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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Why's he whining about that. He wasn't even on the card. Should count himself lucky he got a pay off considering he's nothing more than a jobber
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Why's he whining about that. He wasn't even on the card. Should count himself lucky he got a pay off considering he's nothing more than a jobber The wrestling industry might be the only business where working your hardest doesn't necessarily pay off at all. Well, Wrestling and working in Retail.
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Perigryn posted:Meltzer explained the JTG situation. He was upset over how low the Wrestlemania payoff was despite how well the show did financially.  Guys getting mad at not being paid for shows they aren't even on. Why not go to TNA where you can get mad for not getting paid for shows where you actually worked.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:
I'm 99% sure he was in the pre-show battle royal, which exists entirely so those guys can get a paycheck for the show. Its lovely if the show did the most money in Mania history and they got less than they have for past Manias, regardless of their status.
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njsykora posted:I'm 99% sure he was in the pre-show battle royal, which exists entirely so those guys can get a paycheck for the show. Its lovely if the show did the most money in Mania history and they got less than they have for past Manias, regardless of their status. Why you gotta bring stuff like facts, stats and logic into this discussion
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njsykora posted:I'm 99% sure he was in the pre-show battle royal, which exists entirely so those guys can get a paycheck for the show. Its lovely if the show did the most money in Mania history and they got less than they have for past Manias, regardless of their status. Maybe John Cena should intervene because he truly represented the locker room's frustrations in those promos against The Rock.
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Aug 7, 2012 16:50
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I don't think we've ever gotten a look at a legit salary breakdown for WWE wrestlers, but the guaranteed money for JTG and other NXT/Superstars guys can't be that high and it's not like he's receiving any cut of merchandising revenue whatsoever. poo poo, they don't even put him in the video games anymore, which is a very nice paycheck from what people were saying when Jericho got left out. I think guys in that position depend on the usually generous Wrestlemania payout to make sticking with WWE worthwhile. The longer you're there and mis-used, the less you probably hope to be pushed and given something to do and start breaking things down on a cost-benefit analysis level. Since he's not on TV, has no real hopes of being used on TV, and didn't get the money he was expecting, I can see how he would be pissed off and thinking of plying his trade elsewhere to make a living. Not sure it's the best decision, but I understand it. JTG should look on the bright side. His WM payout may be down, but social media metrics are up up UP! Tato fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Aug 7, 2012 |
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Tato posted:I don't think we've ever gotten a look at a legit salary breakdown for WWE wrestlers, but the guaranteed money for JTG and other NXT/Superstars guys can't be that high and it's not like he's receiving any cut of merchandising revenue whatsoever. I remember seeing one a couple years ago, but I don't know if it was accurate or not. It reported Melina being paid more than half the mid-card.
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Aug 7, 2012 20:09
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Lone Rogue posted:Nice to see it isn't just TNA loving over the undercard. JTG not getting paid a lot for a card he was barely on is a bit of a far cry from your women's champ having to work at Hot Topic, wouldn't you say?
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flashy_mcflash posted:JTG not getting paid a lot for a card he was barely on is a bit of a far cry from your women's champ having to work at Hot Topic, wouldn't you say? Let me know when TNA makes the kind of profit WWE makes and their Diva's Champion has to work at Hot Topic.
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Lone Rogue posted:Let me know when TNA makes the kind of profit WWE makes and their Diva's Champion has to work at Hot Topic. TNA is also my favourite indy fed
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flashy_mcflash posted:TNA is also my favourite indy fed It would be nice if TNA got rid of Sting and then spent the Sting money on giving their midcarders more money. At this point he's an exhausted commodity. They at least actually create merch for their Knockouts and midcarders but who knows how much money they actually get out of it. However, that's the ugly nature of the business. The guys they assume who can make money for them make more money than anyone with potential to make money for them.
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Lone Rogue posted:It would be nice if TNA got rid of Sting and then spent the Sting money on giving their midcarders more money. At this point he's an exhausted commodity. They at least actually create merch for their Knockouts and midcarders but who knows how much money they actually get out of it. Or at one point they were the ones getting paid first and if they ran out too bad.
