night talk show? Even a short sketch would have been pretty bad but that poo poo went on as long as the actual drat Tonight Show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDG2cb88XKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ_r1h_YeXo Who doesn't love Monica Lewinsky jokes?
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Jun 2, 2012 19:32
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Gabe sign!
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iLikeMidgets posted:ummm.. anyone know how Robocop fits in this angle? You just can't subtitle a PPV "Return of Robocop" without bringing out Robocop.  I'd say that it was because this was still a period where WCW was still in flux between becoming a national player as opposed to a local one (Turner had bought it only a year or two earlier and this happened while the NWA and WCW were still affiliated) and they were just doing a stupid promotion. But then I remember about the monster trucks, and Chucky, and really just about all the stupid poo poo they always pulled. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 2, 2012 |
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Jun 2, 2012 20:01
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Zoltarb posted:What about when the fantabulous Jay Leno was feuding with Eric and naturally Eric needed his own late night talk show? Even a short sketch would have been pretty bad but that poo poo went on as long as the actual drat Tonight Show. Jesus, they showed a clip where Leno showed a clip of a previous segment. The recursiveness of that segment is mind blowing. Also love the crowd getting angrier as the segment goes on as the horrible attempts to cover it with canned laughter sort of cover it up.
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Toffile posted:But then I remember about the monster trucks, and Chucky, and really just about all the stupid poo poo they always pulled.
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What are you talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF71kHFzuNA
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Deadpool posted:I loved how they kept saying it was live during the break ins. Like we were supposed to believe that Giant and Hogan had been going at it for like 40 minutes. The second commercial break is funny, too, but the first one is stunning.
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I kinda like how they didn't bother cleaning up the garbage thrown into the ring and the same debris is just sitting there
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Deadpool posted:I loved how they kept saying it was live during the break ins. Like we were supposed to believe that Giant and Hogan had been going at it for like 40 minutes. "We have six minutes before we have to go off the air." (five and a half minute Hogan entrance)
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I love how Vincent almost fell straight on his face.
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Quarex posted:HAHAHA wow, seriously. SERIOUSLY, that is amazing. Tony Schiavone deserves a medal for apparently nailing the transition between "end of Nitro" and "first thing shown during the commercial break" so well that he did not even really pause in the middle of the sentence talking about staying tuned and being glad to have tuned back in. If the Giant had beaten Hogan for the belt, it would have been somewhat forgivable. But ending the "40 minute match" with a run-in was just...wow. Just having "the match" during an hour show was one thing, but not even having a decent ending was a slap in the face. I say this as someone who watched the whole episode.
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This wasn't that dumb of a promotional tactic. Nitro was their top rated show, and they were trying to get an audience for the Robinhood show. Let's give WCW a little credit here, this was obviously a Turner Broadcasting decision. I could legit see WWE and USA doing this.
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It wasn't a Nitro unless it ended with the ring covered in garbage.
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:I always hated how WCW did that. (especially with segments involving Sting) Just as something was about to go down they'd go 'we'll see you next week!!' Every god drat week I think Bischoff once said they did this because they wanted people to feel the action was "real". Like if this was really happening, dudes wouldn't give a poo poo about time cues or doing things to peak at the end of the show, stuff would just happen time limits be damned
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triplexpac posted:I think Bischoff once said they did this because they wanted people to feel the action was "real". Like if this was really happening, dudes wouldn't give a poo poo about time cues or doing things to peak at the end of the show, stuff would just happen time limits be damned I am also sure he thought that if it was a cliffhanger people would return to see the resolution.
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bobkatt013 posted:I am also sure he thought that if it was a cliffhanger people would return to see the resolution. Oh probably. And Nitro's ratings were consistently high at that time, so they probably didn't want to change their "winning formula"
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How many Nitros actually ended with some huge nWo run-in to cause a DQ and beat down the face? I know it happened but has it been blown out of proportion due to time and bashing WCW? Just a rough figure, was it only actually like 10 times or was it literally almost every week like people say it was?
