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I’ve never been particularly realistic. Like the “say one thing for Logen Ninefingers, say he’s a oval office. Simple as that.”, it’s a great payoff line.
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# ? Jun 22, 2012 11:38 |
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Would it be terrible of me to be introduced to this world by reading "Heroes" first? I got it as a recommendation from GRRM's site, and the premise sounds interesting. Would I miss out on more than just a few inside jokes?
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# ? Jun 29, 2012 03:06 |
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Gimmedaroot posted:Would it be terrible of me to be introduced to this world by reading "Heroes" first? I got it as a recommendation from GRRM's site, and the premise sounds interesting. Would I miss out on more than just a few inside jokes? e. I asked this same question about whether I should read Heroes before BSC and I'm glad I listened and read BSC first. It really adds weight to many of the characters. Basically it's not story or plot you'd be missing, but a lot of character development and that's the strength of his writing.
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# ? Jun 29, 2012 03:12 |
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I would definitely read all the other books first. The First Law trilogy sets up up the larger story of what's going on in the world, as well as introducing important characters and events. And Best Served Cold is important as well, as one of the character story arcs in The Heroes makes numerous references to a particular event from BSC and you're really not going to fully get it without having read that book first. It wouldn't deprive you of following The Heroes necessarily, but you'll have a much greater understanding and appreciation for what's going on if you read all the books in order. All of the books are well worth your time anyway, to be sure.
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# ? Jun 29, 2012 04:43 |
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I realized this while reading last night, but after reading this series twice I can almost not expect characters in other books to come out alright or have a happy ending.
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# ? Jul 2, 2012 14:30 |
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Gimmedaroot posted:Would it be terrible of me to be introduced to this world by reading "Heroes" first? I got it as a recommendation from GRRM's site, and the premise sounds interesting. Would I miss out on more than just a few inside jokes? Read the Heroes first if you want. I am one of those people who think Best Served Cold and the Heroes are really good, but can't easily recommend the original trilogy. You won't miss out on too much other than the background of Shivers, who is a minor character in the trilogy, and if you really like the Heroes you can work backwards. You'll miss some little nudges and nods, but its not integral.
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# ? Jul 2, 2012 17:08 |
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BananaNutkins posted:Read the Heroes first if you want. I am one of those people who think Best Served Cold and the Heroes are really good, but can't easily recommend the original trilogy. You won't miss out on too much other than the background of Shivers, who is a minor character in the trilogy, and if you really like the Heroes you can work backwards. I'd recommend it in order, because I loved the entire series, but only the trilogy really needs to be read in order. And getting to know Shivers first in The Heroes will only make his character arc even more interesting when you read it flashback-style.
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# ? Jul 2, 2012 18:00 |
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Read them in order, you'll be spoiled of the endings of the main characters in the original trilogy if you don't.
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# ? Jul 2, 2012 18:32 |
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Looks like they pushed the US release of the Red Country up to Oct 23rd so it is much closer to the UK release. Here's the blog post: http://www.joeabercrombie.com/2012/06/29/us-release/
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# ? Jul 2, 2012 20:39 |
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Hey, is it just me, or did Abercrombie make a mistake in The Heroes? There are a couple of reference made towards the end when Calder is getting ready to fight Black Dow to Logen fighting and killing Bethod in the circle. However, that's not what happened. Logen actually fought that giant with the magical tattoos. He killed Bethod after winning that fight.
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# ? Jul 3, 2012 15:48 |
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UncleMonkey posted:Hey, is it just me, or did Abercrombie make a mistake in The Heroes? There are a couple of reference made towards the end when Calder is getting ready to fight Black Dow to Logen fighting and killing Bethod in the circle. However, that's not what happened. Logen actually fought that giant with the magical tattoos. He killed Bethod after winning that fight. He tossed his corpse into the circle after smashing his head to pulp , I think that is what Calder was referring too. I don't have the text in front of me though so I might be remembering incorrectly.
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# ? Jul 3, 2012 16:14 |
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Correct me if needed, but Calder wasn't at the duel between Logen and the Feared, so Calder might have been interpreting what happened based on second-hand accounts.
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# ? Jul 7, 2012 06:00 |
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Fenris the Feared was Bethod's champion, representing Bethod in the northern tradition of single combat to resolve leadership disputes. When Logen killed Fenris, he effectively ousted Bethod from power (and also killed him).
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# ? Jul 7, 2012 06:33 |
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Well look what we have here. The nearly-final UK cover for Red Country. Even fuller version here. And the accompanying blog post.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 08:42 |
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Abercrombie's books' covers are cool, but their still pretty cliché and disbelievable - albeit differently than most fantasy with their scantily clad women. Who on earth keeps their knives, daggers and coins scattered on the map like that? And what use is a map so drenched in blood anyway?
