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Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Dalkalopagus posted:

Unless I'm forgetting something, the only characters who use "gay" and "human being" as insults are the trolls, which is an accurate portrayal of how dumb internet troll talk. It's like how Mark Twain used the word "injun" in Tom Sawyer.

Just think, eighty years from now our grandchildren will be reading the censured version of TGT in school.

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Xuande
Sep 16, 2011

BOK CHOY!
I'm fairly certain that LazerBot is constantly tongue-in-cheek rhetorically, I mean his sentences are always run-ons and he even made his icon that stupid (^^) face he replies with at one point. His jokes on belittling people for being "gay" are just part of the satire of the adolescent boy mindset the comic uses.

Cechmanek
Jan 25, 2007

DAMN
YOU
SHADOW!!


peace of poo poo

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Xuande posted:

I'm fairly certain that LazerBot is constantly tongue-in-cheek rhetorically, I mean his sentences are always run-ons and he even made his icon that stupid (^^) face he replies with at one point. His jokes on belittling people for being "gay" are just part of the satire of the adolescent boy mindset the comic uses.

That doesn't really exonerate him, though. There's no real satire going on. He's not the genius some people make him out to be, he's just a dude who thought "what if elmer fudd was a necromancer?" and has an entertaining story. Still relies on homophobic humor too much.

It's okay, all diamonds have flaws. Unless they're artificial, but then those are worthless anyway.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

Mo Tzu posted:

That doesn't really exonerate him, though. There's no real satire going on. He's not the genius some people make him out to be, he's just a dude who thought "what if elmer fudd was a necromancer?" and has an entertaining story. Still relies on homophobic humor too much.

It's okay, all diamonds have flaws. Unless they're artificial, but then those are worthless anyway.
Yeah, I would prefer it if he dropped the "fag/gay/homo" crap, at least in his own postings. It works in the comic when the villains are saying it since it's the perfect trolling dialogue, but there have been times when the "heroes" have used some homophobic language (Tails going "ahhhh so gay" for example) and it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Lazerbot, if you're following the thread, from one of your biggest fans, please try to cut down on the "gay" insults?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

LazyB has specifically said he loves them gays but is just writing troll dialog like trolls talk. But yeah it does get a bit much at times... I do wish he'd tone it back to ONLY using them when trolls are trolling and not all the time in everything he writes.

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

the cool guys; Lazerbot

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

JazzFlight posted:

Lazerbot, if you're following the thread, from one of your biggest fans, please try to cut down on the "gay" insults?

I'm sure lazerbot's opinion on his personal use of the "fag" and "gay" terms parallel the opinion voiced by South Park in the episode where the kids call those annoying Harley-Davidson motorcyclists fags because they're annoying/stupid, not because they're actually homosexuals.

Like Cartman says, "You can be gay and not a fag."

Mo Tzu posted:


the cool guys; Lazerbot

Hellooooo new desktop background!

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!
he's
just
acting
troll
wich
means
be a
dick

Aristobulus
Mar 20, 2007

Slap omni-gel on
everything.



These avatars paid for Lowtax new boat.

Mo Tzu posted:


the cool guys; Lazerbot

Holy poo poo this is amazing. Just need it in a higher resolution.

total agreement
Dec 19, 2011
I imagine Garry sounding like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-rxpD4nTQ&t=125s

Probably because of the mask, the homophobic slurs Garry often says make it seem funnier than it should be.

*late edit

total agreement fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Aug 26, 2012

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Mo Tzu posted:


the cool guys; Lazerbot


Why gently caress the high shovel mother fuckers? Unless he means it as an invitation to the ladies to gently caress the high shovel mother fuckers...

(I get what he means, I just like syntax!)

simplefish fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Aug 26, 2012

Rev. Melchisedech Howler
Sep 5, 2006

You know. Leather.
well atleast i can say i gently caress alot more chicks then you

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Wait, does the robot have a Death Star superlaser that generates fire rocks for eyes? That is SO RIDICULOUS COOL

It's more like a wide-angle blast: less damage, but he wasn't after damage, just making the rocks flame up. And given it takes a lot to make random rocks go flaming for any length of time, the effect on flesh-or ANYTHING for that matter-with a full force beam...would likely be similar to the 'real' Superlaser. Or it'll have enough power to pierce through targets.

quote:

I hope he doesn't time it right.

If he does he's left himself open to a kick in the teeth(Read Robo's lines again)-so I hope he DOES.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Aug 26, 2012

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Remember: LazyB hates Star Wars.

Also remember: people in this thread poked fun at him for specifying "eye vision" - as though an eye could do anything else. Well, it just did - eye laser.

