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Called & that's exactly what they have. Bummer. (I want 13" + i7 + 8GB but with the 256GB drive.)
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Bob Morales posted:
And that'll be 3 giant screens of linen if you full screen an app, right?
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CaptainCrunch posted:And that'll be 3 giant screens of linen if you full screen an app, right? Yes. (I've done something similar - RMBP built in screen, HDMI->DVI output, 2x mDP-DVI adapters)
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Jun 20, 2012 20:17
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CaptainCrunch posted:And that'll be 3 giant screens of linen if you full screen an app, right? But if you use better touch tool, it doesn't matter.
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I want the ThunderBolt to Ethernet adapter to replace the USB to Ethernet adapter for my MacBook Air, but there's basically no reason for me to spend the money. I just want to plug something into the ThunderBolt port for once. 
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Jun 20, 2012 20:22
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:I just want to plug something into the ThunderBolt port for once. Plug a DisplayPort monitor (or the miniDP->DVI adapter) in and pretend.
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Jun 20, 2012 20:32
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Sebb posted:The battery on my mid-2009 MBP just started throwing up a service battery warning. I have less than a week left of AppleCare, and it's covered for a free replacement. I had to bicker back and forth with Apple a few times to replace my battery under AppleCare. "Yeah the battery is just used up you gotta buy a new one." No asshat, your goddamn operating system says the battery needs service, not just replacement.
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If you were wondering like I was, the new macbook airs have the asymmetrical fans like the macbook pro retina computers. Ifixit confirmed it. http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Air-13-Inch-Mid-2012-Teardown/9457/2
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I'm having a bit of an issue trying to install an SSD into my 2009 MBP (core2duo, 4gb RAM). The install of the hardware went fine, and I created a bootable Lion USB stick and can get all the way to the install process. However, the install says its going to take 15+ hours to complete. In the installer log, it shows that its copying packages to the drive but is just taking forever. The USB stick is fine, I've tested the read/write speeds on it and it should not be taking this long. Is it possible the HDD is bad, or is there some issue with installing from a USB stick I'm unaware of?
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pctD posted:I'm having a bit of an issue trying to install an SSD into my 2009 MBP (core2duo, 4gb RAM). The install of the hardware went fine, and I created a bootable Lion USB stick and can get all the way to the install process. However, the install says its going to take 15+ hours to complete. In the installer log, it shows that its copying packages to the drive but is just taking forever. The USB stick is fine, I've tested the read/write speeds on it and it should not be taking this long. Sounds like something has gone horribly wrong. Installing Lion from a usb flash drive to a SSD shouldn't take more 20 minutes, 30 tops if your flash drive is poo poo. Is the SSD new? Did you do anything weird like write it full of 0s in disk util?
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Oneiros posted:Sounds like something has gone horribly wrong. Installing Lion from a usb flash drive to a SSD shouldn't take more 20 minutes, 30 tops if your flash drive is poo poo. The SSD is brand new. The only thing I did to it was format it through disk utility to whatever the default is before the install. Edit: I tried copying a file from the mounted usb stick to the drive through terminal and it took 10 minutes to copy 22mb, even though it loads into the installer environment in ~30 secs. I'm assuming the SSD is the culprit at this point and will be returning it. It is a Crucial M4 128gb. pctD fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 21, 2012 |
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UnbornApple posted:I had to bicker back and forth with Apple a few times to replace my battery under AppleCare. "Yeah the battery is just used up you gotta buy a new one." No asshat, your goddamn operating system says the battery needs service, not just replacement. Does it give the service message when the battery is just flat-out worn out?
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I've never owned a macbook before and I'm pretty much committed to getting myself an air for work/school. I'm looking on the website and I can't tell if I should go for a couple of upgrades, namely the 8gb of RAM, or if I can upgrade that later?
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You can't upgrade it later, but I would say that unless you're doing virtualization 4GB is fine.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:You can't upgrade it later, but I would say that unless you're doing virtualization 4GB is fine. Cool, thanks for the fast response. My other question is how big is the mac os? If I buy just the 128gb model will like 30gb be taken up by the os like it seems it is on windows?