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 11:12 |
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Oh my God It's Cosca again.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 13:55 |
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Cosca AND the B9! I wonder how that plays out.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 14:00 |
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Rurik posted:Cosca AND the B9! I wonder how that plays out. With great humour, then much blood.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 14:13 |
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Rurik posted:Cosca AND the B9! I wonder how that plays out. And I love the UK cover.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 14:23 |
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So did I read something wrong or is that cover describing The Bloody Nine as a coward
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 15:23 |
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Clinton1011 posted:So did I read something wrong or is that cover describing The Bloody Nine as a coward He's living under a different name as a cowardly uncle to the novels protagonist was the main gist IIRC.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 15:35 |
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Clinton1011 posted:So did I read something wrong or is that cover describing The Bloody Nine as a coward Of course it won't last, though. You have to be realistic about these things...
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 16:14 |
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Clinton1011 posted:So did I read something wrong or is that cover describing The Bloody Nine as a coward Well that would make sense if hes trying to avoid going berserk on people since he would be avoiding fights and confrontations.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 22:32 |
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^^Yeah, and maybe he's just trying to keep a low profile. People tend to spread stories about cackling unkillable berserkers, if any witnesses survive, and he's got a bunch of enemies. Calling it now, the massacre that cover mentions is all his doing. Cosca and Logen, loving bitches, drinking wine, and loving up bad(der) guys? I can't wait.
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# ? Jul 11, 2012 22:37 |
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I've been hearing a lot of great things about this author/series and so far everything I've seen looks great. I just have one question. Is there a lot of rape in the series? I've heard a lot of people say how it's a better version of GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire and I know the books are infamous about including scenes of that nature. It's one of the reasons I could never get into it. Nothing against rape used in fiction or even occasional references to it in literature(e.g. The Virgin Spring). It's a personal thing as opposed to anything the author writes or anything like that. Red Mundus fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jul 12, 2012 |
# ? Jul 12, 2012 04:48 |
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Red Mundus posted:Nothing against rape No not really I don't remember any rapes at all.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 05:01 |
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Above Our Own posted:
Thanks! Looks like I have a new series to get in to. I assume I should start with the first books and work my way forward? Also, stop cherry picking my quotes! Red Mundus fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 12, 2012 |
# ? Jul 12, 2012 05:04 |
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Above Our Own posted:
There's some implied but I don't remember any "on screen".
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 05:47 |
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Jeffrey posted:There's some implied but I don't remember any "on screen". There's one scene that immediately pops to mind, but it is resolved very quickly and never really touched on again afterwards.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 05:59 |
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Red Mundus posted:Thanks! Looks like I have a new series to get into to. I assume I should start with the first books and work my way forward? Yep, read them all in chronological order.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 06:29 |
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Bussamove posted:There's one scene that immediately pops to mind, but it is resolved very quickly and never really touched on again afterwards. I forgot about that one, not the one I was thinking of. I guess there are two.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 06:49 |
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You know what, I actually read your post and Above Our Own's quote in it the way that I understood that Above Our Own says in the quote that he doesn't enjoy rape in fiction. So he'd be saying that it's good if there's no rape and you're disapproving of it. I've been exposed the the GRRM Bad Thread for way too long.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 08:22 |
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Yeah I guess it might be alluded to that some characters had been abused in the past or something, but IIRC there's no rape descriptions in the text or anything like that. If there were they weren't very memorable rapes. And you should read them in order if you've got the time, it will enhance your appreciation of the character arcs and world development.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 08:40 |
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Above Our Own posted:Yeah I guess it might be alluded to that some characters had been abused in the past or something, but IIRC there's no rape descriptions in the text or anything like that. If there were they weren't very memorable rapes. Reading them in order is definitely the way to go. You miss out on far too many nuances and subtle hints otherwise.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 13:28 |
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I really don't understand people who ask if they should read things in order. Yes, presumably a series builds on to the previous novel in terms of history, characters, motivations and so on.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 16:26 |
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Red Mundus posted:I've been hearing a lot of great things about this author/series and so far everything I've seen looks great. The two are nothing alike in tone or structure, save that they are in the same genre and have occasional descriptions of the old ultra violence. Abercrombie's work is more comic-booky. There is rape in Abercrombie's books The melty-faced blacksmith's daughter, gets raped or nearly does, doesn't she? And what happens to Terez is arguably worse than your run of the mill back alley rape
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 18:49 |
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BananaNutkins posted:The two are nothing alike in tone or structure, save that they are in the same genre and have occasional descriptions of the old ultra violence. Abercrombie's work is more comic-booky. There is rape in Abercrombie's books The melty-faced blacksmith's daughter, gets raped or nearly does, doesn't she? And what happens to Terez is arguably worse than your run of the mill back alley rape And yeah, poor Terez. I felt so awful for her.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 19:03 |
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To be fair there are like three characters who you DON'T feel awful for by the end of the books.
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 19:12 |
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UncleMonkey posted:She almost does. But West shows up in time to stop it and throws Ladisla off of a cliff in one of my all time favorite moments in all of the books so far. It's how he earns his name.. Wasn't that actually in the fight immediately beforehand, when he bites someone's nose off?
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 19:20 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 07:58 |
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Hemp Knight posted:Wasn't that actually in the fight immediately beforehand, when he bites someone's nose off?
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# ? Jul 12, 2012 19:21 |