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So I'm having a problem. I've just started an Energy Weapons run and done the whole run to Vegas at lvl 2 thing and gotten my INT 10. Vendortron is stuck at 1000 caps. It never goes higher, but he does cycle the inventory every couple days. He also never stocks the items from the Silver Rush when I melt those assholes into shiny green goo. I've waited in game weeks for this to happen. Still at 1000 caps and no EW. I'm on XBOX, what do I do?
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:So I'm having a problem. I've just started an Energy Weapons run and done the whole run to Vegas at lvl 2 thing and gotten my INT 10. Vendortron is stuck at 1000 caps. It never goes higher, but he does cycle the inventory every couple days. He also never stocks the items from the Silver Rush when I melt those assholes into shiny green goo. I've waited in game weeks for this to happen. Still at 1000 caps and no EW. I'm on XBOX, what do I do? Caps scale with Vendortron. Weapons from GRA don't always move to the Vendortron like the wiki says. I found that out the hard way. Sorry to break it to you man.
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Another Person posted:Caps scale with Vendortron. Weapons from GRA don't always move to the Vendortron like the wiki says. I found that out the hard way. Sorry to break it to you man. Yep, I got screwed in my game when I realized the GRA weapons I wanted were gone. GRA added a ton of poo poo to spend money on and made it actually not worthless, so it was a bummer.
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CommissarMega posted:Isn't Chris Avellone the only Obsidian guy working on Wasteland? Think someone mentioned a few ex-Obsidian Storm of Zehir people are involved as well.
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When I did a Legion run, and I was watching the ending slides, I actually get a little sick and kinda disgusted with myself for doing it. You know a game is good when it makes you feel guilt over something. I wonder, since the aliens are semi-canon/background, and psykers are still a small part of the setting, are the talking animals still canon to Fallout? I never really felt like they fitted the setting, no offence. Tatics isn't properly canon, so the Beastlords aren't too then? I felt that tribal who can mentally control animals was pushing the setting a little too far. Is it only 1,2,3 and New vegas that are 100% part of the current Fallout canon now?
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Davos posted:True enough, true enough. I suppose I'm just trying to find flaws in House's ending since, other than the whole dictatorship thing, his ending seems like it's so obviously the objective best for the people of the Mojave, and I dislike that. That's actually the bad thing about House: in a game with no black-and-whites, he is the clear-cut best choice. All the strengths and none of the weaknesses (or rather, all his weaknesses are obstacles to overcome like relying on shady tribals and stealing the dam's power, not systemic issues like corrupt bureaucracy or slavery) and it's actually kind of the way really naive libertarian types see the world, IE "If only the Randian supermen were in charge, everything would be perfect and wonderful." Its stupid and childish when people believe it in real life, but in New Vegas it happens to be true. Caesar is basically right when he calls house a wizard; he's essentially a deus ex machina swooping in to save the day so you don't have to make any real choices that reflect life as-is. Anyway, in gameplay news: I have been through the whole Goodsprings thing like twenty times at this point, and I always go clear out the loot at the Yangtze Memorial to do it. This time I stumbled upon both the Devil's Gullet and Goodsprings Cave, two locations I never knew existed in like 200+ hours of gameplay. Christ.
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2 questions. First, how viable is an unarmed playthrough? Seems like you'd take a ton of damage running up to people to punch/slice them. (Related: is guns or energy more worth it)? Second, should I not have pissed the legion off so early? I'm about level 11 or so, and Boone and I are getting jumped so frequently by 5 or 6 assassins, and it's just luck if we survive or not (thankful for my grenade rifle thingie).
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JPrime posted:2 questions. First, how viable is an unarmed playthrough? Seems like you'd take a ton of damage running up to people to punch/slice them. (Related: is guns or energy more worth it)? 1) Very viable with high endurance and the right perks - also things like power-fists are still considered unarmed - and unarmed runs are hella fun. 2) This happened to me on one of my characters - but I was around lvl 6 or so and getting beat down by the assassin strike teams, so my character ran off to Utah to
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JawKnee posted:1) Very viable with high endurance and the right perks - also things like power-fists are still considered unarmed - and unarmed runs are hella fun. So for unarmed you just need HP/armor to soak up damage til you get in close? Utah?
