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ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

I see that there. posted:

Age of Mythology?

I would pay significant amounts of money for a game that is basically dominions 3 with a modern UI and engine.

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Asehujiko
Apr 6, 2011

I see that there. posted:

Age of Mythology?
I'd buy the highest available kickstarter pledge I could afford at the moment it goes live if they announced Age of Mythology: Total War.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Grand Fromage posted:

Well, if you believe Virgil he might be right. :v:
I rather like the original story of Romulus and Remus


I see that there. posted:

Age of Mythology?
That is my favorite RTS, I actually like it more than AOEII. Sigh Ensemble Studios I miss you. I miss watching Ajax use his special attack on enemies and that awesome story.
I too would love a Trojan War Expansion or hell I want a Julius Caesar expansion.

I see that there.
Aug 6, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post

achillesforever6 posted:

I rather like the original story of Romulus and Remus

The accepted historical one that goes today or one of the seven or so "main" ones that the Romans themselves used at various points.

You want one where their dad was a super-raping Hercules and some dude named Celer kills Remus and then Romulus flips him off and calls the city Rome anyway? We can make this happen. Also when Romulus is defeated in battle he doesn't retreat or die, he just says a few dickish things and disappears in a cloud of smoke and/or jetpacks into space.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

I see that there. posted:

The accepted historical one that goes today or one of the seven or so "main" ones that the Romans themselves used at various points.

You want one where their dad was a super-raping Hercules and some dude named Celer kills Remus and then Romulus flips him off and calls the city Rome anyway? We can make this happen. Also when Romulus is defeated in battle he doesn't retreat or die, he just says a few dickish things and disappears in a cloud of smoke and/or jetpacks into space.
Wasn't the hero Diomedes also involved with the founding of Rome?

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
How can I set the camera controls to best mimic those in Shogun 2?

Imapanda
Sep 12, 2008

Majoris Felidae Peditum

Pope Mobile posted:

How can I set the camera controls to best mimic those in Shogun 2?

Can you state which game?

Every Total War game before Empire has funky controls that are impossible to mimic the newer games.

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
Stupid me: Rome.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.
Speaking of Rome/Rome 2:

Is the time period supposed to cover the same era? As in Republican Rome up to about 14 AD (IIRC vanilla RTW stopped around there) with Marian Reforms and stuff?

Haven't played much of Shogun 2 but I'm hoping Rome 2 has more of the dynasty dynamics like you find in EU Rome and CK1/2, especially after Marian Reforms where you basically have to fund your own armies or they might turn on you. I hadn't played much of EU:Rome, but from glancing the manual there were things like armies being loyal to their commanders and possibly rebelling against you (I think that was in the BI xpack too). Are we still going to play a patrician family in Rome 2?

Also, what I miss most moving out of the RTW/M2TW engine to the Empire one is being able to alt+right click move units. They would keep their facing and everything without them turning to face another direction because I didn't click perfectly in front of them. It was awesome in the times where I could rush a group of infantry in front of something weaker to absorb a cavalry charge on an exposed archer group or something similar.

Nimmy
Feb 20, 2011

Soon young Melvin.
Your time will come.
It sounded like they want to do all of Roman history, at least until the sack of Rome. No point in leaving out Huns and Vandals just for an expansion pack when it would make the original game much more interesting; they could trigger kind of like the Mongols in ME2:TW. Or if the campaign map stretches as far as, say Mongolia, there could at least be random events when a great warlord unites a large horde and where they go from there (China, Persia, Europe) is anyone's guess.

Sober posted:

Also, what I miss most moving out of the RTW/M2TW engine to the Empire one is being able to alt+right click move units. They would keep their facing and everything without them turning to face another direction because I didn't click perfectly in front of them. It was awesome in the times where I could rush a group of infantry in front of something weaker to absorb a cavalry charge on an exposed archer group or something similar.

This exists? I have current RTW and M2TW saves. Good tip!

