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some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
poo poo, I have 6 reallocated on my 1TB, 2 reallocated on my 1.5TB, and 7 reallocated on my boot drive.

The only one I'm not disappointed by is my boot drive, that thing's probably from like 2009.

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Legdiian
Jul 14, 2004

Binary Badger posted:

The 721 reallocated sectors means the data in those sectors was successfully moved to the spare sector area and should be fine..

If that count goes up on the next scan I'd be backing up that drive before doing anything else on that Mac..

I hit "Rescan Drives" and it went to 729.



The "Test" button does this :

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
Get absolutely anything of value off that disk right this second. Use 2GB free Dropbox if you have no other means.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Legdiian posted:

I hit "Rescan Drives" and it went to 729.



The "Test" button does this :



OK, stop posting and start copying poo poo off that disk, important stuff first. Your porn can wait.

Legdiian
Jul 14, 2004

movax posted:

OK, stop posting and start copying poo poo off that disk, important stuff first. Your porn can wait.

Moved everything off this morning. Sounds like that was a good idea! Looks like I'm off to the fruit stand. Glad I extended my AppleCare.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
So my 'new' Powermac G4, again, came with maxed out ram at 2GB (4x512) with 3 different models of memory sticks. 2 Kingston hyperX, 1 micron and 1 generic. Passes AHT extended test fine multiple times. Boots into an old install of 10.5.8 fine. Will not for the life of me do a fresh install of 10.5 with the micron and generic sticks in (essentials package validation error). If I pull them, it installs fine. After the install, I put the sticks back in and try to update to 10.5.8. Nope, fails every time. Pull the sticks, updates like a breeze. Clearly there's something going on with those sticks that is not hard locking the machine during normal use nor is it coming up with AHT extended tests. If I didn't have/want to reinstall OS X or update to 10.5.8, I would have never picked up on this even after running AHT.

How am I supposed to test any new memory with any certainty? How did people do it when PPC procs were the norm? There's no PPC build of memtest except for that pay one that runs in a session of OS X.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
You can probably download a PPC build of Ubuntu or some other Linux; Those might have memtest as a standard boot option.

e: Though maybe not. Apple hardware test CD would be great, but I doubt you have access to that.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Martytoof posted:

You can probably download a PPC build of Ubuntu or some other Linux; Those might have memtest as a standard boot option.

e: Though maybe not. Apple hardware test CD would be great, but I doubt you have access to that.

Just downloaded the latest daily build of ubuntu for PPC and it does not include memtest like the x86 builds. I've already tried AHT on the memory that won't let me install Leopard or updates and it passes it with flying colors after 4 consecutive extended passes.

I really don't want to find a DDR PC just to test this stuff but I could.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Shaocaholica posted:

How am I supposed to test any new memory with any certainty? How did people do it when PPC procs were the norm? There's no PPC build of memtest except for that pay one that runs in a session of OS X.

From what I recall we only ordered RAM from Mac-friendly vendors and if they were bad, RMA them until we got fully working machines.

Don't know what exact model your G4 is but does it have a FW 800 port?

PowerMac MDD G4s need 2.5v, unbuffered, 8-byte non-parity 184-pin DDR SDRAMs; if your chips differ from this spec in any way that could be the reason for them not working.

Edit: this is anecdotal evidence, but I have NEVER seen AHT detect bad RAM in ANY Mac, my personal opinion is that like Disk Utility's SMART reporting, it is only programmed to detect catastrophic worst case scenario failures. I have personally seen Apple System Diagnostics detect it.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jun 3, 2012

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Binary Badger posted:

From what I recall we only ordered RAM from Mac-friendly vendors and if they were bad, RMA them until we got fully working machines.

Don't know what exact model your G4 is but does it have a FW 800 port?

PowerMac MDD G4s need 2.5v, unbuffered, 8-byte non-parity 184-pin DDR SDRAMs; if your chips differ from this spec in any way that could be the reason for them not working.