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High END is more for getting perks that increase your DT, but yes, it also gives you more hp which helps. A high base DT armor is also a good idea, but don't feel you need to shackle yourself to power-armor to do this - there are lots of good light and medium armors out in the game-world to find (and mods like the signature armor mod can help if you really wanted to run around punching people in sexy-sleepwear or whatever). Oh, and by power-fist I'm referring to the weapon, not to power-armor. I don't want to give you a laundry-list of perks to grab, you'll see them yourself in game (or if you really care you can look over them on google), but concentrate on making your character relatively high END and STR and you should be fine, go for perks that ignore damage, increase DT, and increase your own unarmed damage primarily. Utah is a place you can go in one of the DLC campaigns. E: Oh yeah, take the Purifier perk! Punch death-claws in the JawKnee fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Wolfsheim posted:Anyway, in gameplay news: I have been through the whole Goodsprings thing like twenty times at this point, and I always go clear out the loot at the Yangtze Memorial to do it. This time I stumbled upon both the Devil's Gullet and Goodsprings Cave, two locations I never knew existed in like 200+ hours of gameplay. Christ. This happened to me, when I went, I think southeast of the Mojave Outpot, I found that big ravine with the constant radiation and golden geckos. I was all 
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JPrime posted:So for unarmed you just need HP/armor to soak up damage til you get in close? quote:Utah? Honest Hearts
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OldMemes posted:I wonder, since the aliens are semi-canon/background, and psykers are still a small part of the setting, are the talking animals still canon to Fallout? I never really felt like they fitted the setting, no offence. Tatics isn't properly canon, so the Beastlords aren't too then? I felt that tribal who can mentally control animals was pushing the setting a little too far. Is it only 1,2,3 and New vegas that are 100% part of the current Fallout canon now? Talking animals are canon in the sense that they happened, but due to the exact same concerns that your raised I think Avellone or Cain declared that they were all wiped out/dead of natural causes after Fallout 2. As for Tactics, information in Fallout 3 says that it did happen, but only the barest bones of the story and setting in that game were true. The Warrior still fought and destroyed the Calculator and it's army, but all the wierd slightly left-of-centre poo poo that happened in that game probably didn't. EDIT: Found it: http://duckandcover.cx/features/bible/bible9.php quote:No psykers survived the explosion of the Cathedral. quote:BTW, the talking deathclaws were destroyed at the end of Fallout 2. Xarn and Goris did not go on to create a new species. They are gone. Kaput. Goodbye. In fact, any mutant animal that talks can safely be assumed to have died at the end at the exact minute that Fallout 2 was over. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Wolfsheim posted:That's actually the bad thing about House: in a game with no black-and-whites, he is the clear-cut best choice. All the strengths and none of the weaknesses (or rather, all his weaknesses are obstacles to overcome like relying on shady tribals and stealing the dam's power, not systemic issues like corrupt bureaucracy or slavery) and it's actually kind of the way really naive libertarian types see the world, IE "If only the Randian supermen were in charge, everything would be perfect and wonderful." Its stupid and childish when people believe it in real life, but in New Vegas it happens to be true. Caesar is basically right when he calls house a wizard; he's essentially a deus ex machina swooping in to save the day so you don't have to make any real choices that reflect life as-is. House is an awful leader. He positioned himself to negotiate for the Mojave without any claim to sovereignty. His "government" provides no services, allows no representation, and is entirely parasitic. Vegas itself is an illusion. When he realized an organized government was approaching, he recruited three tribes to scam the NCR. Within the year, he signed the New Vegas treaty making Vegas a protectorate and requiring NCR to provide food, water, and power to the Strip. New Vegas, for all its money, is entirely beholden to the NCR for its basic utilities. A city that NCR are obligated to defend. A city that has swallowed countless caps and lives. One that NCR cannot even tax. Is it any wonder the situation cannot remain? House cannot even be bothered to ensure that the people of Freeside have access to water. At best, he is apathetic. At worst, he is actively detrimental to the well-being of the Mojave. If he wins Hoover Dam, he immediately consolidates his power by murdering the Kings for accepting peace with the NCR. If the people of Primm opt to accept NCR protection, House "sends Securitrons to Primm to "protect" it and collect heavy taxes from its citizens" yet he doesn't even bother to eliminate the Powder Gangers plaguing the roads. His "government" is one of oppression and neglect without the safety of the NCR or Caesar. One subject to the whims of a petty man.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:This happened to me, when I went, I think southeast of the Mojave Outpot, I found that big ravine with the constant radiation and golden geckos. I was all I loved finding that for the first time, and then reaching the other side, heading to the top and seeing the train tracks and part of the train.
