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I heard this question in a history podcast and I've been wondering the same thing as the lecturer; In the age of exploration you often hear that crews starve or near-starve. Why don't they fish? My guess would be the lack of much fish near the surface in the open ocean? Or is it always simply implied that they do but without enough succes? Or maybe because you need a fire to cook the fish. Still I would imagine a desperate crew risking that instead of starving.
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Golbez posted:Check out Wikipedia's article on language deprivation experiments (which interestingly redirects from 'forbidden experiment') to see the effects this has had: There's also this, often called the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis and famously used as the basic principle behind Newspeak in 1984, but now largely disproven.
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Aug 10, 2012 18:13
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Wagonburner posted:to eat, gently caress and take care of the kids Two of those things should not be done to kids you sicko.
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Namarrgon posted:I heard this question in a history podcast and I've been wondering the same thing as the lecturer; I'm gonna go with either a straight lack of fish or 'near-starve' misinterpreted as malnutrition. You would need a lot of fish to feed a whole ship crew constantly, and even if you had all the fish you could eat you'd not get the nutrients you need; and I'm sure any area of ocean not near the bed would be quite sparse anyway. I wasn't able to find any statistics about population density of fish in the ocean but while looking I did find out that the large fish population of the ocean has been fished down to 10% of what it normally is 
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Aug 10, 2012 19:07
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There's also the issue of vitamins: Just where are you going to get vitamin C in the open ocean?
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Aug 10, 2012 19:15
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Golbez posted:There's also the issue of vitamins: Just where are you going to get vitamin C in the open ocean? This site seems to indicate that fresh fish are a decently good source of vitamin C (As is most any type of fresh meat). http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/vitamin-c-in-fish.php With the average fish having 2.26 mg / 100g and humans needing at least 10 mg / day to fend of scurvy, as long as they could get a pound of fish a day they would be fine. Since historically they weren't fine, I would lean more toward fish not being available near the surface rather than the nutrition provided by the fish not being sufficient.
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Golbez posted:There's also the issue of vitamins: Just where are you going to get vitamin C in the open ocean? The answer to your question was accidentally discovered by some unlucky arctic explorers. For more details, read this (PDF). Short answer: quote:The expedition proper ate fresh meat regularly at least once a day in the shape of polar bear. The people on the ship had, however, a prejudice against this food, which certainly was not particularly palatable, and insisted, against all advice, upon eating their preserved and salted meat. This meat I occasionally noticed to be somewhat "high" or "gamey", and afterwards heard that it was often so. The result was that, though I visited the ship every day, and personally saw that each man swallowed his dose of lime juice (which was made compulsory, and was of the best quality), the whole ship’s company were tainted with scurvy, and two died.
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Got an iPod touch that was working fine a while ago and connects fine to my spouse's computer. However, when I connect to my laptop's usb port the thing constantly clicks on and off. The battery icon keeps changing to charging and not charging. Anyone else have this happen to them?
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Aug 10, 2012 21:48
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Connect something else to the same port to check the port is good.
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Yeah, it works with the other iPod fine.
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Wagonburner posted:What's the study called and anyone have a link to a good layman's explanation of how language works in our brain, not for purposes of communicating with another but just that language allowing us to think complex concepts? There ain't a study on that because it's too broad to be an actual question. It is a fundamental principle of modern linguistic theory, since an innate capacity for language was proposed in the 50's/60's. I think Chomsky 57 is the first citation, but it might be Bickerton's Language Biomorph Hypothesis that was first. Doesn't really matter. You either want Pinker's Language Instinct, although it's out of date and pretty dry, or just take Linguistics 101/buy the last-before-current edition of the Language Files textbook series on e-bay and read through it. Or just grab anything by John McWhorter because he can actually write in an entertaining way for laymen, even if he's not really writing about that kind of thing. If you have a question, PM me or ask the Linguistics thread in SAL. And we should all just forget about the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. poo poo be dumb.
