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I think Cain should get more points in accessibility, being a important "life in the Imperium" dealie.
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Does Shira Calpurnia get faster or more detective-y? I like the premise (and the beginning of the second book about a rogue trader) but the first book dragged on a lot with its religious wankery bullshit. Also the "plot twist" at the end was telegraphed so hard that I rolled my eyes after reading the scooby doo style reveal thing.
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Jul 11, 2012 02:58
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TheStampede posted:There have been three Wars for Armageddon.
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Jul 11, 2012 03:07
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Arquinsiel posted:Two of them at the same time because Luckily, GW has designed it so that continuity being an absolute shambles is completely in line with the fluff.
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Jul 11, 2012 03:39
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Baron Porkface posted:I think Cain should get more points in accessibility, being a important "life in the Imperium" dealie. These are also some of the only books that provide insight into the day to day workings of the Empire. Most Imperial Guard books really focus on the guard, not so much on civilian life. Obviously the Cain books do the same, but he tends to have much more interaction with regular citizens of the Imperium than most BL protagonists.
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Cream_Filling posted:Luckily, GW has designed it so that continuity being an absolute shambles is completely in line with the fluff. 
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Therion posted:Does Shira Calpurnia get faster or more detective-y? I like the premise (and the beginning of the second book about a rogue trader) but the first book dragged on a lot with its religious wankery bullshit. Also the "plot twist" at the end was telegraphed so hard that I rolled my eyes after reading the scooby doo style reveal thing. The Rogue trader story was probably the least interesting book out of the three for me. I really enjoyed the third book since the author obviously got better with experience, and it has an actual murder mystery as well as showing you the inner working of the Adeptus Astropathica which was something really new. I would tell you to skip the second book, but one of the main plot elements of the third book is a direct consequence of the second book's ending. Let me know if you want me to just spoil that for you so you can move on to the third book and skip the second.
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Nah I've already started on it so I will find out for myself. Still can't get over how stupid the motivation of the first book's antagonist was, even for someone living in the the 40k universe. I want heightened security for the religious event I conduct, so I'm going to assassinate a police oficer instead of, you know, asking the Arbites or Sororitas for more protection. This makes sense because GRIMDARK FUTURE Cat Planet fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jul 11, 2012 |
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Jul 11, 2012 06:27
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rocket_Magnet posted:I totally didn't get what mechafunkzilla got from the alpha legion story Same, will need to re-read
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I kinda like the first Shira Calpurnia book despite that slight issue. But then I've not totally stalled out on reading the second one because it does drag on way too much with multiple Rogue Trader characters that I have a hard time caring about when all I want is 40k cop stories.Evil_Urna posted:Correct me if I am wrong but the Black Templars are a bit of an inside joke. There are so many of them in the books and what not because they have the easiest color scheme to paint. I'd have to say that goes for Blood Angels and Ultramarines as well considering they are all pretty much two colour schemes.
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Baron Porkface posted:I think Cain should get more points in accessibility, being a important "life in the Imperium" dealie. It's not that the books would be inscrutable to a newcomer, it's more that a lot of the humor that comes from the tonal shift would be lost on someone who didn't have any preconceptions of 40k.
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His jokes about the Sisters of Battle in Duty Calls would be lost on people if they haven't read some sort of fluff (or played them DoW:Soulstorm) related to them. I laughed my rear end off throughout that book  .
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Cooked Auto posted:I'd have to say that goes for Blood Angels and Ultramarines as well considering they are all pretty much two colour schemes.