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Now House has the dam, he has pretty much unlimited power and water, but a society takes time to bulid. Remember, he's only been active in the world again for a few years. Like that Goon earlier said, in real life, NCR would be the best choice, but in the game world, it's pretty much House. That's why he needs a good Courier to make sure he doesn't get too distanced from humanity and ened up becoming a dictator. Didn't House offer the Kings the same oppurnities as the others, but they turned him down? He only slaughters them if you get them to side with the NCR. The guy has been working on rebuliding Vegas for 200 years, I think he's used to playing the long game, and working alowly and carefully. He never sets himself up as a leader, just as a guy smart enough to rebulid Vegas for the greater good, to help everyone.
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House's society is essentially super capitalism, with him taking a cut of all profits and providing a degree of protection through his securitrons, but other than that he is utterly apathetic to what the people of the strip do or how they fare. It's certainly not the best thing for every individual person around, but the NCR and Legion aren't exactly loving and benevolent forces that will help every citizen around either. The only ending that could really be said to go to that length is a good karma independent ending, and that's so vague that you can pretty much imagine anything you want happening. But of the 3 'real' endings, House's seems to have far less downsides than the NCR or Legion. Sure he may be apathetic and calculating, but he is also efficient and generally looking for the betterment of humanity overall. There's also a much lesser chance of his straying from this goal than there is of the Legion straying from Caesar's vision, or the NCR moving even further from its original aim.
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This thread is why Obsidian should make Fallout 4. You can't have a 3-page discussion about whether or not you should blow up Megaton in Fallout 3, or what Harold's fate should be. I slightly prefer the Capital Wasteland to the Mojave, (I thought the locations were a little more interesting) but after playing New Vegas all of FO3's quests are boring in comparison. The one thing they did right in FO3, though, was having holotapes in all of the vaults you come across. I liked scavenging around while listening to them and hearing the vault's story. It was disappointing that there weren't nearly as many holotapes in NV, pausing the game and reading text in the Pip-Boy isn't as immersive. Then again, the most well-written vault story by far is vault 11 in NV. Whoever wrote that one deserves a raise.
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I appear to have run across a problem. I'm doing the Boomer stuff, got to the point where I'm sent to use the ballasts to retrieve the bomber. I go to Jack, use my science to do the dialogue option to get the rebeather instantly, and...it's broken. The rebreather is totally broken and unusable. I can't repair it with anything, no merchant's repair menu displays it in my item list, and it doesn't even appear when I use the player.srm command to repair things. If I try to add another rebreather through console commands it appears broken as well.