Edit: this is anecdotal evidence, but I have NEVER seen AHT detect bad RAM in ANY Mac, my personal opinion is that like Disk Utility's SMART reporting, it is only programmed to detect catastrophic worst case scenario failures. I have personally seen Apple System Diagnostics detect it.

Well I coughed up the $1.39 to download memtest os x. Seems like its worth the cost compared to finding a DDR based PC even though I probably could easily next week at work.

The dimms that work are kingston hyper x which I don't think were apple specific. I've never heard of any apple specific memory from SDRAM till the present.

The whole not having a solid first or third party memory test seems a bit dubious on Apple's part. How could you guarantee workstations or servers for mission critical work? You can't just count on having a good RMA service.

Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jun 3, 2012

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
One last thing. Looking for a PCI wifi card for the G4 running 10.5.8. Here's the kicker, it needs to support WPA2(two) and would highly prefer one that does not requite the use of some 3rd party utility. It seems that a lot of the cards out there don't support WPA2.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
My sister upgraded her RAM just fine and she says it's a huge improvement from 2 GB, but that it still felt a bit slow. I had her download that SMART utility program in the last page and it said her hard drive was failing. I'm actually kind of upset by this because she took her MBP to an Apple Store and I would have thought they would have ran a full and through diagnosis on it but she told me all they said was it was slow because of her RAM.

Anyway, I looked for hard drives on Amazon and Newegg for her to order but drat, I don't know if hard drives are still expensive or if SSDs are really that much cheaper now because the choices are either $60 for a 160 GB WD HDD and $90 for the 120 GB Mushkin Chronos SSD. It was a complete no brainer for me to recommend the SSD since her main complaint is that it's slow and she has 100 GB of free space left on her HDD right now with music and pictures.

Now I'm totally jealous because I don't have a SSD nor have I ever used one.

Edit: I just realized I had her buy a single 4GB RAM instead of 2x2GB. I also just saw that her MBP (5,1) supports up to 8GB, I thought it was only 4GB. Whoops. Two questions then: 1) can she mismatch 1x4GB and 1x1GB RAM together? 2) If not (or even if so I guess), is it worth it to buy another 4GB stick to bring it up to 8GB?

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jun 3, 2012

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
Well for platter drives there's just kind of a limit to how low they go price wise, so as you go down in capacity the prices just get out of whack. Otherwise yeah, SSDs have dropped considerably, particularly in the last few months it seems (like 256GB models going for under $1/GB occasionally). There's a price floor with them too though, like I wouldn't bother looking at 40-60GB models cause prices are relatively poor on them compared to bigger drives.

As for mismatched RAM sizes it should be fine, barring random incompatibility. I've run 3, 5, and 6GB in a few of my machines as I've upgraded one and passed RAM down to upgrade the rest.

japtor fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jun 3, 2012

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Matrox announced a Thunderbolt dock for $250



Could they have put less ports on this thing? Ugh.

Nitr0
Aug 17, 2005

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE
hahaha, that is the biggest piece of poo poo for $250 I've seen in a while. Then again I guess it is Matrox!

Celery Jello
Mar 21, 2005
Slippery Tilde
I love the conspicuous spot there where an HDMI port could've gone. That's probably reserved for the $400 model.

e: or two more USB 3.0 ports.

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


How do the networking/routing functions of the Time Capsule compare to other routers? I've never used one.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Abel Wingnut posted:

How do the networking/routing functions of the Time Capsule compare to other routers? I've never used one.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3442319#post396454443

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

Mo0 posted:

I love the conspicuous spot there where an HDMI port could've gone. That's probably reserved for the $400 model.

e: or two more USB 3.0 ports.
The best part is the single Thunderbolt port so it has to be at the end of a Thunderbolt chain. Sucks to be you if you wanted to use a Thunderbolt hub to bridge a Thunderbolt Display and another Mini-DP monitor, I guess.

Still waiting on the Belkin one that's $50 more and has way more ports on it.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Boris Galerkin posted:

Edit: I just realized I had her buy a single 4GB RAM instead of 2x2GB. I also just saw that her MBP (5,1) supports up to 8GB, I thought it was only 4GB. Whoops. Two questions then: 1) can she mismatch 1x4GB and 1x1GB RAM together? 2) If not (or even if so I guess), is it worth it to buy another 4GB stick to bring it up to 8GB?