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Arquinsiel posted:It always annoys me that GW decided that blood angels are just plain red now. The colour scheme shift from 2nd to 3rd ed left all the locals very confused at my army. You're talking the red with black trim and joints? Yeah, I think they did that because their reds were so lovely at the time that if you accidentally hit the red armor with your black brush, you basically had to shoot yourself in the face. The probably more accurate answer is that it was easier for kids to spray their Marines red and get in the game and buy more stuff. When I repaint mine, I'll likely still do the black joints - or maybe a couple of black washes. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jul 12, 2012 |
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Fun fact: the paints they had at the time were made by Coat D'armes. This was done by drybrushing bleached bone over black and then drybrushing THAT with red. Ever since they switched to the shorter pots their red has been worthless poo poo, but the old stuff was pure gold. The switch in colour scheme pretty much happened at the exact same time they changed paint suppliers to some polish company and when they ditched the red spray. It was a terrible idea all round. Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jul 12, 2012 |
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Jul 12, 2012 04:08
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I'm selling off a bunch of my BL books in SA Mart if anyone is interested: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3495517
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berzerkmonkey posted:I'm selling off a bunch of my BL books in SA Mart if anyone is interested: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3495517 How are the Necromunda books? I've read Survival of the Fittest and liked that one, how are the rest in comparison?
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Mr.48 posted:How are the Necromunda books? I've read Survival of the Fittest and liked that one, how are the rest in comparison?
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Has anyone read Kraken? The concept of a Space Wolf hunting sea monsters on a water planet is rad as gently caress to me, does it do the idea justice?
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I've started reading Eisenhorn, but I don't really like it so far. Eisenhorn is too full of himself, too "Oooh, I'm an inquisitor, look at me!" That combined with the first-person viewpoint makes it read like a self-insert fanfic type of thing. If that makes sense. Does it get better?
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It starts a bit slow but does get really interesting wih a variety of different scenes and villains. Eisenhorn himself is not all powerful or anything, even though the beginning spends some time introducing the whole inqiusitor thing. Also the other Abnett inquisitor series is Ravenor, which is about a guy in a space wheelchair on life support (whose entire crew apart from him gets laid as he ruminates on the mysteries of the universe in the next room) It's not a sophisticated work of literature but if you dislike protagonists who have their heads up their asses then you should probably avoid 40k fiction It's only downhill from there onwards.
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Try Ian watsons draco I personally like that inquisition series more than Dan abnetts.
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uXs posted:I've started reading Eisenhorn, but I don't really like it so far. Eisenhorn is too full of himself, too "Oooh, I'm an inquisitor, look at me!" That combined with the first-person viewpoint makes it read like a self-insert fanfic type of thing. If that makes sense. Confidence in his abilities, his mission, and the justifiability of his decisions is what makes the Eisenhorn series what it is, for it is a story of consequences and his slow descent into Radicalism. At the start he's also rather gung-ho but he's only 40-60 years old; later on age and experience start catching up to him.
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uXs posted:I've started reading Eisenhorn, but I don't really like it so far. Eisenhorn is too full of himself, too "Oooh, I'm an inquisitor, look at me!" That combined with the first-person viewpoint makes it read like a self-insert fanfic type of thing. If that makes sense. There's this thing called hubris, it's kind of a big theme in Eisenhorn...
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Has there been any news on the new Eisenhorn book? Its been.....a while. I feel like I'm waiting for Martin to release the new Game of Thrones at this point. Good lord. (not as bad as the wait for Steakly's Armor 2. Jk thats never coming)
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Waroduce posted:(not as bad as the wait for Steakly's Armor 2. Jk thats never coming) Well, yeah. Steakley died a couple years ago.
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CaptainAttitude posted:Well, yeah. Steakley died a couple years ago.  Oh.....well than. Woopsy
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Waroduce posted:Has there been any news on the new Eisenhorn book? Its been.....a while. I feel like I'm waiting for Martin to release the new Game of Thrones at this point. Good lord. It's shown up on the Upcoming section of the BL site, says release is in November 2012.
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The ending to Wrath of Iron is so grimdark I actually laughed out loud. Easily the bleakest, most nihilistic 40k book I've read.
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I dunno, I thought Dead Men Walking was worse for the grimdark factor. Wrath of Iron just left me thinking the Iron Hands are a bunch of insecure douchebags.