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So I've been slowly working through a Legion run as an bitter awkward genius energy weapons character. I got to Novac and saw that Cliff Brisco had the coolest recharger pistol thing, the MF Hyperbreeder Alpha, but it was around 9,000 caps or something. Way outside my poor level 6 character's price range. But drat I want that gun. So I think about how to make money. I could go to Vegas and gamble, but a particular radio broadcast caught my ear, about some casino or another, so I went to check it out. Throughout all of Dead Money, I had one goal: Rob the casino so I could by that sweet, sweet energy pistol. In the end, I manage to drag out just four items- the fully upgraded holorifle, Vera's outfit, and just two bars of gold. That adds up to 80 pounds- the absolute most my character can carry. (Playing J.E. Sawyer's mod- weight limit is cruel.) I just barely manage to lug literally all the gold I can carry back to Novac, go to sell them and... it turns out that both of them barely cover half the cost of the pistol. But if I sell everything else I own, more or less, especially the piles of pre-war money I got, I can just about afford this loving thing. I go outside. Give it a test fire. Never look back. It was all worth it. I'm probably going to be relying on this gun in one way or another for the rest of my run, so I'm glad I can look at it and say, "Yeah, I robbed a casino to pay for this thing." Wolfsheim posted:That's actually the bad thing about House: in a game with no black-and-whites, he is the clear-cut best choice. All the strengths and none of the weaknesses (or rather, all his weaknesses are obstacles to overcome like relying on shady tribals and stealing the dam's power, not systemic issues like corrupt bureaucracy or slavery) and it's actually kind of the way really naive libertarian types see the world, IE "If only the Randian supermen were in charge, everything would be perfect and wonderful." Its stupid and childish when people believe it in real life, but in New Vegas it happens to be true. Caesar is basically right when he calls house a wizard; he's essentially a deus ex machina swooping in to save the day so you don't have to make any real choices that reflect life as-is. He's a dreadful callous autocrat, whose goals may not be malevolent, but neither are they benevolent. If there's a choice between innocent human lives, or the general welfare of the people, and his arbitrary little industrial goals, well, people are going to die and suffer before House would see a hit to productivity. I think I've said before, but his values are not humanistic values. He values industry and the production of wealth for their own sake. That's how he measures his personal achievement, and his personal achievement is everything to him. Look at the way he deals with the Kings. If they put up any resistance, they all die. Does House care that they're a proud tribe with a strong sense of justice, and ultimately that they just want to help out the people of Freeside? Nope. He doesn't try to negotiate with them, to address their perfectly reasonable concerns. That's beneath him. He can just squash them, so why not? It's not like human welfare, human life matters to him. And why? What's the upshot? A prosperous den of brothels and casinos? Even if he rebuilds industry, sells goods to the NCR, makes money, does research, builds a space ship... what's the real goal? House is just trying to win the game of capitalism in a world where all the players have already died. He's following his Old World CEO instincts to make his company stronger and stronger, for the pure sake of making his company stronger, without being able to see that the whole game is over. I can see why he looks good though. He promises material prosperity. It's kind of frustrating actually how, especially here in America, material prosperity is axiomatically equated with human welfare. There's a huge difference, and House is at the far end. In a lot of ways, I find Caesar more sympathetic than House. Caesar may take the belief that the individual needs to sacrifice for society as a whole to an absurd and abhorrent extreme, but at least he's still concerned with the the overall welfare of human society. It makes a heck of a lot more sense to me than whatever the heck drives House.
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Davos posted:I appear to have run across a problem. I'm doing the Boomer stuff, got to the point where I'm sent to use the ballasts to retrieve the bomber. I go to Jack, use my science to do the dialogue option to get the rebeather instantly, and...it's broken. The rebreather is totally broken and unusable. I can't repair it with anything, no merchant's repair menu displays it in my item list, and it doesn't even appear when I use the player.srm command to repair things. If I try to add another rebreather through console commands it appears broken as well. It was broken/dimmed out for me too, but I could still put it on and it worked fine. Oddly, I carried it into Utah and suddenly it was completely fixed.
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DIEGETIC SPACEMAN posted:Then again, the most well-written vault story by far is vault 11 in NV. Whoever wrote that one deserves a raise. So we should give raises to everyone who copies Shirley Jackson's The Lottery?
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Epi Lepi posted:So we should give raises to everyone who copies Shirley Jackson's The Lottery? There's more to writing and storytelling than the conceptual level, hope this helps.
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Ceasar's great....unless you happen to be a women. or have your own cultural identity. Or like having freedom.  Seriously, listen to Boone's story, or do the Left My Heart quest, or talk about the Legion with Joshua. When even the guy who co-founded the thing is saying that Ceasar is nuts, I think that's a bad since, let alone the fact that Ceasar is basically a fraud anyway. I'm with House on this issue. "Slavery, the future of the wasteland? No!"  There's also the whole mass murder thing. But I guess  my trade routes are worth it. The problem is, there's not many people going to be left to trade with, especially if Lanius is running the show. He can murder Boone and Gannon in some of the endings too, so screw him, and the Legion. 
