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They need to hire actual writers, and editors. They can come up with the ideas and the visuals (no questions there), but there's no one there to say "wait a minute, this script is garbage and makes no sense." See also, Hideo Kojima. And that's why you end up with XIII's horrific pacing and extraneous cutscenes. Or the complexity addiction SE has for Kingdom Heart's plot, and the plot of things like Dissidia and XIII-2, where everything must be needlessly mired down in obtuse dialogues and plot-twists, for no other reason that to make it seem like it has more depth than it actually has.
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It never ceases to amaze me how footage that doesn't come close to showing any gameplay or telling a story can build hype. I mean there are people who are still looking forward to Versus XIII? Based on what?! Hell, any hype is mind-boggling when you consider the track record of Square-Enix. On a lighter and more nostalgic note: does the theory that everyone's favourite FF game was their first hold true?
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Jun 6, 2012 16:18
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VagueRant posted:On a lighter and more nostalgic note: does the theory that everyone's favourite FF game was their first hold true? Nope because not only did I hate FFIV as a child it took me playing it on 4 different systems as an adult before I finally willed myself past the no metal items dungeon (via very, very heavy savestate abuse and fastforwarding).
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Jun 6, 2012 16:28
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VagueRant posted:It never ceases to amaze me how footage that doesn't come close to showing any gameplay or telling a story can build hype. I mean there are people who are still looking forward to Versus XIII? Based on what?!
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Jun 6, 2012 16:40
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4 was my first, but I'd probably rank all 3 of the SNES games together in one group as my favorite. 
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Jun 6, 2012 16:48
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I'd go so far as to say a better theory would be that everyone's first FF is never their favorite. Played 7 first but now my faves are 12, 9 and 6.
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Jun 6, 2012 16:54
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To be fair though, FF1 was my first RPG period and I had no idea what I was doing despite having the Nintendo Power strategy guide. FF6 was probably the first where I really understood the game mechanics to any significant degree.
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Jun 6, 2012 16:54
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FF7 was my first, FF9 is my favourite, FF5 is the one I think has the best gameplay.
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Jun 6, 2012 16:56
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VagueRant posted:
Not me either. 7 was my first, yet I prefer 9 to it in almost every way.
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Jun 6, 2012 17:01
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Started with 4, favorite is either 3 or 5 (I'm weird like that). e: Still love 4 though. Mega64 fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 6, 2012 |
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Jun 6, 2012 17:08
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Nope, it's just a fallacy thrown around by people who plug their ears and shout "ROSE TINTED GLASSES!!!" The first one I played was 4, then 7, then 8, then 6, then 5, then 9, and then the 1 a couple years later. 9's my absolute favorite, and after that, FF1.
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Jun 6, 2012 17:10
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I'm really happy to see that so many people count 9 as their favorite since internet opinion on it seems to vacillate a lot. I've always loved it and thought it was charming as hell. The only thing I would really change about it is the slowness of combat.
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Jun 6, 2012 17:12
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VagueRant posted:It never ceases to amaze me how footage that doesn't come close to showing any gameplay or telling a story can build hype. I mean there are people who are still looking forward to Versus XIII? Based on what?! Well, they HAVE put out Versus XIII previews that had something very much like gameplay. Sure, it mostly looked like they slapped a new graphics engine over some kind of Kingdom Hearts gameplay, but there are worse options out there. Which is what makes it so baffling that the game has disappeared for the last year and a half- they seemed to have graphics and gameplay at least partially worked out, and then total blackout. Anyway, the first FF I played was 4, but the first I owned and beat was 6. 6 still ranks in my top three with 12 and 9. 4 doesn't really rank.
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Jun 6, 2012 17:17
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Pablo Gigante posted:I'm really happy to see that so many people count 9 as their favorite since internet opinion on it seems to vacillate a lot. I've always loved it and thought it was charming as hell. The only thing I would really change about it is the slowness of combat. Echoing that 9 is my favourite. Started with 6 then 7,8 etc. For those of you that never played 11, the plot(s) and setting are actually really interesting and are worth finding a website that does a summary with screenshots if you're bored.
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Jun 6, 2012 17:26
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First was 7, favourite is 6, and I still have a soft spot for 3.
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Jun 6, 2012 17:27
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First FF I played was the original. Don't have a favourite really, but XII, IV, V, VI, and VII would be at the top of my list.
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Yar The Pirate posted:I have no idea what the problem is with that tech demo. It makes me excited to see what Square has in store. Thing is, all they got to show for this console gen is XIII and XIII-2 I guess (XIV doesn't count). Compare that to all the games they released back when the PS2 was around. Yeah. It sucks.
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Jun 6, 2012 18:06
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Six was my first and favorite so go figure.
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Jun 6, 2012 18:09
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7 was my first, but 12 and 13-2 are my favorites (12 beats 13-2, of course)
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6 was the first time I actually played Final Fantasy, and it's tied with 7 as my favorite.
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VaultAggie posted:Six was my first and favorite so go figure. That's just because it is the best one, not because you played it first.