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oldpainless posted:How many Nitros actually ended with some huge nWo run-in to cause a DQ and beat down the face? I know it happened but has it been blown out of proportion due to time and bashing WCW? Just a rough figure, was it only actually like 10 times or was it literally almost every week like people say it was? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I really do remember it being almost every week. But to be fair, WWF in 1998-1999 also had a TON of run-in finishes. You ain't gonna get a clean finish to Austin vs Undertaker on Raw baby, no no you gotta pay for that. Edit: Did anyone watch Vince Russo's live Youshoot?? http://www.pwinsiderxtra.com/ViewArticle.php?id=21963&p=1 Double Edit: Nevermind I see HulkaMatt posted about it in the Indies thread triplexpac fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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oldpainless posted:How many Nitros actually ended with some huge nWo run-in to cause a DQ and beat down the face? I know it happened but has it been blown out of proportion due to time and bashing WCW? Just a rough figure, was it only actually like 10 times or was it literally almost every week like people say it was? in late 96 and early 97, almost every week. it calmed down a bit mid 97.
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triplexpac posted:I think Bischoff once said they did this because they wanted people to feel the action was "real". Like if this was really happening, dudes wouldn't give a poo poo about time cues or doing things to peak at the end of the show, stuff would just happen time limits be damned See and I felt that gave you a sense of reality to the whole thing. There's only so much time to catch the action. WWE went the other way by having overruns but the problem is we now expect the overrun. Nobody watches Raw thinking it will end at 11 anymore. With WCW you knew the action was going to end at 11 and when it did you had a sense of, "gently caress I wanted to see how it all went down!" and sometimes WCW was smart enough to show you what happened when the cameras went off in the next episode so you were quickly caught up and had a reason to look forward to the next two to three hours. Raw and Nitro was full of cliffhangers in the late 90s and I honestly feel that is missing from weekly mainstream wrestling.
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Yeah, I was cool with the cliffhangers. It was frustrating sometimes and funny after awhile but a cliffhanger that leaves you wanting more is a good thing as long as you deliver. And Nitro was pulling it off for awhile. I'm not sure if the nWo beat down ending was quite as often as remembered but it was close. And the memories probably blur with "nWo get a cheap win and celebrate" and "nWo come out for a show ending promo just because." Any way round a night that didn't end with the nWo in the ring for some reason was a rare one.
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I swear there were at least a few Nitros that ended with Hogan playing the air guitar as his music played, and that's it. Like he would just come out for a promo with Eric, they'd talk poo poo, Eric would say "Play us out Hulkster!". The music would start up, Hogan would dance around for like 3 minutes then the show would go off the air.
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triplexpac posted:I swear there were at least a few Nitros that ended with Hogan playing the air guitar as his music played, and that's it. Like he would just come out for a promo with Eric, they'd talk poo poo, Eric would say "Play us out Hulkster!". The music would start up, Hogan would dance around for like 3 minutes then the show would go off the air. I think '98 had a few of those but '97 was all about closing the show off right before WCW started to turn the tide on the nWo so people would think, "IS THIS THE NIGHT?" and then, "WE'RE ALL OUT OF TIME FOLKS!" which was fantastic because nobody was going to stop watching because they didn't see the nWo lose in the last 10 minutes of a Nitro. They were going to tune in again for sure.
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Oh yeah, I definitely remember few of those. The nWo would do their giant show of coming out and hitting their phrases and you'd be waiting for Sting or whatever to happen and nothing. It's like sometimes WCW went with the default, couldn't figure out an ending, and just said screw it.
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I think I may go through the Nitros from the time the nWo started and see exactly how many times it ended like that. What criteria are we looking for here? Just an nWo beatdown ending? Or a cliffhanger ending? Or perhaps a clusterfuck brawl ending? I guess we could do all three.
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Lone Rogue posted:WWE went the other way by having overruns but the problem is we now expect the overrun. Nobody watches Raw thinking it will end at 11 anymore. The overruns help the main event feel less scripted to me. Smackdown always feels weird to have a wrestling match always conveniently finish right around 9:59pm.