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njsykora posted:I'm 99% sure he was in the pre-show battle royal, which exists entirely so those guys can get a paycheck for the show. Its lovely if the show did the most money in Mania history and they got less than they have for past Manias, regardless of their status. There was no pre-show battle royal, just a tag match that he was also not in.
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I will never understand how so many people in this forum are so quick to say that a wrestler hating their position should shut up, and just let WWE do whatever they want.
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From the Observer:quote:-- JTG's Twitter rant last night read: "The camels back just BROKE ! I had enought of this ... As a pro athlete,Im tired of me and my lockerroom brothers being taken advantage of . Fans have no idea what we go through.#itsanillusion ... Yea I said it ... Nobody wants to speak up, everybodys afraid of losing their job or getting taken off TV." He was far from the only undercard wrestler who was upset about their WrestleMania payoff, which was said to be just a few thousand dollars.
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The_Rob posted:I will never understand how so many people in this forum are so quick to say that a wrestler hating their position should shut up, and just let WWE do whatever they want. It happens in sports as well. Most people are in love with the team, not the players. That way players can come and go and they still cheer the team. "How dare this player want more money, gently caress him he should take less so my team can sign even more players" kind of mentality. Same poo poo happens when it's factory vs. union worker.
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I imagine the Wrestlemania payoff is their version of a Christmas bonus, and JTG had a Clark Griswold-style meltdown.
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The_Rob posted:I will never understand how so many people in this forum are so quick to say that a wrestler hating their position should shut up, and just let WWE do whatever they want. Speaking up the way he is never ends well so really there is no point. He should just ask for his release and go elsewhere because as long as a McMahon is in charge talent relations probably won't change. They don't give a gently caress what the midcard thinks. I would also normally say that speaking up on twitter like an idiot will make future employers see you as less desirable as well but it's the wrestling business and the only other game in town is TNA - the company that employs Jeff Hardy among others so it doesn't really apply.
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Grant DaNasty posted:I imagine the Wrestlemania payoff is their version of a Christmas bonus, and JTG had a Clark Griswold-style meltdown. really should've ended his Twitter rant with HOLY poo poo, WHERE'S THE TYLENOL
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Incredibly, this might mean the guys angry about The Rock were right in the end because he didn't make them all more money.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Speaking up the way he is never ends well so really there is no point. He should just ask for his release and go elsewhere because as long as a McMahon is in charge talent relations probably won't change. They don't give a gently caress what the midcard thinks. So the options are literally just shut up, or leave your main source of income? Better not upset the fine upstanding company that WWE is. Jtg is out there hurting himself on a nightly basis, and is getting nothing to show for it. He should just be happy with that because WWE is a popular company?
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The_Rob posted:So the options are literally just shut up, or leave your main source of income? Better not upset the fine upstanding company that WWE is. I don't think you get it. What happens if he throws a fit? He gets future endeavored. WWE is a lovely company with lovely management who isn't going to buckle and overhaul the way they treat their talent because of some easily expendable midcarder that they never use. It'd take someone on Cena's level speaking up to ever get anything even looked at for a change. The two options for JTG in WWE because of how the company works and who is in charge are literally shut up and keep collecting checks or ask for your release and go to TNA or break your back on the indies for even less pay until you give up. FCW is full of guys that would replace JTG without a complaint at any time they're called up. That's what happens when the devil has a monopoly. If you think JTG flipping out on twitter with a bunch of midcarders is going to make WWE stop mistreating their talent behind the scenes you're the markiest mark of all. In a perfect world sure the #occupyWWE movement by a midcarder would get poo poo done but the wrestling business is run by the worst people.
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I don't understand people writing off JTG as some jobber. He isn't a bad worker at all, and is only a jobber because WWE Creative "has nothing for him".
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Jelq Swagger posted:I don't understand people writing off JTG as some jobber. He isn't a bad worker at all, and is only a jobber because WWE Creative "has nothing for him". And when WWE is the only major game in town even when TNA does seem to be slowly picking up steam this is what makes him easily replaced. It has nothing to do with ability level. I'm not arguing that it's bullshit and that they shouldn't be paid more. I'm just saying that he's stuck and flipping on twitter isn't going to help that given the current business situation.
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In the past everyone gets payed more for Wrestlemania, if they weren't booked or not. Also there was no dark match battle royal, its was that one Tag Team match.