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Xiahou Dun posted:There ain't a study on that because it's too broad to be an actual question. It is a fundamental principle of modern linguistic theory, since an innate capacity for language was proposed in the 50's/60's. I think he meant study as in an academic discipline as a whole rather than a specific research project. I was thinking semiotics might me closer to the mark than linguistics, but you sound like you know what you're talking about more than I do.
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Does anyone know of a website where people take requests for canvases, painting and art in general? I did a quick google search and all I saw was deviant art and anime stuff. I've been wanting to get a George Carlin painting, poster, canvas, something but the internet is seriously lacking. I found this on Etsy, although similar it's not what I want. How do I go about finding someone to do something like this for me?
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stubblyhead posted:I think he meant study as in an academic discipline as a whole rather than a specific research project. I was thinking semiotics might me closer to the mark than linguistics, but you sound like you know what you're talking about more than I do. That is basically what linguistics is : figuring out what it means to say that you "know" a language, and how you learn it. Semiotics is unrelated to the concrete formation of the question, which is how I was interpreting it. That's like some old school Saussure poo poo.
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Mike Tysons CARFAX posted:Does anyone know of a website where people take requests for canvases, painting and art in general? I did a quick google search and all I saw was deviant art and anime stuff. There are all kinds of services that will print a photo onto canvas for you. You could also try SAMart if you want something less photo more painting.
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Wagonburner posted:What's the study called and anyone have a link to a good layman's explanation of how language works in our brain, not for purposes of communicating with another but just that language allowing us to think complex concepts? This is actually extremely interesting. I remember reading about an experiment involving mute children who didn't yet know sign language. They were sat on a chair in a room filled with stuff. A toy/cookie/good thing was shown to the child being placed behind an object in the room. Children who could speak went straight for the object without trouble. But the mute children had to actually search. They couldn't store the information "behind the cardboard box" or "in the chest". The opposite version is with the Australian aboriginals. Their language doesn't have a concept of right or left, only four cardinal directions. As such their ability to navigate is almost unmatched, and they have an innate sense of direction.
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My voicemail system (among seemingly many other automated phone systems) has a push-[whatever]-to-end-session prompt. Why?
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Cymbal Monkey posted:This is actually extremely interesting. I remember reading about an experiment involving mute children who didn't yet know sign language. They were sat on a chair in a room filled with stuff. A toy/cookie/good thing was shown to the child being placed behind an object in the room. Children who could speak went straight for the object without trouble. But the mute children had to actually search. They couldn't store the information "behind the cardboard box" or "in the chest". The opposite version is with the Australian aboriginals. Their language doesn't have a concept of right or left, only four cardinal directions. As such their ability to navigate is almost unmatched, and they have an innate sense of direction. Link? Mute children usually can understand language fine : they just can't respond in an easily understood way, although most children rapidly develop some amount of home-sign. And the second bit about "aboriginal" (which, off the top of my head, is at least two language families, so generalizations are useless), is from another study, that only worked on one Australian language and another from South America. It also was with adults and nothing like what you described. Neither one of these should be relevant to what you are describing. And I'll say it again : the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis really needs to stop coming up, it's really, really dumb and any strong assertions from it have been demolished again and again. Being a pissy bitch about linguistics ITT.
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I'm moving to San Francisco. Where do I go to talk to San Francisco goons for advice about their fine city?
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Shbobdb posted:I'm moving to San Francisco. Where do I go to talk to San Francisco goons for advice about their fine city? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3032519 San Fran's LAN thread. Go hog wild.
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Zenostein posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3032519 Thanks buddy!
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Travakian posted:My voicemail system (among seemingly many other automated phone systems) has a push-[whatever]-to-end-session prompt. Why? Because otherwise the less technologically apt user would be very annoyed, listening to the robot forever, wondering when/if it is okay to end the call.
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Cymbal Monkey posted:This is actually extremely interesting. I remember reading about an experiment involving mute children who didn't yet know sign language. They were sat on a chair in a room filled with stuff. A toy/cookie/good thing was shown to the child being placed behind an object in the room. Children who could speak went straight for the object without trouble. But the mute children had to actually search. They couldn't store the information "behind the cardboard box" or "in the chest". Also requesting a link about this experiment. The obvious counterargument seems to be that dogs don't speak any language, and they have no problem remembering a location that way.