Aren't 4GB sticks dirt cheap these days? Why not just max it out. I've been maxing out laptops on 8GB(2x4GB) since C2D and its been cheap too.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Mercurius posted:

Still waiting on the Belkin one that's $50 more and has way more ports on it.
I'm sure it has a release date of sometime this century. I hope.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

Shaocaholica posted:

One last thing. Looking for a PCI wifi card for the G4 running 10.5.8. Here's the kicker, it needs to support WPA2(two) and would highly prefer one that does not requite the use of some 3rd party utility. It seems that a lot of the cards out there don't support WPA2.

I don't have a screwdriver handy to tear the card out of my MDD G4, but I *think* I have a Microsoft MN-720 in there. I know it worked out-of-box, but I'm not certain whether it does WPA2. I would give you a better trip report except I am still looking for a copy of Leopard to re-install on that bad boy.

Regardless, I will try to remember to pull the card out tomorrow when I get a minute.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Thunderbolt being terrible so far makes me sad.

All I want is a stupid TB->FW800 box.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

Thunderbolt being terrible so far makes me sad.

All I want is a stupid TB->FW800 box.
You can do it through ExpressCard!

...it'll just cost $250 to get everything together :smith:

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

Thunderbolt being terrible so far makes me sad.

All I want is a stupid TB->FW800 box.

For $250 Sonnet will sell you TB->expresscard and a 2x FW800 expresscard. Pricey, but they actually shipped me one. They at one point had a straight TB->FW800 adapter on their webpage but it disappeared. As far as I can tell, thats the only non hard drive thunderbolt product you can buy at the moment.

^^beaten. I actually have one though!

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

You Am I posted:

I'm sure it has a release date of sometime this century. I hope.
They said September at CES in January but I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't think that either of the docks come with a Thunderbolt cable so you'll need to factor in another $50 to get them to connect to anything. Plus I'm sure they'll manage to tack on an extra $50 for the Australian market just because they can.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Martytoof posted:

I don't have a screwdriver handy to tear the card out of my MDD G4, but I *think* I have a Microsoft MN-720 in there. I know it worked out-of-box, but I'm not certain whether it does WPA2. I would give you a better trip report except I am still looking for a copy of Leopard to re-install on that bad boy.

Regardless, I will try to remember to pull the card out tomorrow when I get a minute.

Hmm, the MN-720 seems to be a PCMCIA card. How does that work -inside- a G4? There's no connection for the built in antenna.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

Shaocaholica posted:

Hmm, the MN-720 seems to be a PCMCIA card. How does that work -inside- a G4? There's no connection for the built in antenna.

I just googled for "microsoft wireless card" so I just guessed it was the mn-720 which it probably isn't; thanks for reminding me though, I'll go pull it out of the box right now and edit my post once I know for sure what it is.

edit: Microsoft Broadband Networking Wireless PCI Adapter MN-730



edit2: For what it's worth though, my MDD G4 has a built in PCMCIA port and Antenna for the Apple AirPort card I guess.

edit3: And again, I'm not 100% sure it does WPA2 -- I can't find a lot of good info online, and I don't have an OS on this MDD to check right now.

some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jun 4, 2012

movax
Aug 30, 2008

We should build a goon-engineered/designed TB product for ourselves. The trick will be convincing Intel that yes, they should devote their resources to supporting our low volume project :smith: (FAEs, etc)

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Shaocaholica posted:

Hmm, the MN-720 seems to be a PCMCIA card. How does that work -inside- a G4? There's no connection for the built in antenna.

Has it's own antenna unlike the Airport card

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


The Microsoft card is probably a PCI format card if it's in the G4 and is one of the earlier ones that uses a Broadcom chip, which doesn't need any drivers. And it probably has an antenna sticking out the back of the card.