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



If I were Garry and I were in a fight I would never turn the eye beams off and just run around in circles

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Maybe it's physically or emotionally(Three-eyes just pissed him right off) draining.

ThatPazuzu
Sep 8, 2011

I'm so depressed, I can't even blink.
I hate to retread this since the thread just moved on, but I asked Lazerboy about his use of homophobic slurs and he responded.

Lazerbot posted:

i understand what your saying but there actually not hate words at all, its like calling a fat guy fat, he knows he fat yet that word bothers him, its actually a word describbing what they are, like fag or gay, not affencive at all actually, its not that different then calling someone dumb or blind or something else, if your actually a gay person and you know you are then why does pointing it out bother you, if it bothers that person then its them not the word, you see the word it self is only pointing it out and is harmless, if the person, the gay person doesn't like a word is that really my fault? i mean people find good or bad meanings to the words we say, thats all, there is freedom of speech here that is slowly being lost because people are finding new words to cry about

The short version is he subscribes to the South Park theory. At least he means no harm in it.

Calico Heart posted:

If I were Garry and I were in a fight I would never turn the eye beams off and just run around in circles

Fighting like a SNES boss is oddly appropriate for this comic.

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012

Mo Tzu posted:


the cool guys; Lazerbot

There's something really hilarious to me about the few occasions in which he uses other fonts.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

nerdbot posted:

There's something really hilarious to me about the few occasions in which he uses other fonts.

When you're as cool as Cheetoman you can talk in italics.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
Wait a second. WAITASECOND.

That's a robot. That shoots lasers from its eyes.

A laser robot.

...

:aaaaa:

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

DrSunshine posted:

Wait a second. WAITASECOND.

That's a robot. That shoots lasers from its eyes.

A laser robot.

...

:aaaaa:
And here we thought there weren't any self-insert characters. Lazerbot is Garry and his brother Embergram is Demaro. This past chapter's worth of fighting is really just a fight between LB and his brother.

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008

ThatPazuzu posted:

I hate to retread this since the thread just moved on, but I asked Lazerboy about his use of homophobic slurs and he responded.

Man, i just lost some major respect for Lazerbot there. That poo poo just ain't cool. :(

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.

Technique posted:

Man, i just lost some major respect for Lazerbot there. That poo poo just ain't cool. :(

Dito, parroting Southpark is really dumb

PhysicsFrenzy
May 30, 2011

this, too, is physics

Technique posted:

Man, i just lost some major respect for Lazerbot there. That poo poo just ain't cool. :(

nthing this. At least he doesn't mean any harm. :gbsmith:

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

skipThings posted:

Dito [sic], parroting Southpark [sic] is really dumb

To be honest I doubt he's even seen the episode in question, which just reinforces South Park's point. I think it's really interesting the way the kids go all the way to the top, to the people who edit the American English dictionaries, and appeal for its added definition.

The difference between this and the guy from Clerks II trying to "bring 'porch monkey' back" is that he's literally the only guy doing it; however the use of the word "fag" in a (presumably) non-homosexual context is very widespread among America's youth.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

The difference between this and the guy from Clerks II trying to "bring 'porch monkey' back" is that he's literally the only guy doing it; however the use of the word "fag" in a (presumably) non-homosexual context is very widespread among America's youth.

Yes, because of an entrenched culture of homophobia in America.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

I can't decide who's going to win this fight. It seems like Demaro has Garry outmatched, but can't ever quite finish him off. I like Garry, I hope he makes it. :ohdear:

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



ThatPazuzu posted:

The short version is he subscribes to the South Park theory. At least he means no harm in it.

You were expecting what, exactly?

In a way, he's even right. There is this typically American/identity-politics tendency to be completely obsessed with the specific form that discourse takes while practically ignoring the real, underlying structures that cause these sentiments to exist in the first place. Successfully turning 'fag' into a taboo word isn't going to make homophobia go away.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

Phlegmish posted:

You were expecting what, exactly?

In a way, he's even right. There is this typically American/identity-politics tendency to be completely obsessed with the specific form that discourse takes while practically ignoring the real, underlying structures that cause these sentiments to exist in the first place. Successfully turning 'fag' into a taboo word isn't going to make homophobia go away.
There's no "right" about anything Lazerbot's saying regarding this whole gay insult thing. It'd be one thing if he was using fag as a replacement for rear end in a top hat/idiot, but he was insulting the hacker by saying that all he does is watch gay porn. He's using being actually "gay" gay as a bad thing, like being fat or stupid. He can't exactly hide behind the "oh, it doesn't actually mean being homosexual" when that's exactly the form he's using.

I mean, I know what's like to be a young teenager and refer to eeeeeeverything as gay, but there's a point when you have to self-censor yourself and grow up.