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Ramadu posted:Cool, thanks for the fast response. My other question is how big is the mac os? If I buy just the 128gb model will like 30gb be taken up by the os like it seems it is on windows?
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This may be a stupid question, but since the ssds in the new Retina MBP and MB Airs are non-replaceable (at least by anyone that isn't Apple), should one be concerned with using the drives like regular hard drives? I mean, will the SSD performance degrade over time? I guess regular browsing / downloading would be ok, but I am assuming one shouldn't be doing anything crazy with writes (such as torrenting for example) ?
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Ars has a hands-on review of the Thunderbolt Ethernet adapter: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/hands-on-apples-thunderbolt-gigabit-ethernet-adapter/ quote:With the Thunderbolt Gigabit Ethernet adapter, I now get to do that at 50 to almost 100 MBps—I got 45 to 65 MBps transferring a file from my MacBook Pro's drive to my MacBook Air's drive over the network and 100MBps transferring a file that was in the MBP's disk cache, so its slow HDD was out of the equation. 
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Bonobos posted:This may be a stupid question, but since the ssds in the new Retina MBP and MB Airs are non-replaceable (at least by anyone that isn't Apple), should one be concerned with using the drives like regular hard drives? I mean, will the SSD performance degrade over time?
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Plus NAND doesn't get slower as its write cycles get used up. It just stops working. For typical consumer workloads, you're looking at literally a decade of heavy desktop use (downloading games, installing programs, shuffing movie files around, etc.) before a modern drive from a good manufacturer kicks the bucket.
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Did anyone who ordered their MBP:R the evening of the announcement get an update on shipping before July 2-9? I've hit that point where dropping 2k on a machine that might arrive a month later is really hurting 
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Not sure if this is a hardware or a software issue, but I've been having a problem with my Mid-2012 MBP (13") freezing a lot. The first time it was a kernel panic for sure, but the second and third times it didn't give me any message. I was doing basic music listening and web browsing - nothing out of the ordinary. I'm taking it to the Apple Store tomorrow, but I am just curious if anyone else has had this sort of issue.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Lion is ~8 GB, I believe. That's without iLife or iWork or anything else installed -- just Lion. Don't forget the 650 MB recovery partition that gets laid in by the installer.
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Factory Factory posted:Plus NAND doesn't get slower as its write cycles get used up. It just stops working. I work in IT and we have clients who have used SSD on database servers since they came out and so far none have failed. These get far more stress than a consumer could ever put on their own hard drive and have been in use for ~5 years in some case. Granted, when they fail, it is catastrophic because they just quit working flat out but every positive has a negative but I don't think a consumer will really "wear out" their ssd unless they use their computer for 10 years or went cheap.
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Okay I got my MBPR refund. I'm buying a 13" MBA. Is it worth upgrading from the 1.8GHz i5 to the 2.0GHz i7? I know it's still dual-core, but 1.8-2.8 up to 2.0-3.2 seems like an ok upgrade for $100. Any opinions/benchmarks/whatever?
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Shaocaholica posted:So I'm getting lackluster transfer speeds from an external drive. Either it's because of the NTFS formatting (You might be using some slow NTFS driver like Apple's) or your firewire cables might be crappy. Firewire controllers can negotiate the speed down to 100/200/400 Mbps if they think your cables are crap.
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flyboi posted:I work in IT and we have clients who have used SSD on database servers since they came out and so far none have failed. These get far more stress than a consumer could ever put on their own hard drive and have been in use for ~5 years in some case. SSDs also have decently reliable SMART wear data that will give you some pre-warning if they're about to fail, which a typical HDD (to the best of my knowledge anyway) can't really give you.
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Factory Factory posted:Plus NAND doesn't get slower as its write cycles get used up. It just stops working. It does get slower for certain workloads. An SSD can tolerate spikes of high throughput for a period of time before it has to throttle incoming operations. The amount of time it can do so depends on how many writable blocks it has. Each bad block reduces this number.