This card should work but it requires drivers to be installed. It's a Ralink based card; they're one of the few wireless OEM chip manufacturers that provide Mac support, and their drivers are 10.3/10.4/10.5 compatible and available up on the Asus site.

I have an older Asus that's got a Broadcom chip and doesn't need any drivers, hence it should have WPA2 support. Let me see if I can find it on the Interwebs..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320022

Yeah, it does, just Google hard or try e-Bay, unless you want a wireless-N connection, in which case get what I mentioned above.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jun 4, 2012

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

movax posted:

We should build a goon-engineered/designed TB product for ourselves. The trick will be convincing Intel that yes, they should devote their resources to supporting our low volume project :smith: (FAEs, etc)

I'm so ready to get the popcorn out for this.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Kilometers Davis posted:

I'm so ready to get the popcorn out for this.

The Zybourne Dock.

e: requesting thread title change to Mac Hardware Megathread: Zybourne Dock

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

Binary Badger posted:

The Microsoft card is probably a PCI format card if it's in the G4 and is one of the earlier ones that uses a Broadcom chip, which doesn't need any drivers. And it probably has an antenna sticking out the back of the card.

This card should work but it requires drivers to be installed. It's a Ralink based card; they're one of the few wireless OEM chip manufacturers that provide Mac support, and their drivers are 10.3/10.4/10.5 compatible and available up on the Asus site.

I have an older Asus that's got a Broadcom chip and doesn't need any drivers, hence it should have WPA2 support. Let me see if I can find it on the Interwebs..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320022

Yeah, it does, just Google hard or try e-Bay, unless you want a wireless-N connection, in which case get what I mentioned above.

Thanks. I've give the WL-138g V2 a try. Fingers crossed.

Argyle
Jun 7, 2001

What's Apple's replacement policy with accessories? My 2-year old wireless keyboard just crapped out. The "p" ";" "/" and "-" keys no longer respond. I tried new batteries, re-pairing, nothing.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
I've been using the HDD in my optical bay as my time machine since January so I finally sprung for an external drive to use instead. It's a 2TB USB3 Seagate GoFlex - it failed during the initial backup with an error about not being able to create a folder or something but when I replugged the thing it finished the backup. If I leave it plugged in for a while it'll back up fine once or twice then throw the error about not being able to create a folder, then when I try to eject it an error about it being in use comes up. Replug the thing and it backs up for a while problem free and repeats.

Is it an issue with the GoFlex or my hardware/OSX setup? Pain in the rear end since the box/receipt are at my parent's house 140mi away.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


^^^ Did you reformat the GoFlex as an HFS Extended with Journaling volume? Time Machine really really wants the hard drive to be in that format so it can use all the OS X specific filesystem stuff.

Argyle posted:

What's Apple's replacement policy with accessories? My 2-year old wireless keyboard just crapped out. The "p" ";" "/" and "-" keys no longer respond. I tried new batteries, re-pairing, nothing.

If you bought it with your machine and you bought AppleCare at the same time, and it's been less than three years since the original purchase, it would be covered. If you bought it separately, they'd probably tell you you're outta luck.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jun 4, 2012

1997
Jan 20, 2008

calmer than you are

Argyle posted:

What's Apple's replacement policy with accessories? My 2-year old wireless keyboard just crapped out. The "p" ";" "/" and "-" keys no longer respond. I tried new batteries, re-pairing, nothing.

You buy a new one.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

Binary Badger posted:

^^^ Did you reformat the GoFlex as an HFS Extended with Journaling volume? Time Machine really really wants the hard drive to be in that format so it can use all the OS X specific filesystem stuff.


Yeah :/

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Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
The ATI 9800 Pro arrived and it don't fit :(

It looks exactly like this:



and I have a G4 MDD whose AGP slot only goes up to the first notch from the left. I still have the 'aux' connector on the far left but the first section of pins in the main connector is absent on my G4 if that makes any sense. I can make the card physically fit by cutting the first notch from the left deeper but I'm not sure if that will work electrically.

Edit: It looks like this card was made for the G5. Still not sure if it will work in a G4 if I cut that notch.

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