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Nimmy posted:

It sounded like they want to do all of Roman history, at least until the sack of Rome. No point in leaving out Huns and Vandals just for an expansion pack when it would make the original game much more interesting; they could trigger kind of like the Mongols in ME2:TW. Or if the campaign map stretches as far as, say Mongolia, there could at least be random events when a great warlord unites a large horde and where they go from there (China, Persia, Europe) is anyone's guess.



Yeah, in the RPS interview the guy mentioned invading Carthage as being analagous to a boss fight, it would make sense as a progression mechanic that once the Empire gets big enough it triggers large-scale horde invasions.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Nimmy posted:

It sounded like they want to do all of Roman history, at least until the sack of Rome. No point in leaving out Huns and Vandals just for an expansion pack when it would make the original game much more interesting; they could trigger kind of like the Mongols in ME2:TW. Or if the campaign map stretches as far as, say Mongolia, there could at least be random events when a great warlord unites a large horde and where they go from there (China, Persia, Europe) is anyone's guess.


This exists? I have current RTW and M2TW saves. Good tip!

:stare: You realize the time it took to go from Carthage to the Huns right? Most R:TW campaigns ended by 50B.C., that would never work like M:TW.


But by now they've learned how smart it is to make multiple scenarios. If they do it right they'll get so much money from me.

Shorter Than Some
May 6, 2009

Sober posted:


Also, what I miss most moving out of the RTW/M2TW engine to the Empire one is being able to alt+right click move units. They would keep their facing and everything without them turning to face another direction because I didn't click perfectly in front of them. It was awesome in the times where I could rush a group of infantry in front of something weaker to absorb a cavalry charge on an exposed archer group or something similar.

This reminds me of a feature I've been wishing for since the original shogun, a toggle (which should be on my default) to keep line depth constant when dragging out battle lines, regardless of unit size. It's so annoying when different unit sizes screw up my pretty battle lines.

Nimmy
Feb 20, 2011

Soon young Melvin.
Your time will come.

Mans posted:

:stare: You realize the time it took to go from Carthage to the Huns right? Most R:TW campaigns ended by 50B.C., that would never work like M:TW.


But by now they've learned how smart it is to make multiple scenarios. If they do it right they'll get so much money from me.

The Pax Romana is a problem, but you could skip it and trigger hordes when the empire got big enough as the post above yours says. The dates don't have to be historically accurate; just try to have it transition roughly around year 0, and if they player takes longer than that to conquer most of the known world, so much the better.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Shorter Than Some posted:

This reminds me of a feature I've been wishing for since the original shogun, a toggle (which should be on my default) to keep line depth constant when dragging out battle lines, regardless of unit size. It's so annoying when different unit sizes screw up my pretty battle lines.

I want to know what the hell happened to using ALT + Right Click to order a ranged unit into melee. This whole "toggle melee mode on/off" thing they've done since Empire loving blows.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Mans posted:

:stare: You realize the time it took to go from Carthage to the Huns right? Most R:TW campaigns ended by 50B.C., that would never work like M:TW.


But by now they've learned how smart it is to make multiple scenarios. If they do it right they'll get so much money from me.
SEGA and CA could make so much money if they just split the Roman eras and made them DLC campaigns. I would not loving complain at all because it would just seem like too much to do all at once.

Honestly I cannot even comprehend how you can transition from volunteer legionaries to Marian reform composition (i.e. a professional standing army) and then make it more nuanced from that (where they basically become mercs for hire) with things like generals being more ambitious and gently caress all about the state. I didn't really like that there was no way to transition any old H/P/T troops in RTW to regular legionaries after the reforms. I didn't really touch BI too much but if they could somehow get those mechanics (night battles, loyalty and generals rebelling, etc.) into the base campaign that'd be interesting.

Although I guess they have to take some historical liberties because I doubt it'd be exciting if you had to wait for your dude/family members to become consul to lead an army for a little while before Marian reforms kick in and you basically start funding your own armies for personal political gains (which is the fun part).

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp
God I wish I could get excited about Rome: Total War 2 (I refuse to accept the new name:p), but I just can't help but feel that since the original Rome:TW, the series has lost it's way.
I was a huge fan of the original Shogun and Medieval games, which played well straight out of the box, but for me Rome was a piece of crap out of the box and required the Rome: Total Realism mod to make worthwhile playing.
Medieval 2 was ok...The rest up until now have been rather meh.

