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double post! [edit] Have this to make up for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDL-B3RfNdc Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Aug 31, 2012 |
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farraday posted:Lighting certainly but there appears to be some sort of filter too. If you watch the top video there are clearly two different things spliced together. You can watch the paint color appear white in one and then beige following a cut. That's interesting, as the cameraman in the first video was supposedly kidnapped on August 3rd.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPJB4fG7jk I think it's possible they are using old footage as a cut away, maybe not realising its him. Either that or the footage isn't the correct date, which would show the VP's reappearence is possibly fake.
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Aug 31, 2012 22:13
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Brown Moses posted:That's interesting, as the cameraman in the first video was supposedly kidnapped on August 3rd. They obviously reuse the video a few times in the footage shown in the report, but is there any particular reason to think only one video camera was allowed in the room? Edit// I' think I'm a bit at sea. What are you trying to show? farraday fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 31, 2012 |
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Aug 31, 2012 22:21
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Are the videos with the Iranian official from the NAM summit they just wrapped up? I recognize the room as one that was used quite a bit for conferences. They made sure there were lots of pictures and videos plastered on the internet of the UN General Secretary being there.
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Aug 31, 2012 22:22
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I spot at least three cameramen in the video, although never in shot with the VP and other officials.
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Aug 31, 2012 22:24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkJ6hqTABA Interesting video of what may be brand mint condition still in the packaging MANPADS. Even if they aren't it looks like someone got a new supply of weaponry.
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Aug 31, 2012 22:27
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farraday posted:Edit// I' think I'm a bit at sea. What are you trying to show? Well, one of these two possible theories: - The footage of the VP reappearing and meeting the Iranian official is old as the cameraman is currently kidnapped. - The footage of the VP is real, but it's cut with footage of the cameraman who is missing. Plus anything else that might come up. Highspeeddub posted:Are the videos with the Iranian official from the NAM summit they just wrapped up? I recognize the room as one that was used quite a bit for conferences. They made sure there were lots of pictures and videos plastered on the internet of the UN General Secretary being there. Supposedly it's the VP reappearing after rumours of his defection. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 31, 2012 |
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Aug 31, 2012 22:29
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farraday posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkJ6hqTABA I've sent that to an expert for their opinion on what they are. The FSA are doing well for weapons recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADBqZbNjU8I
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Aug 31, 2012 22:32
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Brown Moses posted:I've sent that to an expert for their opinion on what they are. The FSA are doing well for weapons recently Well the video claims to be from Abu Kamal on the Syria/Iraqi border. I think they're claiming it was looted but they could be smuggled/bought instead. Deir ez Zor province has really exploded, possibly Assad pulled too many troops west. We've seen videos and reports of border posts taken, as well as combat and bombing of the cities. Assad has too many fires and not enough dirt barrels to drop on them. New video of rebels claiming to be taking over a Sabhiha base in Homs. ertainly appears to be lived in with weapons scattered around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le3CArtEV0w One question for arabic speakers, what's the title because google translate is giving me "Homs battalion acne you take action to lift the siege" and frankly that's a slur on the admittedly young men who make up the rebel ranks. farraday fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 31, 2012 |
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Aug 31, 2012 22:41
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Sorry if this is a repost it seems goverment has started bombing bread lines? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/human-rights-watch/syria-government-attackin_b_1843391.html?utm_hp_ref=world http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YMfE9_q6kvw It seems pretty desperate to me, and a good way to turn the population against you. The only thing I can possibly think of is they would try to pin it on the FSA.
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Aug 31, 2012 23:54
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Paradoxus posted:Sorry if this is a repost it seems goverment has started bombing bread lines? That's a pretty orthodox counter-insurgency tactic (i.e. inflicting atrocities and generally making life difficult against civilians in neighborhoods that are friendly to the insurgents) because forcing civilians to become refugees or otherwise cowing them by terrorizing them and denying them access to food will ultimately gently caress over the FSA. Chances are the population already is hostile to the regime so by killing them they aren't exactly making new enemies. Winning 'hearts and minds' isn't nearly as important or effective in winning against an insurgency compared to massacre and intimidation.
