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freezepops posted:I imagine its due to cost, I wouldn't be surprised if Intel simply charged more money to use the Intel MAC than Broadcom does for an entire IC. Its not driver related as Intel NICs have working OSX drivers and the integrated Intel ethernet works fine on my hackintosh without any effort on my part. I was thinking this as well, and it's a reason a lot of motherboards include a Realtek IC at the expense of a PCIe lane (well, not really I guess because you consume one of the eight for the 82579 PHY anyways). But I figured that Apple of all people would not really care that much about the added BOM cost of an Intel PHY.
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Does anyone have benchmarks for the 2.3 vs 2.6 handy? I'm trying to figure out if the CPU spec bump is worth the extra cash.
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I'm trying to figure out what to do, I have a $2,500 employee allowance for equipment this year that I gotta use by November. I've been wanting the retina screen because I deal with massive spreadsheets all day while traveling to and from clients, and having a display like would make life a lot easier. Although as soon as I add in the warranty, tax an additional software licenses (Windows, Office, etc) to it, I'll have basically blown my dumb poo poo budget (in addition to my employee allowance) before summer begins  Is it reasonable to assume there might be a small update to the retina after the summer craze/promo ends? tl;dr I have to use my employee allowance before the year end and I need a laptop, should I get the retina now or hold off and see if they have a update between now and November that makes the high end specs slightly more affordable
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Jun 11, 2012 23:01
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morothar posted:Does anyone have benchmarks for the 2.3 vs 2.6 handy? I'm trying to figure out if the CPU spec bump is worth the extra cash. I'm almost certain it won't be worth the cash. What is your primary application for the machine? Is there anything before the CPU that could bottleneck you (I/O, memory, etc). e: ^^ don't think you should hold out hope bro. Maybe Back-to-School will give you free App Store $$$?
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:I'm trying to figure out what to do, I have a $2,500 employee allowance for equipment this year that I gotta use by November. I've been wanting the retina screen because I deal with massive spreadsheets all day while traveling to and from clients, and having a display like would make life a lot easier. Although as soon as I add in the warranty, tax an additional software licenses (Windows, Office, etc) to it, I'll have basically blown my dumb poo poo budget (in addition to my employee allowance) before summer begins The screen is not going to provide much benefit to your spreadsheets. The pixels are doubled in applications.
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Jun 11, 2012 23:02
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spaceship posted:The screen is not going to provide much benefit to your spreadsheets. The pixels are doubled in applications. They are? I thought it would render the desktop as if it was a 2880x1800 canvas, much like people with 2560x1600 displays see.
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Jun 11, 2012 23:03
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spaceship posted:The screen is not going to provide much benefit to your spreadsheets. The pixels are doubled in applications. You can adjust it.
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Jun 11, 2012 23:05
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movax posted:They are? I thought it would render the desktop as if it was a 2880x1800 canvas, much like people with 2560x1600 displays see. no - it's more like the iphone 4/4s or the ipad 3 afaik
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Jun 11, 2012 23:08
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movax posted:They are? I thought it would render the desktop as if it was a 2880x1800 canvas, much like people with 2560x1600 displays see. 2880 x 1800 would be completely unusable on a 15" screen. The question is whether the 1920x1200 mode looks bad or not. I might consider trying to sell and upgrade to the new 13" Air with an 8GB RAM option, but even then I'm not sure if it's worth the time and effort.
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Jun 11, 2012 23:10
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El Duke Silver posted:the MBP:TNG is pretty much a 15" Air, unless you were looking for a 15" Air that followed the Air price structure. I'm a student, so the TNG is pretty much out of reach for me  . Really like having a 15" screen, though.
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Sulk posted:2880 x 1800 would be completely unusable on a 15" screen. The question is whether the 1920x1200 mode looks bad or not. Man, I might just go to the Fruit Stand later this week to play with it in person so I don't sound like a moron and actually research what I post about some more. 
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I wonder if the screen defaults to 2880x1800 running windows in bootcamp There's your excel right there
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Is there any word on how many gigs of ram the non-Retina MBPs can handle if you chose to upgrade yourself? I notice you can upgrade the MBPTNG to 16GB but all of the 15" MBPs have no option to go beyond 8GB.
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Okay, well last question. If I go with the 256 gig size  , will there be a lot of lag if I use a USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt external?I need 16 gigs of ram because the files are that massive, but If I upgrade to the next model, will the additional processing power make that much of a difference in performance? My work mostly centers around massive spread sheets, excel and VBA. If spending $500 will net me give me a noticeable performance bump/time saved, or increase the longevity then I'll begrudgingly spend it.
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movax posted:Man, I might just go to the Fruit Stand later this week to play with it in person so I don't sound like a moron and actually research what I post about some more. Yeah, I'll definitely see it in person within the next couple days. I'm honestly surprised that 8GB is a BTO option, though, and not in the better config.
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:Okay, well last question. If I go with the 256 gig size Disk access will be slower, yes. This may be OK though, if your access is sequential instead of lots of random I/O. It sounds like you mostly need memory over anything else, so I'd spend money on RAM and/or disk upgrades before upping the CPU by 300MHz. Remember, for awhile increasing RAM was the way to prolong the useful life of a computer. Now it's throwing in a SSD. Lots of machines suffer from RAM and I/O bottlenecks before the raw CPU power starts affecting things. The biggest CPU decision to make these days is how many cores.