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Jelq Swagger posted:I don't understand people writing off JTG as some jobber. He isn't a bad worker at all, and is only a jobber because WWE Creative "has nothing for him". Jelq Swagger posted:is...a jobber  But seriously, nobody is saying JTG is poo poo at his job and deserves to be treated like poo poo, all people are saying is JTG bitching about a bonus size for a show he wasn't even on accomplishes nothing, for him or for anyone he's supposedly speaking on behalf of.
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Aug 7, 2012 22:50
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Suppose JTG knows he has no other avenue for change given his status in the company and his only way of actually changing anything is through public awareness? WWE has been shamed into change before.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:
Personally, "wrestler bitching" to me is Shane Douglas bitching about Ric Flair not pushing him or Kenny Dykstra bitching about John Cena loving his girlfriend. If the company you work for tells you that you're going to receive a bonus based on the success of a show and it's the most successful show in the history of the company yet you receive a small rear end cheque, is it really bitching? Was Jericho bitching when he complained how HHH got a bigger WMX-8 payoff than him? Were ECW wrestlers just bitching when Paul Heyman was bouncing their cheques?
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SamuraiFoochs posted:
People were expecting to be paid more. Wrestlemania 28 did the biggest business of any single WWE show in history by all accounts. Guys were expecting to get more and instead got less thus they are a little understandably upset. JTG's not the only guy mad about it just the only one actually saying anything and it's pretty lovely on WWE's part to lowball guys on pay despite whatever you may think of guys getting at base a couple thousand whether or not they were on the card.
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Flameingblack posted:The wrestling industry is a business. A lovely, shady business, but it's still a business. Doesn't it suck that people who do much less are making four times as much as you just because they knew the right people and showed up in the right place/time? This is true of most anything that has to do with acting.
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Lone Rogue posted:Personally, "wrestler bitching" to me is Shane Douglas bitching about Ric Flair not pushing him or Kenny Dykstra bitching about John Cena loving his girlfriend. If the company you work for tells you that you're going to receive a bonus based on the success of a show and it's the most successful show in the history of the company yet you receive a small rear end cheque, is it really bitching? Was Jericho bitching when he complained how HHH got a bigger WMX-8 payoff than him? Were ECW wrestlers just bitching when Paul Heyman was bouncing their cheques? Chris Jericho is Chris Jericho. A main eventer at that point with pull and legs to stand on in a dispute with a McMahon. People complained about getting shafted by Paul Heyman and he laughed all the way to the bank as ECW burned and went out of business and there were probably still guys to this day who never saw that money. He was in charge and he wasn't going to change how he did business because he was the head honcho. Anyway this is going to go around and around and my point isn't anything near the notion that these guys shouldn't get paid what they're worth so I'm moving on from it.
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Suben posted:People were expecting to be paid more. Wrestlemania 28 did the biggest business of any single WWE show in history by all accounts. Guys were expecting to get more and instead got less thus they are a little understandably upset. JTG's not the only guy mad about it just the only one actually saying anything and it's pretty lovely on WWE's part to lowball guys on pay despite whatever you may think of guys getting at base a couple thousand whether or not they were on the card. I feel you, I guess all I'm saying is as lovely as it is (and I honestly agree it sucks rear end) it's a little hard for me to not think "jobber" when I think JTG. That (other than the fact that he wasn't on the show himself) doesn't invalidate the criticism but a guy bitching on Twitter who a lot of people probably don't even remember is employed doesn't carry as much gravitas.
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I'm guessing these guys that hardly ever get used are probably sold on the Wrestlemania payout as a sort of complacency-batting measure. In a vacuum, I'd agree with the "why is he whining about a show he wasn't on" crew, but knowing the business, I'm sure he was probably sold a bill of goods in regards to it.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I'm guessing these guys that hardly ever get used are probably sold on the Wrestlemania payout as a sort of complacency-batting measure. That's a fair point, and really I'm with Carlisle, what I'm posting is absolutely coming off in a way I don't mean to.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:In other news... Chuck Taylor is a great man, this isn't news. But then this isn't a news thread, so YAY!
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That really was 140 characters. All that fancy book-learning did him some good! 
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