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while i realize it is not the comic book forum, is it acceptable to ask about 40k comics in here? i have a physical copy of Imperial Gothic, which I like, and is fun, but a lot of the comics seem to be GW selling poo poo "oh here's a necron army oh and now space marines are fighting tau too and oh wow theres eldar look at all the poo poo you can buy" and they're kind of crummy in terms of story. are there any good ones out there?
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The Rat posted:I dunno, I thought Dead Men Walking was worse for the grimdark factor. Wrath of Iron just left me thinking the Iron Hands are a bunch of insecure douchebags. Yeah, I've just finished reading Dead Men Walking and The Emperor's Gift yesterday. Dead Men is definitely the grimdarkiest one; poo poo, (spoiling for safety) the only people whom you can argue to get happy endings in that one are the Kriegers who died. The Emperor's Gift though, was awesome scene after awesome scene, which was amazing for what is essentially a very pessimistic work. Again, spoiling to be safe, but seeing Bjorn face down Logan Grimnar and the Grey Knight who broke Angron's sword was loving amazing  That sarcophagus must contain and be powered by his massive balls. And finding out that kid from the Ravenor books grew up to BE that Grey Knight was  I definitely want more.lonelylikezoidberg posted:while i realize it is not the comic book forum, is it acceptable to ask about 40k comics in here? DEFF SKWADRON
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CommissarMega posted:The Emperor's Gift though, was awesome scene after awesome scene, which was amazing for what is essentially a very pessimistic work. Again, spoiling to be safe, but seeing Bjorn face down Logan Grimnar and the Grey Knight who broke Angron's sword was loving amazing The Ravenor tie-in was definitely my favourite part as well. Even more so because I felt he had a tiny role in the Ravenor books and I really wanted his character to go somewhere.
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CommissarMega posted:DEFF SKWADRON I think Bloodquest and Daemonifuge were ok, though it's been so long since I read them. You might also want to check out the Warhammer Monthly comics they did for a while. Honestly though, you're not going to get anything spectacular (the exception being DEFF SKWADRON.)
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The Rat posted:I dunno, I thought Dead Men Walking was worse for the grimdark factor. Wrath of Iron just left me thinking the Iron Hands are a bunch of insecure douchebags. It's not even close. Dead Men Walking has the protagonists lose, but Wrath of Iron has every character who displays even a shred of humanity (Nethata, Lopi, Marivo, Khadi) not just die, but also have their worldview refuted entirely by the events of the story. The one Space Marine who was capable of empathy completes his transition into a remorseless, hatred-fueled killing machine, and executes one of the humans who had even made their victory possible in the first place. The narrator practically says, through her, that if these are the kinds of monsters that are required to save the Imperium -- and the plot demonstrates clearly that they are -- then the Imperium isn't worth saving. That's a lot darker than any "oh no the enemy was too strong now we're dead" narrative. Though, I do like that Chris Wraight understands that the Imperium is not the "good" faction.
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None of the major factions are good; everyone's out to look for their continued survival first and foremost.
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Nephilm posted:None of the major factions are good; everyone's out to look for their continued survival first and foremost. The Salamanders are pretty righteous dudes.
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Nephilm posted:None of the major factions are good; everyone's out to look for their continued survival first and foremost. Wrong. The Orks are righteousness incarnate.
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Hey folks I've got an excerpt of Pariah thanks to the BL catologue I picked up today. The BL website also has a new summary for it as wellquote:I heard the crack, the crack of metal on flesh, the sound of an axe smacking a ripe tuber. Saur's head was snapped aside, his body rotating after it. Blood flew. It was in his dirty white hair. He crashed backwards into the railings of the upper ring, and knocked over a spit bucket. He half-fell, yet somehow kept his feet, but he was done. The stranger was following in, the salinter going for the throat while the guard was dropped. KramFoot fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jul 17, 2012 |
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