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Thanks for the help, I am off to blow my summer budget.
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movax posted:Disk access will be slower, yes. This may be OK though, if your access is sequential instead of lots of random I/O. It sounds like you mostly need memory over anything else, so I'd spend money on RAM and/or disk upgrades before upping the CPU by 300MHz. An external SSD over Thunderbolt is not going to be limited speed wise any more than an internal one unless I'm mistaken (not sure about USB 3.0). The whole point of Thunderbolt is to have the full bus speed available externally.
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flavor posted:An external SSD over Thunderbolt is not going to be limited speed wise any more than an internal one unless I'm mistaken (not sure about USB 3.0). The whole point of Thunderbolt is to have the full bus speed available externally. Eh, I assumed he'd have platter storage on the other end of TB. But yeah, a SSD shouldn't suffer a noticeable penalty if it's sitting on a SATA 3 controller behind a TB link. USB 3.0 will suffer a bit, SSD or not, because it'll depend on the DMA implementation of the controller, I think.
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I really like the physical appearance of the Air but I'm not looking to make the jump to OS X; would the Air make a decent Windows 7/Window 8 machine? I read some reviews on the 2011 Air running Windows 7 and it didn't sound horrible, but I thought there might be some goons who could provide better insight into such a setup.
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Jun 11, 2012 23:37
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Welp, bought a retina MBP since they look loving amazing. This thing should provide some good motivation to start finding some paid DJing gigs at least!
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spaceship posted:The screen is not going to provide much benefit to your spreadsheets. The pixels are doubled in applications. If the fonts are rendered 'right', in theory you could just zoom out to 50% and it'd be all good, right?
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 I'm really, really anxious to see an iFixIt teardown of this. I wonder how many chips are on the other side? Is that SSD or RAM in the middle?
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Bob Morales posted:If the fonts are rendered 'right', in theory you could just zoom out to 50% and it'd be all good, right? Yes in theory, Most of the problem i have when I'm coding is resolution of text, the smaller the font, the slightly harder it becomes to make out things clearly BECAUSE of low PPI ... I'm positive that higher PPI will solve this. I say this because i have a 2011 MBA, and also a 27" 1080p work monitor. When coding on the 13" monitor the fonts are clearer at smaller sizes because of the higher PPI on my 13" air compared to the 27" monitor. Sometimes its plain horrible to use that monitor, the PPI is just HORRIBLE. Bob Morales posted:
It's ram, also to its lower right is the harddrive and it looks built INTO the motherboard... so goodbye upgrade
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Bob Morales posted:
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/design/ There's a better picture around midway down the page. The SSD seems to be removable.
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I kinda hope that's true. I ended up ordering the base model retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and a T/bolt ethernet adapter.
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I love timing sometimes. I finally get money and, hey, new MBP! Is the 2.6 -> 2.7 worth it if I am using it as a desktop replacement, and likely to have to stick with it for a refresh or two?
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Mr Man posted:Yes in theory, I always forget how razor sharp Retina text is, then I look at my iPad. If I could have that kind of display in my Terminal windows or code... I could probably go down 4 font sizes.
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Shin-chan posted:There's a better picture around midway down the page. The SSD seems to be removable.  The flash/SSD is the little chips on the left side, below the fan. What about that looks removable to you?
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Shin-chan posted:http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/design/ B...but... my battery! I thought they used to be so proud of the battery being like one big unit and now it's these 6 little ones. 
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That's how the battery is on the iPad as well IIRC.
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Shin-chan posted:http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/design/ Why does that page call the SSD simply "Flash." Is it just marketing jargon?
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why does that page call the SSD simply "Flash." Is it just marketing jargon? Seems like it. 
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Bryne posted:
Looks removable to me. The silver part just to the right of the chips is the socket. You can see the edge of the PCB as well if you look closely. The socket looks similar to the one in iFixit's teardown of the Air. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Air-13-Inch-Mid-2011-Solid-State-Drive/6371/2
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why does that page call the SSD simply "Flash." Is it just marketing jargon? [edit] Okay, I may be wrong about the replaceability.
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I saw somewhere else someone mentioned that the stores actually have the new retinas in stock. Anyone get one from there yet?
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hannibal posted:Looks removable to me. The silver part just to the right of the chips is the socket. You can see the edge of the PCB as well if you look closely. The socket looks similar to the one in iFixit's teardown of the Air. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Air-13-Inch-Mid-2011-Solid-State-Drive/6371/2 Agreed, it looks just like the MBA hard drive.
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Welp, just bought a MBPR to replace my 2010 15". I've been waiting for a better screen (IPS) and more RAM as I do photography and use VMs at work. 768GB/16GB here I come!  I am hoping the improved cooling system makes for better lap temperatures. My current MacBook can't be used on my lap without some sort of lap 'desk'. Too much heat! Looks like ship times are 2-3 weeks out regardless of the configuration.
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flavor posted:B...but... my battery! I thought they used to be so proud of the battery being like one big unit and now it's these 6 little ones. When and why would they be proud of the battery being in one piece, especially after the unibody redesign?
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Comrade Flynn posted:I saw somewhere else someone mentioned that the stores actually have the new retinas in stock. Anyone get one from there yet? I asked support and they said they didn't know when retail stores would be getting them. I'm going to call in the morning to see what's up. jink posted:Looks like ship times are 2-3 weeks out regardless of the configuration. I'm getting 5-7 business days to ship on the Canadian store.
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