There seems to have been a huge change to the combat between Medieval and Rome, which just never seemed to click with me. I also hate the new (ok not so new now) campaign maps, much preferring the older map which left you with more time for battles than micromanaging troops.

But hey, I ramble...

Vivick
Feb 24, 2007

Would you guys recommend getting Rise of the Samurai? I thought about buying it since its fairly cheap and I enjoyed vanilla Shogun 2, but from the Steam description I'm not sure if it changes the gamplay enough to warrant the purchase.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?

Jut posted:

There seems to have been a huge change to the combat between Medieval and Rome, which just never seemed to click with me. I also hate the new (ok not so new now) campaign maps, much preferring the older map which left you with more time for battles than micromanaging troops.

Try going back to Rome now after playing anything from Empire or later, Rome is almost unplayable with how clunky and awkward things are. All total war games are pretty flawed but I can't say they're any worse than they used to be.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

Vivick posted:

Would you guys recommend getting Rise of the Samurai? I thought about buying it since its fairly cheap and I enjoyed vanilla Shogun 2, but from the Steam description I'm not sure if it changes the gamplay enough to warrant the purchase.

Rise of the Samurai is a pretty nice DLC expansion that changes things up a little but it's still very much in the vein of the vanilla Shogun 2 campaign even though the agents are a bit different and tactics have changed slightly and there are different buildings, units, and tech trees. Fall of the Samurai is a much bigger change and has a lot more new stuff in it to boot.

Vivick
Feb 24, 2007

John Charity Spring posted:

Rise of the Samurai is a pretty nice DLC expansion that changes things up a little but it's still very much in the vein of the vanilla Shogun 2 campaign even though the agents are a bit different and tactics have changed slightly and there are different buildings, units, and tech trees. Fall of the Samurai is a much bigger change and has a lot more new stuff in it to boot.

Ok, thanks! I think I'll get it then, I played FotS for a while now and would like to play a traditional Campaign again now, so it sounds like RotS should be right up my alley.

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

Vivick posted:

Would you guys recommend getting Rise of the Samurai? I thought about buying it since its fairly cheap and I enjoyed vanilla Shogun 2, but from the Steam description I'm not sure if it changes the gamplay enough to warrant the purchase.

It's kind of a different experience. You have a much smaller selection of worthwhile units. Foot Samurai are the best archers and swordsmen in the game and will kill everything that isn't Samurai that you point them towards, but they have low unit numbers and high upkeep. Retainers are pretty good against other retainers and will slaughter levy troops but get slaughtered by Samurai fast. Levy troops die in the hundreds but they are cheap and easily replaced.

Actually the worst part of RotS is the naval battles. They absolutely blow. It's the worst parts of Vanilla's naval battles without any cannon ships ever being available and the clunky boarding action mixed with no ramming means you just park your poo poo next to one another and hope your fire arrow action becomes available before the CPU's does.

Laterbase
May 18, 2011
Do you think there will be a lot of unit variety in Rome 2? I was just thinking because the melee animations are a lot more complex now and you'd have to make animations for every unit type to fight every other unit type.

In Rome 1 the animations were so simple I think they used more or less the same ones over and over and it wasn't too bad. But watching swordmen/axemen/and spearmen all poking at each other in the same way would be quite jarring.

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




When was the last time they had real unit variety? I'm guessing it was Medieval 2, it's really been awhile since they've gone that route and I can't really see how they could avoid having a large variety of units in Rome 2.

Nimmy
Feb 20, 2011

Soon young Melvin.
Your time will come.

NoneSuch posted:

When was the last time they had real unit variety? I'm guessing it was Medieval 2, it's really been awhile since they've gone that route and I can't really see how they could avoid having a large variety of units in Rome 2.

At the very least they have to have Roman, Greek, European Barbarian, and Steppe Barbarian.

Shorter Than Some
May 6, 2009

Nimmy posted:

At the very least they have to have Roman, Greek, European Barbarian, and Steppe Barbarian.

Controversial as it is, new kingdom Egyptions are in as well.