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Azure_Horizon posted:Who cares? It looks cool and could make for a good game if they explain what's going on. It's not difficult to see that it's a magic vs. technology war -- the insurgents have chemicals that can genetically gently caress with animals as well as carry modern weaponry, the mages have magic that can electrify and summon beasts. FF Type-0 basically has this premise. I can't seem to find a video of it but the game's opening depicts a big battle between magic and tech users. The magic users get mercilessly slaughtered until motherfuckin' ODIN shows up. EDIT: Found it. I guess it's NWS since it's rather violent for a FF game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klTvElxgqk8 EDIT2: drat I love that theme. Too bad it will never be released here 
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Jun 6, 2012 18:37
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Renoistic posted:EDIT: Found it. I guess it's NWS since it's rather violent for a FF game. Bahamut getting gunned down: 
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Azure_Horizon posted:Who cares? It looks cool and could make for a good game if they explain what's going on. It's not difficult to see that it's a magic vs. technology war Kinda like FF8, your favoritest FF?
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The White Dragon posted:Nope, it's just a fallacy thrown around by people who plug their ears and shout "ROSE TINTED GLASSES!!!" The first one I played was 4, then 7, then 8, then 6, then 5, then 9, and then the 1 a couple years later. 9's my absolute favorite, and after that, FF1. I notice FF gets a huge internet pass because, besides being a good game, people feel guilty it was overlooked (by square, or the audience, I dunno) and the fact that its "throwback" concept never bogs it down into doing stupid things old games did, so it feels like a refinement. It's also the last "classicy" type fantasy, and more than a few fans connect the "modern" setting of the games with a decline in quality (even tho its a coincidence). Yknow how people cite Advent Children as a bad example of making something based on fan memories rather than what something actually was? 9 is a good example of that, re: emulating older FF games. Semirelatedly, watching a goon Lets Play of FF13-2 and the scenes where Light owns a bunch of poo poo on a magic horse, am I still amazed Square has yet to do a "Fabulous God of War" Kingdomhearts-battles-cranked-to-eleven spectacle fighter action game on a home console. keet fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 6, 2012 |
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Jun 6, 2012 20:30
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Krad posted:Bahamut getting gunned down:
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I guess I'm one of the few who's first FF was their favorite. Played 10 first and then went back to the older ones, but it still remains my favorite. And from what I've heard, Type-0 actually turned out to be a stinker, which is a shame.
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Pierson posted:Was this confirmed for the US/EU? There was going to be an english patch but the people working on it gave up. It has not been mentioned at E3 so it is extremely unlikely we're getting the PSP version. There are rumors of a "Type-0 International" for the Vita but nothing to back them up.
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penguinmambo posted:Semirelatedly, watching a goon Lets Play of FF13-2 and the scenes where Light owns a bunch of poo poo on a magic horse, am I still amazed Square has yet to do a "Fabulous God of War" Kingdomhearts-battles-cranked-to-eleven spectacle fighter action game on a home console. They tried, Drakengard was an unplayable piece of poo poo and Square is generally afraid of ever trying the same thing twice. I'm curious if that PSP port of FF5 is still in the works.
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Minrad posted:They tried, Drakengard was an unplayable piece of poo poo and Square is generally afraid of ever trying the same thing twice. Nier, on the other hand... But that's not SE.
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Krad posted:Nier, on the other hand... I thought they published it, with Cavia developing, same as Drakengard.
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Jun 6, 2012 20:49
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Yeah, they just published. It's like saying Batman AA and AC were made by them.
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Oh, oops. Still, didn't it do pretty lousy either way? I know it sold a sequel but I always heard a lot of bad reviews and never heard much about the game.
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FF4 was my first, and nearly my least favorite (only a bit better in some ways than Mystic Quest). The best FF is obviously Tactics.  if I had to pick a numbered game, it's definitely 7.
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Minrad posted:Oh, oops. Still, didn't it do pretty lousy either way? I know it sold a sequel but I always heard a lot of bad reviews and never heard much about the game. It was a great game but sold like crap. I've heard they're making a mint selling the various soundtracks, though (I've bought most of them myself).
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Renoistic posted:It was a great game but sold like crap. I've heard they're making a mint selling the various soundtracks, though (I've bought most of them myself). I think they're talking about Drakkengard not Nier which is pretty much the opposite in every sense. The soundtrack is on purpose discordant and repetitive noise.
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Barudak posted:I think they're talking about Drakkengard not Nier which is pretty much the opposite in every sense. The soundtrack is on purpose discordant and repetitive noise. Whoops, you're right. The Drakengard 1 soundtrack is amazing, though.
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Renoistic posted:Whoops, you're right. The Drakengard 1 soundtrack is amazing, though. i. hear. a. sound. "I burn in a basin of fire-" And for how utterly bad the sequel was, in terms of lack of fuckedupness, it had some drat fine music: Forbidden Prelude
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first was 10, played 11th (before i understood what an mmo was), then 13  I feel like i got the short end of the stick from that "list" i'd say 10 was my favorite (probably the only one out of the three with the jrpg mechanics), never got past seymour/his mama however bef fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jun 6, 2012 |
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Schwartzcough posted:Kinda like FF8, your favoritest FF? We're talking about games that make actual sense here. Also, Drakengard II's OST is better than the first and is one of my favorite soundtracks ever.
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