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Epi Lepi posted:So we should give raises to everyone who copies Shirley Jackson's The Lottery? For the sake of full disclosure, have you ever read the short story?
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Merry Magpie posted:For the sake of full disclosure, have you ever read the short story? Yes but not since High School.
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I feel like when it comes to Caesar people get really caught up on the whole slavery thing, which the fact of the matter is that in an environment like the Wasteland that is ultimately as primitive as it is (despite how common advanced technology is in some places) slaves really are one of the most efficient forms of labor possible. And it's not like slaves in ancient Rome were treated that terribly. Many slaves, especially those serving noblemen, had better lives than freeborn peasants. That said, one of my favorite player responses in the game has to been the exchange between you and Arcade if you convince the remnants to aid the Legion at the dam. Arcade: What the hell is wrong with you? Do you WANT New Vegas to be the slave capital of the world!? Courier: Yes, actually. I want New Vegas to be the slaving capital of the world.
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OldMemes posted:Ceasar's great....unless you happen to be a women. or have your own cultural identity. Or like having freedom. I like to think that my Courier quietly had Lanius tossed into a pit somewhere and took up an advising position to Lucius or Vulpes or whoever is left alive in the heirarchy. I mean, she's a lady who was favored by Caesar and has her face on Legion currency so she's got to at least have SOME clout despite her gender. She will be the post-apocolyptic Mojave version of Rome's Livia, and she will be power-hungry and badass as all hell and make things work no matter what the gently caress. And all that with an army of people instead of an army of robots. I like the idea of paving a new type of society instead of trying to live over the bones of the old one, even if it means going back to the lessons of an empire from thousands of years ago.  I will be the first to admit that the Legion are a huge bunch of dicks, but they are MY huge bunch of dicks. Hometown Slime Queen fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Epi Lepi posted:Yes but not since High School. The original story was an indictment of strict adherence to tradition. The story was intended to horrify and subvert the image of idyllic small town life. The story of Vault 11 altered the basic concept and tone. In lieu of a "fair" lottery, it became a "fair" election. The story was a black comedy, a satire of the democratic process, that explored the consequences therein. Everything including corruption, voting blocs, blackmail, and murder features in the story. It would be disingenuous to describe it as a mere copy.
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Davos posted:I feel like when it comes to Caesar people get really caught up on the whole slavery thing, which the fact of the matter is that in an environment like the Wasteland that is ultimately as primitive as it is (despite how common advanced technology is in some places) slaves really are one of the most efficient forms of labor possible. And it's not like slaves in ancient Rome were treated that terribly. Many slaves, especially those serving noblemen, had better lives than freeborn peasants. Remember, people are just being sold as labour, the Legion is also into sex slavery. Seriously, do Left My Heart, or get Boone to talk about his wife, or talk to Siri as a female character - it's horrifying. And it's not like the people of the wasteland are an unadvanced people, like the anicent world - most people seem to be literate, and have a good understanding of the world and technology, even in the poorer places. Even the isolated tribals in Honest Hearts have a pretty decent knowledge of the history of the world, the Great War, and science. To expect these people to be glad that the "civilising" legion will kill many of them, enslave the rest, sexually assualt others, and abuct and brainwash thier children is just silly. Any ending where the Legion is pushed back works. Unless I'm doing something, I always deal with any Legion I find. A Cowboy Reapter with armour piercing rounds and good VATS shot always works. 
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Really, because of all the cut Legion content and thus the lack of moral grayness in their in-game depiction, most of the upsides of the Legion are going off the assumption that Caesar completes his goal. IF Caesar conquers New Vegas, IF Caesar stays alive long enough to transition the Legion from a horde into a true empire, IF Caesar can find a successor who carries on with his ideals, IF the Legion successfully does transition into a peaceful Empire with the same efficiency in keeping the peace, and IF this empire then proceeds to develop along cultural tracks to eventually do away with the slavery, misogyny, and willful abandonment of technology, then the Legion is a drat good choice for the Wasteland.