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Deadpool posted:I think I may go through the Nitros from the time the nWo started and see exactly how many times it ended like that. What criteria are we looking for here? Just an nWo beatdown ending? Or a cliffhanger ending? Or perhaps a clusterfuck brawl ending? I guess we could do all three. I wanted to know how many ended in an nWo beatdown ending. Whether its a no-contest or DQ win for the face doesn't matter. As long as the face didn't pin/submit the nWo guy for a victory.
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I know it's tied in with most of the beatdowns, but I'd like to know how many eps had a guy getting spraypainted with the nWo logo (or a yellow stripe, which I think Luger and Savage both got) in the final segment of the show.
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Astro7x posted:The overruns help the main event feel less scripted to me. Smackdown always feels weird to have a wrestling match always conveniently finish right around 9:59pm. I remember from when I was a kid back in mid-80s, there was some wrestling show (AWA?) where the main event each week was for the TV title with a time limit of "Television time remaining" which could be anywhere from 6-12 minutes. An easy plot point was for the heel challenger to have the heel champion beaten, but go to a time limit draw because they were out of time on the show.
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I just went though the 1996 Nitros starting after the nWo was formed on 7/7/96. 7/15 - nWo promo, garbage littered ring, WCW wrestlers walk to ringside and are about to brawl, show ends. "We are out of time!" 7/29 - Replayed part of nWo beat down earlier in the show. 8/05 - Cliffhanger as Sting and Luger are trying to get in nWo limo. "We are out of time!" 8/12 - WCW unites and runs nWo out of building through the crowd followed by Flair promo. 8/26 - nWo beat down. Garbage in ring, multiple people spray painted. 9/02 - nWo beat down. Garbage in ring, multiple people spray painted. 9/23 - nWo beat down occurs half way through show. Garbage littered ring, multiple people spray painted. They take over show from that point and replay beat down to end the show. 10/07 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Spray paint. Monster truck teases destroying set as cliffhanger. 10/14 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Spray paint. 11/18 - nWo beat down is averted by cops. Garbage still fills ring. 11/25 - nWo beat down. Garbage. 12/16 - WCW unites. WCW vs nWo clusterfuck brawl. Garbage. "We gotta go!" 12/23 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Security tries to break it up "We gotta go!" 12/30 - nWo beat down. Massive Garbage. Followed immediately by another nWo beat down after kicking Giant out of nWo. Several other shows ended with the nWo either in control of commentary for taking over earlier in the show or doing a promo in ring. EDIT: Alright, here's 1997. I'll do 1998 tomorrow. 1997 1/06 - nWo beat down of The Giant. Garbage. Followed by nWo leaving and Vincent going back to ring ans getting beat down from The Giant 1/13 - nWo run in and attack The Giant after match that occurs during the commercials of The New Adventures of Robin Hood. 1/27 - nWo beat down is stopped by Lex Luger casually strolling to ring which causes the nWo to backdown. 3/03 - Ends in nWo/WCW clusterfuck brawl. "We've gotta go, we're out of time! See ya next week!" 3/17 - nWo beat down is averted by combined forces of WCW and they are run off. Sting points at Hogan. "WCW is back!" - Tony Schiavonni 3/24 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Spray paint. 4/07 - nWo attempts beat down, is run off by Sting and DDP 4/14 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Sting, DDP, Luger, and Giant get bats and are about to enter and take on the nWo. Sting hits Nash. "We're out of time!" 4/21 - nWo surround Flair, Piper, and Kevin Greene in the ring and then "We're out of time!" 4/28 - nWo casually stroll to the ring during Piper and Flair promo. Flair exits ring to head off the nWo. They beat Flair down in the aisle as Piper is completely oblivious in the ring. Piper finally notices, takes off belt and runs out of ring towards nWo as show suddenly ends. 5/05 - nWo beat down. Several run out to try and stop it, nobody can. Garbage. 