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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:I've heard this lately. What exactly do you mean by better? I tried watching TNA around Jan or Feb, and was confused by various convoluted storylines. I finally turned it off after seeing Sting repeatedly falling down while walking down the aisle (I found out later it was his Joker gimmick). You are in luck there is an ippv this week and there is a 15% chance that you will be able to see it!! The 15% might be a bit high
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:I've heard this lately. What exactly do you mean by better? I tried watching TNA around Jan or Feb, and was confused by various convoluted storylines. I finally turned it off after seeing Sting repeatedly falling down while walking down the aisle (I found out later it was his Joker gimmick). They mean it's improved like, within the last two months. I do find some of the comments to be exaggerated though. It's not miles better than WWE, it just actually makes some sense now. It still needs a lot of work, but it's watchable now and it certainly wasn't even just a few months ago. I'd say give it a shot because they seem to actually be trying now. It's also live for the summer, and that helps quite a bit too.
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bobkatt013 posted:So was HBK but hwo can you forget this Man, how can you forget the Macho Man's finest moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7E57M17Ps8
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Sorry, Savage's finest moment involves Stephanie McMahon.
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Jun 20, 2012 13:40
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Really? There are still dum-dums who believe that?
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Jun 20, 2012 18:58
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So what happened with Macho Man and Vince? Yes, I've heard the Stephanie rumor, but with El Gallinero Gros snapping like that, I'm assuming it's been debunked?
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:So what happened with Macho Man and Vince? Yes, I've heard the Stephanie rumor, but with El Gallinero Gros snapping like that, I'm assuming it's been debunked? Timeline just doesn't make sense. ~~~No one truly knows~~~
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:So what happened with Macho Man and Vince? Yes, I've heard the Stephanie rumor, but with El Gallinero Gros snapping like that, I'm assuming it's been debunked? Only Vince and Macho Man know.
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Jun 20, 2012 19:58
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Not only does the timeline not match up, do you think Vince McMahon, the most vindictive man in wrestling history, the Prime Minister of the Insolvent Republic of Vindictivstan, would do a 3 1/2 minute tribute to a guy who raped his daughter after he died? No. He also probably wouldn't write a tribute to him in I wanna say Time Magazine, or say goodbye upon Randy's departure of the company (to Vince's hated competitor, I might add)in a classy manner on TV. There's also the legal aspect of it (why wouldn't Vince have him arrested or at the very least, investigated?), and I'm pretty sure Randy would have been blackballed altogether once the story got out. Granted, there are lots of sleazy assholes in the business, but this is one of the sleaziest things I can think of to do to another human being outside of killing them. And it's purported to have been done to the daughter of the most powerful man in the business? The gently caress outta here.
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Jun 20, 2012 20:39
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iiiii dunno, I still think he did it. All the pieces fit.
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Whatever blowup between Vince and Savage happened between about 1998 and 2001, IIRC. That doesn't mean that the incident that caused the blowup happened then. Something very serious and personal did happen, because Vince will do business with anyone that will make him a buck, even people that hosed him over, and Savage wasn't even a consideration. Whether that was something with Stephanie or something entirely different, well, we'll probably find out eventually, I guess.
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Jun 20, 2012 20:59
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If the Macho and Stephanie rumor was true, I find it difficult to believe they'd let their #2 face do his elbow drop in an obvious tribute.
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Thauros posted:If the Macho and Stephanie rumor was true, I find it difficult to believe they'd let their #2 face do his elbow drop in an obvious tribute. On the other hand, Punk has a lot of latitude and the announcers never acknowledge that it's a Savage tribute, to the point of ignoring loud chants for Savage the first few times he did it.
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jeffersonlives posted:On the other hand, Punk has a lot of latitude and the announcers never acknowledge that it's a Savage tribute, to the point of ignoring loud chants for Savage the first few times he did it. That's a good point, but it still seems to me like Punk's elbow would go over as well as a throat slash followed by a diving headbutt if he had sex with a fourteen year old Stephanie. Also, didn't Vince write a rather nice tribute to him in Time magazine? I could see Vince perhaps feeling obligated to have a short on air tribute given the circumstances, but why write a article on him if he truly hated him on a personal level?
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Thauros posted:That's a good point, but it still seems to me like Punk's elbow would go over as well as a throat slash followed by a diving headbutt if he had sex with a fourteen year old Stephanie. When would Vince McMahon ever turn down a chance to have his name in a national publication?
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Maybe it's one of those things where, if you take the first letter from each sentence, it spells out SAVAGE hosed MY DAUGHTER AND I WILL HATE HIM FOREVER, ROT IN HELL. Or something like that.
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jeffersonlives posted:Whatever blowup between Vince and Savage happened between about 1998 and 2001, IIRC. That doesn't mean that the incident that caused the blowup happened then.
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Thauros posted:That's a good point, but it still seems to me like Punk's elbow would go over as well as a throat slash followed by a diving headbutt if he had sex with a fourteen year old Stephanie. On the other hand, the crossface and diving headbutt have both reappeared, which honestly I never thought I'd see again in a WWE ring after the Benoit tragedy.
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LividLiquid posted:Let's break this down. Vince McMahon is absolutely motivated by his broken childhood. It informs nearly every decision he makes. Savage and Elizabeth split again in 1998, I believe. McMahon had an abusive step-father who hit his mother whom he's confessed to wishing he'd murdered. Savage is long-rumored to have been abusive to Liz. Isn't it far more likely that McMahon had no interest in further lining the pockets of somebody who now reminded him of his step-father than there being some well-kept secret that Savage raped his daughter? Savage and Elizabeth split in 1992 and never reconciled personally, although they did wrestling angles together through about 2000.
