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Is there a worse BL author than Goto? I can't think of one.
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Jul 9, 2012 00:27
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Xenomrph posted:He also writes about Eldar a lot No he doesn't. He writes about things with Eldar names. I'm convinced that he has never encountered anything to do with them other than a word document of Eldar wargear & unit names. S.J. posted:Is there a worse BL author than Goto? I can't think of one. Zou. But it's really a toss up between them, if you set aside the alleged plagiarism on Zou's part.
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Jul 9, 2012 00:39
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:No he doesn't. He writes about things with Multilaser names. I'm convinced that he has never encountered anything to do with Multilasers other than a Multilaser document of Eldar Multilasers & Multilaser names. This is a fair point.
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Jul 9, 2012 01:10
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^^You missed a spot.
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Jul 9, 2012 01:37
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I own drat near all BL books I have read even all the awful ones. I like abnett but I could not make it thru eisenhorn,ravanor or guard series.
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Jul 9, 2012 09:25
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Greataval posted:I own drat near all BL books I have read even all the awful ones. I like abnett but I could not make it thru eisenhorn,ravanor or guard series. Which books did you like? 
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Jul 9, 2012 09:44
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ed balls balls man posted:Which books did you like? His titanicus book all his HH books were all pretty good it just feels his books need another hundred pages he rushes his endings. His black templar comics are pretty good.
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Jul 9, 2012 10:01
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Greataval posted:His titanicus book all his HH books were all pretty good it just feels his books need another hundred pages he rushes his endings. His black templar comics are pretty good. Ah yeah, couldn't agree more really with the ending part. I'd love to see him write something with similar lengths to Richard K. Morgan's sci-fi stuff (Altered Carbon, Market Forces, Black Man), so roughly 2.5x the length of a normal BL book. In fact i'd pretty much recommend Altered Carbon to those who liked Eisenhorn/Ravenor.
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Jul 9, 2012 10:18
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I think Abnett's issues with endings aren't because of page constraints, he just has trouble wrapping up loose plot threads organically. Half the time it works anyway, and just makes for a really frenzied and exciting conclusion.
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Jul 9, 2012 19:51
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Yeah it's a huge problem of his. His worst ending ever is Honour Guard, which is literally "thay pressed a button and all Chaos on planet died".
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Jul 9, 2012 19:53
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He was kind of building to that throughout but it could have been better. Honour Guard is probably one of his worst though.
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Jul 9, 2012 20:21
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How's the novel based on the Tau FPS Fire Warrior? The Amazon reviews are pretty evenly divided between "great" and "complete poo poo".
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Jul 10, 2012 02:20
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drkhrs2020 posted:How's the novel based on the Tau FPS Fire Warrior? The Amazon reviews are pretty evenly divided between "great" and "complete poo poo".
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Jul 10, 2012 02:24
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drkhrs2020 posted:Also are there any books that follow someone besides the Imperium or Chaos space marines? The only ones I could find were Eldar ones by CS Goto, but even on Amazon they have lovely reviews. Path of the Warrior was pretty good in my opinion. The CS Goto Eldar books are pretty bad. I am just voicing my opinion here, but The War for Armageddon was a really good book in my opinion. You have Black Templars dropping into the fray that get hosed up by AA and seperated, as well as a Titan Princeps as the main plotlines. The Black Templar side of it focuses on the Emperor's Champion, and a Dreadnaught. I loved every second of it and I wish I could find another copy of it, but it seems to be out of print. Of course, because of this, "Helsreach" is starting to get a little confusing for me. Did they retcon the whole Black Templars drop podding in a bunch of marines as part of a crusade?
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Jul 10, 2012 05:56
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Holy poo poo are they seriously doing COYA 40k books? That is awesome.
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Jul 10, 2012 05:59
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Do you pledge to fear no death or listen to reason. >>Listen to reason You have fallen to chaos and are now a Slaanesh sex slave until they decide your skin would make an awesome team pennant.
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Jul 10, 2012 06:07
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They need to do a Chaos one. "Do you spill Blood for the Blood God? Turn to page 87. Do you take skulls for the skull throne? Turn to page 104."