Space Pussy
Feb 19, 2011

NoneSuch posted:

When was the last time they had real unit variety? I'm guessing it was Medieval 2, it's really been awhile since they've gone that route and I can't really see how they could avoid having a large variety of units in Rome 2.

Notice the war dog at 1:48 :(

Looking forward to a EBIII beta release in 2021.

MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009

:woop:

Nothing like making an army of nothing but wardogs and sending them around eating their way through bandits and rebels.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Shorter Than Some posted:

Controversial as it is, new kingdom Egyptions are in as well.

Don't forget the Phoenician peoples of Carthage!

We'll have pirates and no doubt a rebel rabble version of each faction too. And fingers crossed, Mercenaries.

publord
Jun 11, 2012

Shorter Than Some posted:

Controversial as it is, new kingdom Egyptions are in as well.

Urgh. There's tons of variety out there. Sure the Ptolemaics had the same Macedonian model but they used a lot of mercenaries since they had manpower problems.

I'd even be happy with something semi-accurate as long as we don't get the headdresses and chariots again

Sole Survivor
Aug 21, 2009

Shorter Than Some posted:

Controversial as it is, new kingdom Egyptions are in as well.

Is there any proof of this?

Nimmy
Feb 20, 2011

Soon young Melvin.
Your time will come.
I'm playing Medieval 2 and think I'm going to end up winning the game fighting entirely defensive wars. Started as Russia and took all the Steppe to the south and east. Then Poland were dicks and declared war, so I took half of their empire. Then Hungary declared war and I destroyed them entirely. Next, Venice decided my 15 territory empire was a good idea to attack. This was 1 turn after the Mongols arrived (thankfully in Turkish territory), so the armies I was amassing in the east had to come west, but eventually I destroyed their faction as well. Now I'm as far west as Germany and Venice and expect an HRE or Milanese attack any moment. The Byzantines are also sniffing around Bucharest. I just wanted to expand and consolidate to fight the Mongols, but I'm going to end up in France. Fighting in the woods has already been a real hassle for my mostly horse archer army.

Shorter Than Some
May 6, 2009

Sole Survivor posted:

Is there any proof of this?

Yes, it was in one of the recent interviews though I forget which.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

I'm playing Medieval 2 and think I'm going to end up winning the game fighting entirely defensive wars.

That tends to happen-the AI is weighted to hate you and attack you regardless of sense.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The funny thing about AI in Med2 is that even attacking Rebel towns lowers your reputation. Taking cities, even if you were attacked, is also a reputation killer.

It's pretty much impossible to play Med2 unmoded with allies. Try Stainless Steel, the game is much better there.

Shorter Than Some posted:

Yes, it was in one of the recent interviews though I forget which.
:frogout: I don't believe you.

Sole Survivor
Aug 21, 2009

Mans posted:

The funny thing about AI in Med2 is that even attacking Rebel towns lowers your reputation. Taking cities, even if you were attacked, is also a reputation killer.

It's pretty much impossible to play Med2 unmoded with allies. Try Stainless Steel, the game is much better there.

:frogout: I don't believe you.

Yeah, I couldn't find anything, and TWCenter hasn't completely melted down, so there's still hope.

Shorter Than Some
May 6, 2009

Mans posted:

The funny thing about AI in Med2 is that even attacking Rebel towns lowers your reputation. Taking cities, even if you were attacked, is also a reputation killer.

It's pretty much impossible to play Med2 unmoded with allies. Try Stainless Steel, the game is much better there.

:frogout: I don't believe you.
I could have sworn it was but I can't find it now I look. I may be wrong.

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


Even if they don't go balls out on variety the greek, roman, and barbarian based factions pretty much have to play quite differently. And thank god, I know some people liked Shogun and Empires homogeneity but give me variety any day

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Empire would have had variety if they hadn't fecking rushed the thing. The DLC units look pretty boss compared to the :geno: looking line and elite line.

The Ottomans looked the best of course. Playing with them is always a challenge.

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underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
What's wrong with an Egyptian faction? Wasn't Cleopatra married to a Roman or am I just bad at history?

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