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jeffersonlives posted:Savage and Elizabeth split in 1992 and never reconciled personally, although they did wrestling angles together through about 2000.
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LividLiquid posted:Let's break this down. Vince McMahon is absolutely motivated by his broken childhood. It informs nearly every decision he makes. Savage and Elizabeth split again in 1998, I believe. McMahon had an abusive step-father who hit his mother whom he's confessed to wishing he'd murdered. Savage is long-rumored to have been abusive to Liz. Isn't it far more likely that McMahon had no interest in further lining the pockets of somebody who now reminded him of his step-father than there being some well-kept secret that Savage raped his daughter? Yet his biggest star at the time was abusive towards his wife and Vince made a shitload of money off him before and after he got arrested.
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This is why I love the Vince/Savage mystery, there are so many possible explanations but also so many ways to shoot each of them down.
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triplexpac posted:This is why I love the Vince/Savage mystery, there are so many possible explanations but also so many ways to shoot each of them down. If it is anything it was a buisness deal gone bad.
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bobkatt013 posted:If it is anything it was a buisness deal gone bad. That almost seems like the least likely situation though, because Vince has shown that he'll forgive pretty much anyone when it comes down to business. Unless, maybe the WBF and XFL were both Savage's pet projects?
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jeffersonlives posted:On the other hand, the crossface and diving headbutt have both reappeared, which honestly I never thought I'd see again in a WWE ring after the Benoit tragedy. I always thought those moves would return with some guys, but never one dude's moveset. I guess the mentality there is just to re-establish the moves/combo as someone else's signature, not Benoit's.
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triplexpac posted:That almost seems like the least likely situation though, because Vince has shown that he'll forgive pretty much anyone when it comes down to business. Who has hurt him in the pocket that he has forgiven? He has forgiven almost everybody for any other types of gently caress up so buisness seems the most likely.
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bobkatt013 posted:Who has hurt him in the pocket that he has forgiven? He has forgiven almost everybody for any other types of gently caress up so buisness seems the most likely. Brock Lesnar and Jesse Ventura are both guys that have sued Vince and won, and he's brought them back. Edit: And there's Eric Bischoff who tried to put him out of business.
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bobkatt013 posted:Who has hurt him in the pocket that he has forgiven? He has forgiven almost everybody for any other types of gently caress up so buisness seems the most likely. 
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Jun 20, 2012 21:57
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drat you beat me to it
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Grant DaNasty posted:Brock Lesnar and Jesse Ventura are both guys that have sued Vince and won, and he's brought them back. He could see a lot of cash when it came to Eric since he was the one to put him out of business, and Ventura and Brock came back due to their mainstream appeal. Then with Linda he was trying to get a senate seat Then again it could be something as simple as Randy saying that he would not return unless Vince hired his entire family. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jun 20, 2012 |
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Ultimate Warrior tried to hold Vince up for money and was fired, got brought back, then got fired again over drugs and money, then got brought back again, then got fired again for no showing over money, and they've been intermittently trying to bring him back ever since. The only known guy of note Vince has actively refused to do business with other than Savage is Jeff Jarrett, and there was no money in Jeff Jarrett.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:...would do a 3 1/2 minute tribute to a guy who raped his daughter after he died?
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triplexpac posted:That almost seems like the least likely situation though, because Vince has shown that he'll forgive pretty much anyone when it comes down to business. I posted this theory before but try to think of it this way. Vince give (who he considers) his good friend a cushiony color commentator gig with the idea that it's a job for life ala Gorilla Monsoon. And how does Randy repay him for that kindness? BY SPITTING HIS GODDAMN FACE AND GOING OVER TO THE COMPETITION! Vince forgives others but only when they fall completely on their face and come back to him on their hands and knees. Randy Savage never had that moment due to saving his money and realizing that enough was enough (I remember reading that he quit his TNA gig out of nowhere because he dreaded going out in front of the crowd when he knew he wasn't giving them his best) So, it's probably more of a respect thing than a money or business issue.
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Sporadic posted:I posted this theory before but try to think of it this way. Vince give (who he considers) his good friend a cushiony color commentator gig with the idea that it's a job for life ala Gorilla Monsoon. And how does Randy repay him for that kindness? BY SPITTING HIS GODDAMN FACE AND GOING OVER TO THE COMPETITION! Vince was trying to hire him in 98 when he was on top in WCW so yeah, it's not that.
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MassRayPer posted:Vince was trying to hire him in 98 when he was on top in WCW so yeah, it's not that. I never heard that one before. Do you think that could have been because of the Monday Night Wars? 1998 was when the WWF was still behind, wasn't it?
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Sporadic posted:I never heard that one before. Do you think that could have been because of the Monday Night Wars? 1998 was when the WWF was still behind, wasn't it? spring of 1998 was when WWF started to gain a steady lead over Nitro in the ratings.
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Maybe it's too much of a romantic comedy plot, but it seemed to me like two proud and business-savvy (as much as it gets in pro wrestling) people that never got over waiting for the other one to call first.
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If Randy Savage had raped Stephanie then Vince McMahon would have had him murdered.
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Jerusalem posted:If Randy Savage had raped Stephanie then Vince McMahon would have had him murdered. Well one of these men is alive and the other is not. 
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Jerusalem posted:If Randy Savage had raped Stephanie then Vince McMahon would have had him murdered.
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