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flyboi posted:Granted, when they fail, it is catastrophic because they just quit working flat out but every positive has a negative but I don't think a consumer will really "wear out" their ssd unless they use their computer for 10 years or went cheap. Yeah and most consumer electronics only has 3-5 year life before the next upgrade/replacement.
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Binary Badger posted:Either it's because of the NTFS formatting (You might be using some slow NTFS driver like Apple's) or your firewire cables might be crappy. Firewire controllers can negotiate the speed down to 100/200/400 Mbps if they think your cables are crap. I'll try another set of cables and format the drive fat32 when I'm done with the current files on it. Strangely enough I was only getting 40MB/s transferring from internal drives in the G4. Both drives are WD/500GB/7200/16mb formatted HFS+ on different ATA channels. AFAIK, the ATA channels in the G4 MDD are ATA-100.
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flyboi posted:I work in IT and we have clients who have used SSD on database servers since they came out and so far none have failed. These get far more stress than a consumer could ever put on their own hard drive and have been in use for ~5 years in some case. I've already had to replace three first generation SSD's on original MacBook Air models in the past few months, so they were just about 5 years out. One of them I was able to bring back using diglloyd's DiskTester, but the drive (a PATA Samsung) wound up failing totally a month later. The replacement drives came from a company called RunCore and were bought by the users because Apple's replacement SSD drives for these first models were ridiculously overpriced.
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Are the fans in MBA usually dead silent? I wanted to see how loud this thing got so I fully loaded it to the point at 50% battery there was a projected 30 minutes remaining and I still could not hear the fan... Compared to my 2011 MBP which sounds like a jet engine taking off or my old X200 that sounded like a never ending fart this is kind of impressive. I'm wondering how much that has to do with the fan redesign and how much of it is just the MBA is that quiet. I did put the exhaust port up to my ear and it was making noise so it's definitely not broke.
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A little from column A, a little from column B. My 2011 MBA is already much quieter than my earlier MBPs/MBs, and I'm sure the fan design in the 2012 makes it even quieter. The Air only has 1 fan to begin with.
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flyboi posted:Are the fans in MBA usually dead silent? I wanted to see how loud this thing got so I fully loaded it to the point at 50% battery there was a projected 30 minutes remaining and I still could not hear the fan... Compared to my 2011 MBP which sounds like a jet engine taking off or my old X200 that sounded like a never ending fart this is kind of impressive. Try playing a bunch of flash videos
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Mu Zeta posted:Try playing a bunch of flash videos I was reindexing my email and moving it from outlook to osx mail, synchronizing files, doing a speed test with the gigabit ethernet adapter (protip: the pile of gently caress runs off the CPU and will tax the hell out of it at ~600Mbit) and playing 4 youtubes. It was pretty much crying for me to stop.
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Digital Jesus posted:Okay I got my MBPR refund. I'm buying a 13" MBA. Is it worth upgrading from the 1.8GHz i5 to the 2.0GHz i7? I asked this a couple of days ago and got some good replies here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3426201&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=183#post404744386 FWIW I'm doing it.
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Mu Zeta posted:Try playing a bunch of flash videos Play one Flash video
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The 2012 appears to be a bigger jump than just the CPU upgrade would lead you to believe: Much faster graphics (due to the HD4000) and it also looks like the SSD got a big boost, like the MBPR SSD. The Ivy Bridge i5 is about even with the Sandy Bridge i7:  Worth upgrading from a 2011 Air? Probably not, unless you need the 8GB. But if you've got a 2010 Air, your mind will probably be blown when you fire up a 2012.
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I'm going from a 4 year old MBP so I'm hoping to have my mind blown tbh.
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Thanks for that chart. Very interesting! My problem now is that I realised the only difference between the bottom and top MBA13s is hard drive capacity. I don't need a hell of a lot of internal space so the cheaper model with 128GB is probably fine, so if I want to upgrade the CPU suddenly I'm looking at $465 difference (granted that also gets me double HDD). Argh, decisions!
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