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Jul 10, 2012 07:05
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You see a helpless civilian. Do you. Purge in the name of the god Emperor Turn to page 15 Blood for the Blood God Turn to page 8 Convince to do Cocaine! Turn to page 6 Cough on Turn to page 7 Enlist in some byzantine scheme with hinges on a butterfly flying slightly slower than normal three sectors off, while still have a plan in play for it flying slightly faster Turn to page 9
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Jul 10, 2012 07:15
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I think Abnett's issues with endings aren't because of page constraints, he just has trouble wrapping up loose plot threads organically. Half the time it works anyway, and just makes for a really frenzied and exciting conclusion. Yea, if you'd give Abnett 2times the pages to work with he'd just end up with a really fleshed out midsection but his endings would probably remain just as short. Just bought [/b]the primarchs[b] and I was wondering what stories are worth reading.
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Jul 10, 2012 11:38
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Mikojan posted:Just bought [/b]the primarchs[b] and I was wondering what stories are worth reading. Basically none of them. Well, The Lion is readable, but some of the others just keep dragging the gently caress on. The first one is definitely terrible, though.
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Jul 10, 2012 11:42
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Cream_Filling posted:Basically none of them. Yeah - I still haven't got through that book. I'm stuck on the Iron Warriors story. I liked the way the Lucius story started out - I thought McNeill did a good job of writing the scene of a debauched king and his court. I could just see something that looked like the palace at Versailles filled with nine-foot tall maniacs in power armor doing crazy things. The Pear of Anguish was completely unnecessary though. Also, I'm going to be selling off my BL books, as I rarely read anything twice. What is the average going rate for gently used BL books in SA Mart?
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Jul 10, 2012 13:45
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Mikojan posted:Just bought the primarchs and I was wondering what stories are worth reading. The Alpha Legion story by Rob Sanders is good, and has the biggest reveal of any of the stories (the Fulgrim "reveal" is really more of a retcon). Rob Sanders is really growing on me, he's not the greatest author in the world but everything he writes is just fun. The other three range from horrid, to just mediocre and boring. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jul 10, 2012 |
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Jul 10, 2012 14:44
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The Alpha Legion story by Rob Sanders is good, and has the biggest reveal of any of the stories (the Fulgrim "reveal" is really more of a retcon). Rob Sanders is really growing on me, he's not the greatest author in the world but everything he writes is just fun. His Inquisitor Czevak novel, Atlas Infernal wasn't terrible, had some nice moments.
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Jul 10, 2012 15:25
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ed balls balls man posted:His Inquisitor Czevak novel, Atlas Infernal wasn't terrible, had some nice moments. I really liked it, as well as Legion of the Damned, which I'm going to throw up on the "good" list. He writes the weird and arcane very well and has some skills that a lot of BL authors lack, like the ability to write dialogue that doesn't give you second-hand embarrassment.
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Jul 10, 2012 15:31
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I'm not sure I trust BL to print a CYOA book, all of the "turn to..." page numbers will be misprinted.
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Jul 10, 2012 16:08
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The Alpha Legion story by Rob Sanders is good, and has the biggest reveal of any of the stories (the Fulgrim "reveal" is really more of a retcon). Rob Sanders is really growing on me, he's not the greatest author in the world but everything he writes is just fun. Can you clarify what the reveal was in the Sander's Alpha Legion story? I read it but totally missed the big reveal at the end. I got that Omegon was just the other Captain the whole time, and that the Primarch's didn't really have much of an idea what was going on but I can't really be sure.
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Jul 10, 2012 17:21
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Can you clarify what the reveal was in the Sander's Alpha Legion story? I read it but totally missed the big reveal at the end. I got that Omegon was just the other Captain the whole time, and that the Primarch's didn't really have much of an idea what was going on but I can't really be sure. That's not the reveal, just a small plot twist. The reveal comes early on, it's that Omegon has betrayed Alpharius and is destroying the installation so that the Emperor will be able to summon the White Scars.
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Jul 10, 2012 18:11
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I did like the lion it kinda cemented the notion that dark angels were a 3rd party during the heresy.
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Jul 10, 2012 19:50
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jadebullet posted:Of course, because of this, "Helsreach" is starting to get a little confusing for me. Did they retcon the whole Black Templars drop podding in a bunch of marines as part of a crusade?
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Jul 10, 2012 19:53
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Arquinsiel posted:Black Templars don't have companies, they have "crusades". Technically they do -- in lieu of the regular squad/company organization, the Black Templars have "fighting companies". A crusade will split into a number of fighting companies (each led by a Castellan) depending on the strategy being employed.
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Jul 10, 2012 20:17
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I've gotten the Hammer and Bolter Collection Volume 1, it's got some pretty decent stories. I particularly like the couple of stories that have the Alpha Legion being huge assholes with plans that are hilariously convoluted and impossible to beat. Just typing that, it's kind of odd that they aren't more aligned with Tzeetch, but I guess I kind of like that. Perhaps they're even waging war on the Imperium as a way to toughen it up, purge the dumb, ensure heightened security, so that the Imperium can eventually beat Chaos.