Raar_Im_A_Dinosaur
Mar 16, 2006

GOOD LUCK!!
Look guys, lazerbot writes a loving web comic about video game characters and, while charming, does not know the meaning of grammar. Do you expect him to be some kind of arbiter of social justice?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



JazzFlight posted:

There's no "right" about anything Lazerbot's saying regarding this whole gay insult thing. It'd be one thing if he was using fag as a replacement for rear end in a top hat/idiot, but he was insulting the hacker by saying that all he does is watch gay porn. He's using being actually "gay" gay as a bad thing, like being fat or stupid. He can't exactly hide behind the "oh, it doesn't actually mean being homosexual" when that's exactly the form he's using.

Right, I can agree that it's a bad word to use, especially in that way.

It just baffles me that so many people here apparently expect lazerbot to have the same (semi-)intellectual, upper-middle class, humanities-student sensibilities that they do. Have we been reading the same comic? He is never going to live up to your online social justice standards.

Raiad
Feb 1, 2005

Without the law, there wouldn't be lawyers.


See, we're all talking about the latent homophobia of this comic series, but just wait until it's revealed that the word "human being" was one of the deadly words before every moronic child started using it excessively and it lost most of its meaning. And that's why boss troll uses the words like the should only be used sparingly.

Edit: Not that it doesn't have a distinct harm in the real world, of course.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Phlegmish posted:

Right, I can agree that it's a bad word to use, especially in that way.

It just baffles me that so many people here apparently expect lazerbot to have the same (semi-)intellectual, upper-middle class, humanities-student sensibilities that they do. Have we been reading the same comic? He is never going to live up to your online social justice standards.

I don't really give a poo poo that a teenager with a webcomic is using hateful language, I just took offense at Jedi Knight Luigi's implication that South Park totally has a point.

Raar_Im_A_Dinosaur
Mar 16, 2006

GOOD LUCK!!

Lurdiak posted:

I don't really give a poo poo that a teenager with a webcomic is using hateful language, I just took offense at Jedi Knight Luigi's implication that South Park totally has a point.

This seems like an appropriate time to ask... "U mad?"

Cardinal Ximenez
Oct 25, 2008

"You could call it heroic responsibility, maybe," Harry Potter said. "Not like the usual sort. It means that whatever happens, no matter what, it's always your fault."
I think one of the interesting things about the comic is its (intentional or not) examination of the culture of machismo. The trolls, troll slayers, and neutrals all live in this highly status-conscious society, where deviation from the arbitrary social norm and accusations thereof usually lead to "villains". This is somewhat alien to the upper-class westerners that hold hegemony over the Something Awful sub-subculture, but it is certainly still alive and well across the globe (e.g. the poor & rural US, most Islamic cultures).

Lazerbot is probably involved with one of these thar cultures, and as such, he paints the cross-fictional landscape with its values. He is, of course, somewhat critical of the asinine conflict and cycles of violence this creates (the entire point of traditional comedy is undermining norms), but remains enthralled by the notion of heteronormativity.

That said, I find it hard to be that offended. It is like a black person calling me (a white male) a "cracker". Sure, it might be hateful, but it lacks the institutional threat behind it to be relevant. Similarly, since lazerbot is clearly in a culture that is considered low status by internet society in general, I don't feel particularly discriminated against. If he was articulate, then he might be dangerous.

Interestingly, I've seen some of the trans- E/N thread regulars with TGT avatars. Does anyone on that end have any thoughts?

cisneros
Apr 18, 2006
I think it's the perfect time to make another thread.

gandhichan
Dec 25, 2009

There's a new terror of the skies, bitches.
AND HER HAIR IS PINK.
The homophobia is a weird thing to apologize for especially if you're reading the comic ironically. Like, it's what you'd probably expect from the author of an absurd (but charming!) Sonic webcomic but it's still a pretty valid reason to dislike or lose respect for the guy.

cisneros posted:

I think it's the perfect time to make another thread.

This is probably true.

nerdbot
Mar 16, 2012

There's just a very innocent approach to everything Lazerbot does.

Those anime scenes where a character thinks his fellow villains have gone too fare are COOL! -> but all the trolls are already brutal murderers. What's worse than that? -> WAIT, I KNOW! The other trolls are raping corpses!

That same sort of principle seems to be in effect here. His attitude disappoints me here but I know dumbass will learn, because he doesn't seem to mean it in an outwardly hateful way.

But as much as I hate to be That Guy, we probably shouldn't have a huge derail about this. This is the last I'll say about the subject!

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Redeadagain
Jan 10, 2009


this shall be
humorous
Y'all need to chill y'all's pills for real. Too much sensitivity up in this trollin'.

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