5/26 - nWo surround Sting in the ring. "We're out of time. Wait we're staying with it." nWo climbs into ring, Sting goes back up to ceiling "He's gone and so are we!" 6/09 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Sting drops down points bat at nWo, grabs DDP and goes back up to ceiling with DDP. "Goodnight everybody!" 6/16 - nWo beat down. Massive garbage. Spray paint. 6/23 - nWo beat down. Massive garbage. Sting makes last second save but DDP is pretty much dead. 6/30 - nWo beat down. Sting makes save. Curt Hennig walks out. Raven jumps guard rail. "We're out of time!" 7/21 - Minor nWo beat down on the Horsemen. Steiners approach ring. "We're out of time!" 7/28 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Giant runs off nWo. They start to come back. Surround the ring. "We're out of time! Goodnight everyone!" 8/04 - Lex Luger fights off attempted nWo beat down during match. Garbage floods ring as crowd anticipates gently caress finish. Match continues, Luger wins Heavyweight Title. Massive garbage. WCW celebration. Still more garbage. 8/18 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Clusterfuck brawl. 8/25 - Clusterfuck ending. "We are out of time, we gotta go!" 9/22 - nWo beat down. Giant headed to ring to stop it. "We are out of time, we gotta go, see ya next week!" 9/29 - nWo beat down. Massive garbage. Sting heads to ring. Clears ring. Then nWo jumps back in the ring and starts fighing. Show ends. 10/13 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Multiple Stings surround the ring. They are beat down. Real Sting clears ring. "We are out of time!" 10/20 - nWo/WCW clusterfuck brawl. Cage lowers over ring. Show ends as brawl continues. 10/27 - nWo beat down. Garbage. Show ends during brawl. 11/10 - nWo beat down Sting. Nobody in WCW wants to help him. Garbage. "We have gotta get out of here!" 11/17 - nWo beat down Giant. WCW roster likes Giant more than Sting so they run in to save him. Show ends as brawl continues. 11/24 - nWo beat down Giant. WCW roster no longer likes Giant for some reason so they don't save him. Sting dummy drops through ring. Show ends. 12/01 - nWo beat down. Garbage. 12/08 - nWo beat down. Sting dummy drops through ring. Magically turns into real Sting. He beats down nWo. 12/15 - nWo beat down. Garbage. DDP and Steiners run off nWo. DDP cuts promo. nWo come back out and cut promo. Stings appear. Show fizzles off the air with pretty much nothing happening. 12/22 - Hogan gets his own head in a box for Christmas. Bret Hart walks out. Sting ziplines to ring. "See ya Sunday!" 12/29 - Sting and Hogan match to end show. "Fans we're out of time!" before match finishes. X-O fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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The pre-nWo Hulk Hogan era WCW was absolutely brutal to watch. There was some great wrestling going on but then there's Hulk loving Babyface Hogan. Pre-Hulk Hogan WCW/NWA was freaking awesome. Even with the no top rope poo poo(which I kinda liked because it made the eventual juniors scene that much more cooler).
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Wasn't it all messed up because they had future plans for guys like Austin and Steamboat, then Hogan came in and they literally dropped everything they were doing, and flashturned Flair heel so he could be Hogan's first program? And then there was Steamboat's injury, Hogan bringing in his buddies, and the rest is history.
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Deadpool posted:nWo beat down. alot. clearly this is one case where it's not hyperbole to say that Nitro ended with an nWo beatdown every week. jesus. that's a crazy list to look at, even as someone who watched each of those episodes live.
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CVagts posted:Wasn't it all messed up because they had future plans for guys like Austin and Steamboat, then Hogan came in and they literally dropped everything they were doing, and flashturned Flair heel so he could be Hogan's first program? Yeah. Not that pre Hogan WCW was very good. 1993 was a lovely lovely year full of lovely PPVs. 1994 before Hogan came in was great, but that was partially because they were in a holding pattern as they negotiated with Hogan so they told Flair to do whatever.
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