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Any musical people know what this symbol means? It looks kind of like a simile mark but I haven't been able to find anything about it myself. E:I wasn't sure if it just meant repeat previous bar, the piece also contains regular simile marks like this:  distinct from the ones on the example above. EE: That could be it V V V EEE: Okay, I think I figured it out, it repeats the previous bar like normal, and the notes in the brackets are played instead of the repeat on the second time through the section. Bad Bromance fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Aug 11, 2012 |
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Also my mom only lets me spend five bucks a month to get my cool gaga avatars back so I guess I'm stuck with this one for a while.
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Is there any website that specialises in task management, specifically where a group of people work together? I'm looking for something along the lines of Google Tasks or Remember the Milk but these seem very basic compared to what I need it for. What I'm looking for is something a team of people can use where a team leader creates tasks and then workers in the team will pick tasks and work on them. To add complexity the worker should be able to break the task down by creating sub-tasks and then link them to the main task. Also, it should allow team members to add comments to the task as a method of communicating with other people in the team. There could also be some kind of notification system so the team leader for example could see when a task is completed. Anything like that out there?
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Long Wang posted:Anything like that out there? I've seen wikis used for that purpose. As of semi-recently, Workflowy might be good for that too (but maybe too basic? can you elaborate more on what features you want?).
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Long Wang posted:Is there any website that specialises in task management What you want is Jira, but it's not free: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/overview
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Jira looks like it will do what I want. Shame it's not free but I'll try the free trial. Workflowy could probably work but it looks like a multi-user word document. 
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There are an awful lot of products out there that can do what you want, many with free trial versions. Google around for "Task Management" or "Product Management". Many of them are intended to be used by teams of software developers, and might be "Agile" or "Scrum" themed, but they'll work just as well for any project - Software Engineers are just obsessed with tracking and quantifying how much work they can get done in a given amount of time.
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Long Wang posted:Is there any website that specialises in task management, specifically where a group of people work together? I'm looking for something along the lines of Google Tasks or Remember the Milk but these seem very basic compared to what I need it for. Kanbanflow.com can do all that and it's free.
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Long Wang posted:Is there any website that specialises in task management, specifically where a group of people work together? I'm looking for something along the lines of Google Tasks or Remember the Milk but these seem very basic compared to what I need it for. To add to the pile, Asana.com also does this quite well, and is also free. (I think BasecampHQ.com is the Ur-example for paid versions of this concept.)
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Is there anything I can read or study on debating with people with opposite viewpoints? I can articulate my logic and bring up concrete evidence well in a debate (that both me and the person agree to get into), but I can't quite seem to actually convince people about my side of the debate/argument. Debates like these seem to just stalemate instead of reaching a conclusive understanding and finish either on my side or theirs. For example, a libertarian economics major friend and I were arguing for literally three hours just now about universal healthcare versus a libertarian-style free market approach to health insurance. He kept arguing about economic models and how statistics aren't as important as models, how every country is different when it comes to healthcare and that we shouldn't use a "blanket solution" when it comes to healthcare due to genetics and demographics playing such a role in healthcare systems and insurance (i.e. "all-white" countries like "New Zealand and Sweden" being unable to be compared to the United States which has "the most diversity in the world"  ) despite countries like Taiwan and New Zealand being able to implement universal healthcare and single-payer systems in the face of vastly different demographics, etc.I guess what I'm trying to say is: how do you debate someone who wants to argue just from (economics) ideology and rhetoric instead of statistics and concrete/real-world examples as well? [EDIT]: Okay, I think I know the answer to this one already... You can't? Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Aug 11, 2012 |
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You can't because he obviously cares more about ideology than reality. Even if he were to accept that you are factually correct he might still not agree. For example, my country still has a monarchy. The queen gets money from tax payers. This is quite a lot. This is often countered with the argument that the royalty brings in foreign contracts (that would presumably not be there under a republic) in excess to the tax payers costs. In essence they pay for themselves. I accept this as fact but I don't care, I'm still against it from an ideological point of view. But in general you will very rarely convert someone on the spot. This is because the overwhelming majority would never (relatively quickly) admit to being wrong. At best they will think about it later when the arguments have calmed down. HOWEVER, I found in an argument it is very important to somehow leave your opponent an 'out'. Something they can agree on that allows them to accept or convert to your opinion without their previous opinion being wrong. Often this is just a bullshit nonsense thingy but it really seems to help.