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Davos posted:Really, because of all the cut Legion content and thus the lack of moral grayness in their in-game depiction, most of the upsides of the Legion are going off the assumption that Caesar completes his goal. IF Caesar conquers New Vegas, IF Caesar stays alive long enough to transition the Legion from a horde into a true empire, IF Caesar can find a successor who carries on with his ideals, IF the Legion successfully does transition into a peaceful Empire with the same efficiency in keeping the peace, and IF this empire then proceeds to develop along cultural tracks to eventually do away with the slavery, misogyny, and willful abandonment of technology, then the Legion is a drat good choice for the Wasteland. Seriously. If there's one thing that I'll hold against Obsidian, it's that they didn't add that extra layer to the Legion. There were definitely a lot of interesting points that never officially made it into the game.
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Davos posted:I feel like when it comes to Caesar people get really caught up on the whole slavery thing, which the fact of the matter is that in an environment like the Wasteland that is ultimately as primitive as it is (despite how common advanced technology is in some places) slaves really are one of the most efficient forms of labor possible. And it's not like slaves in ancient Rome were treated that terribly. Many slaves, especially those serving noblemen, had better lives than freeborn peasants. Look at you apologize for slavery and systematic rape you goon. EDIT: House is so bad how could you side with house in good conscience. House's exploitation of basically everyone in the NCR without power over him is totally disgusting. Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Ogmius815 posted:Look at you apologize for slavery and systematic rape you goon. Arcade worked for a fascist paramilitary organization that sought to wipe out 99% of all human life in the wasteland in order to make room for the pure. House wishes to institute an economic autocracy whilst being utterly apathetic to the wellbeing of most of his citizenry so long as power remains in his hands and he gets his payment. The NCR is full of total corruption and in most areas the rich have total power whilst the poor starve and have nothing, with the very institutions established to protect them now keeping them down in the dirt. ^^^^^ All this? Oh well, just what you have to sacrifice to stay alive in the wasteland! What's that, an empire that keeps an efficient but brutal peace for all its civilians at the cost of some slavery? What a bunch of unequivocally evil monsters, they all deserve to be wiped out for even daring to think of such a society!
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Seriously. If there's one thing that I'll hold against Obsidian, it's that they didn't add that extra layer to the Legion. There were definitely a lot of interesting points that never officially made it into the game. I think the Jesawyer formspring answer is that they ran out of time before they could add any Legion-sympathic locations. Also, are we ever not going to be at each other's throats about which faction is better? I'll look at the chart and see what's next. Edit: Oh wait, I guess if you argue anything long enough you'll eventually end up at the beginning of the conversation. Why don't we just get a poll going? That way we can really see who's the best. Because that's what everyone seems to be preoccupied with. TexMexFoodbaby fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Davos posted:Arcade worked for a fascist paramilitary organization that sought to wipe out 99% of all human life in the wasteland in order to make room for the pure. It isn't "some slavery" it's the widespread rape and murder of everyone who dares to to not want to be a slave. Look now I'm as critical of Liberal Capitalism as anyone on these forums but NCR corruption doesn't begin to compare to the moral blackness of the legion. EDIT: You know what that doesn't even begin to cover it. You don't even have to defy the legion to become one of their victims. The people of Nipton didn't deserve to be beheaded/crucified/burned on a giant pyre because their mayor was a douche, they were just guilty of being in the legion's way. Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Jul 28, 2012 |
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Come on you guys, siding with any faction doesn't mean we're corrupted or morally bankrupt or capitalist or in support of slavery in real life or whatever. It's just a video game.
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Supporting the Legion would be much more understandable closer to the bombs falling. By now, its fairly clear that institutions can survive without be horribly brutal and built on the backs of slaves. Just a few years after the bombs, with Deathclaws everywhere? You can make a much stronger case for incredibly strict, totalitarian government based around slave labor if you can show that it is absolutely necessary for basic survival. The same with trade. I'm sure that trade is safer in the Legion than the core of NCR territory, but the tradeoffs aren't worth it. If your choice is safe trade or no effective trade at all? Maybe at least a choice. You can build something from that, you can't do anything from complete anarchy.
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