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Jul 10, 2012 22:52
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The Alpha Legion are basically devotees of that one Chaos God that's like a fifth Chaos God of Chaos working against itself, but they can't straight up call them that or reference that entity because GW doesn't actually own it.
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Jul 10, 2012 23:15
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Arquinsiel posted:Black Templars don't have companies, they have "crusades". Right but in "Helsreach" It give the impression that there are 100 marines from the crusade that are the only ones planetside. Whereas in "The War for Armageddon" One of the Templar Fortress Monastaries gets hit with an ork Rok, ending with only one survivor, barely alive on top of a pile of corpses. (He becomes the Dread.) It then skips ahead to the Templars arriving in orbit above Armageddon, after tracking the orks that smashed their monastary to the planet. At this time, the war has already started, and they enter orbit and start dropping pods. Ork AA fire hits a bunch of them, and they scatter all over the place. I got the impression from that book that the entire Crusade dropped onto Armageddon.
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Jul 11, 2012 00:06
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Ambiguatron posted:The Alpha Legion are basically devotees of that one Chaos God that's like a fifth Chaos God of Chaos working against itself, but they can't straight up call them that or reference that entity because GW doesn't actually own it. Malal. In modern GW publications he's usually referenced by either the black/white colour scheme or changing the word to Malice (Sons of Malal/Sons of Malice). I think he's essentially the embodiment of self-loathing, self-destruction, and rebellion. Not too sure on that though.
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Jul 11, 2012 00:24
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jadebullet posted:Right but in "Helsreach" It give the impression that there are 100 marines from the crusade that are the only ones planetside.
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Jul 11, 2012 00:27
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Arquinsiel posted:It's kind of an beauracratic trick to avoid anyone noticing that they took more than 1000 marines to make the chapter. They don't really have the same standardised organisation that other marines do. And I would like to think they quietly take out anyone who looks over their numbers and go "Hey wait a second here."
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Jul 11, 2012 00:57
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Cooked Auto posted:And I would like to think they quietly take out anyone who looks over their numbers and go "Hey wait a second here." Correct me if I am wrong but the Black Templars are a bit of an inside joke. There are so many of them in the books and what not because they have the easiest color scheme to paint.
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Jul 11, 2012 01:22
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah - I still haven't got through that book. I'm stuck on the Iron Warriors story. I liked the way the Lucius story started out - I thought McNeill did a good job of writing the scene of a debauched king and his court. I could just see something that looked like the palace at Versailles filled with nine-foot tall maniacs in power armor doing crazy things. The Pear of Anguish was completely unnecessary though. That McNeil story pertaining to Lucius got me so mad, either Fulgrim got possessed or he loving didn't MAKE YOUR loving MIND UP (I honestly preferred that he did, no one knew what the gently caress about daemons and chaos around the HH, it isn't too far fetched that a primarch can fall to a eons old daemon slaved to a loving sword is it? especially when you've talked said primarch into killing his own brother?. The Iron hands novella (gently caress that name) I enjoyed Ferrus Manus being told of him coming demise by a farseer and warlock (or another farseer) was pretty cool. I totally didn't get what mechafunkzilla got from the alpha legion story I had no idea from that story that omegon was all for the emperor and alpharious was not, shows what I know. I took it as the alpha legion cleaning house . I recently purchased the new Ciaphas Cain novel and was surprised to find I actually enjoyed if only because the blurb tells you he is fighting an " ancient and implacable foe blah blah.. you've already written this, but was surprised to find out Mitchell wasn't talking 'bout those guys! You were talking about the other guys you've already written about!. It's still in the formulaic version of all Cain books but it's still a good read (You've alluded to Cain's time on a Dark Eldar Reiver ship, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WRITE THE THING.) What did anyone think of Deliverance Lost? jadebullet posted:
Maybe they're referring to two separate instances of wars on armageddon? I haven't read the books you're referring to aside from Helsreach. So maybe that's it? It wouldn't surprise me to find that GW has tripped over their own fluff, and that the BT novels you've read are still canon. rocket_Magnet fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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Jul 11, 2012 01:45
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There have been three Wars for Armageddon.
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Right, that is what I was thinking as well. Hell, the book even features Von Straub being incompetant, which was second war, but I really could have sworn that it took place during the third war. (especially because the Templars weren't at the second war according to the BA codex... unless Ward hosed up again.)
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