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Namarrgon posted:You can't because he obviously cares more about ideology than reality. Even if he were to accept that you are factually correct he might still not agree. I like this, but how on earth do people ever make real changes politically on a societal scale if it's so frustrating and exhausting to try and convince even one person? Is it some kind of broader zeitgeist issue that a majority of the population has to naturally shift in views before certain policies can become acceptable? I.E., universal healthcare will never work in America until the majority of people and the cultural foundation can handle accepting and supporting such policies for example? Or is it less predeterministic than I am imagining (i.e. shifting public opinion slowly by attrition via discourse and campaigning)?
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Macintosh posted:I booked a flight on American Airlines a few months ago and recently got an email about a schedule change. This schedule change would push back my arrival at my destination back about 3 and a half hours. No one answered this, but yes! As long as the flight has been changed to arrive more than 120 minutes after scheduled departure, AA is obligated to give you a full refund in the original form of payment, even if the ticket was non-refundable, per Rule 240. https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/index.asp Use that site. Here's AA's Rule 240. It's confusing as poo poo but that definition is in there right smack in the middle somewhere.
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Powered Descent posted:Also requesting a link about this experiment. The obvious counterargument seems to be that dogs don't speak any language, and they have no problem remembering a location that way. I don't know about dogs, but the obvious counterargument to me is that there are mute humans who can still comprehend language despite not being able to speak it.
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OrangeGuy posted:I like this, but how on earth do people ever make real changes politically on a societal scale if it's so frustrating and exhausting to try and convince even one person? Sadly, the most important battleground are the public schools. There are quietly large movements now, for example, for teaching against the theory (or fact?) of man-made climate change. Of course there is a pushback from "the good guys" too. It's pretty sickening to think that people are trying to negatively influence and manipulate something as important as the teaching of basic science to children. Media plays a large part too. Did Glee help much in anti-bullying and anti-homophobia? You can do a lot of good and bad with media (TV and movies) and the way the news is presented.
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Dudebro posted:Sadly, the most important battleground are the public schools. There are quietly large movements now, for example, for teaching against the theory (or fact?) of man-made climate change. Of course there is a pushback from "the good guys" too. It's pretty sickening to think that people are trying to negatively influence and manipulate something as important as the teaching of basic science to children. Yeah, trying to convert someone by presenting something as "correct" or "better" is going to be pretty tough. You honestly have a much better chance of getting people to change their minds by thinking that it's "normal," and that they'd better agree with you if they want to fit in. Today's youth: being gay is pretty normal. Many people have an openly gay friend, family member, or coworker. The hard-line conservative elderly are holding this back, because they never knew anyone who was openly gay. Pretty soon they'll be dead, and we can vote gay marriage in.
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Gravity Pike posted:Today's youth: being gay is pretty normal. Many people have an openly gay friend, family member, or coworker. The hard-line conservative elderly are holding this back, because they never knew anyone who was openly gay. Pretty soon they'll be dead, and we can vote gay marriage in. If only it were that simple. There's lots of liberal olds (you know, those hippies you heard about from the 60s, among others) and lots of right-wing kids (the religious twits everybody ignores). Every generation thinks things are going to get freer and more progressive automatically. They don't. You have to work for it. When I was in college, gay marriage was unthinkable, now its a legit topic of debate. But then again, we thought contraception was a done deal and abortion nearly so, and the far right has succeeded in bringing that debate back, and if anything women's rights in general seem shakier now than they did in the 70s and 80s. The civil liberties situation these days is worse, too. Don't take progress, current or future, for granted. To actually answer the question, patience and eternal vigilance. Things change slowly and take effort, but they can be changed.
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