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i poo poo trains posted:That's a pretty orthodox counter-insurgency tactic (i.e. inflicting atrocities and generally making life difficult against civilians in neighborhoods that are friendly to the insurgents) because forcing civilians to become refugees or otherwise cowing them by terrorizing them and denying them access to food will ultimately gently caress over the FSA. Chances are the population already is hostile to the regime so by killing them they aren't exactly making new enemies. Winning 'hearts and minds' isn't nearly as important or effective in winning against an insurgency compared to massacre and intimidation. It's the kind of thinking that made the general bombing of cities such a great strategic success in the second world war.
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More video from Abu Kamal. Dead body warning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cv_t0mP9sk&feature=player_detailpage#t=71s The time stamp here (1:11) provides a fairly clear shot of a weapon, but I can't quite recognize it. Any thoughts? Rebels are getting increasingly bold, and increasingly successful, at hitting military targets. Munin posted:It's the kind of thinking that made the general bombing of cities such a great strategic success in the second world war. Snerk. In any case driving people into refugee camps in countries willing to provide tacit support only breeds rebel recruiting and recover hotbeds in effective safezones. The idea dictatorial regimes don't have to worry about legitimacy is entirely wrongheaded. Edit// And a completely unambiguous SA-7 from Abu Kamal. Note this is in the sunlight so depending on if the raid on the air defense facility happened this night or the previous night, it may or may not be loot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJeEkq5ho8o&feature=plcp I want to note that it could be the exact same weapon highlighted in an earlier (Aug 15) video by BM. Also, BM, The telegraph is tired of you commenting on the Guardian. consider this a warning shot. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9512719/Syrian-regime-deploys-deadly-new-weapons-on-rebels.html farraday fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Sep 1, 2012 |
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Sep 1, 2012 00:23
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Munin posted:It's the kind of thinking that made the general bombing of cities such a great strategic success in the second world war. Yes, because Strategic Air Command was fighting an insurgency and was occupying Germany at the time. If you want an actual example of successful use of these tactics look at the Chechen Wars. Or the Dinka in Sudan. It's not random bombing and it's not random shootings, it's specifically designed to make life as loving miserable as possible, and if it's done with enough intensity and brutality it sucks the life out of the insurgency. farraday posted:Snerk. In any case driving people into refugee camps in countries willing to provide tacit support only breeds rebel recruiting and recover hotbeds in effective safezones.
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i poo poo trains posted:Yes, because Strategic Air Command was fighting an insurgency and was occupying Germany at the time. If you want an actual example of successful use of these tactics look at the Chechen Wars. Yeah those Chechens really learned their lesson, they haven't made a massive strike against Russia for years now.
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i poo poo trains posted:Yes, because Strategic Air Command was fighting an insurgency and was occupying Germany at the time. If you want an actual example of successful use of these tactics look at the Chechen Wars. Or the Dinka in Sudan. It's not random bombing and it's not random shootings, it's specifically designed to make life as loving miserable as possible, and if it's done with enough intensity and brutality it sucks the life out of the insurgency. Mans posted:Yeah those Chechens really learned their lesson, they haven't made a massive strike against Russia for years now. Totally the same. The need to geographically limit the armed opposition is inherent even in the options you choose. A similar example from Ceylon can be considered constructive. It allows you to contain the problem, control information, and destroy your enemies. Obviously that's the theory, as Mans points out with the Chechens destruction is not guaranteed. Blowing the gently caress out of Homs in a communication black out is slightly different from having to attack almost every single city in your country simultaneously. Your rather stupid comment about not showing the military blowing people up on the nightly news somewhat loses it's punch when you realize the nightly news will be interrupted by nightly explosions. The large group of centerists, as we might term them, who really would just have stability and security, will not be impressed by the governments ability to make that happen while they're pulling bodies out of the rubble and navigating a constant array of shifting checkpoints to buy neccesities at rapidly escalating prices. Not only that, but the idea blowing up Aleppo will prevent the rebels from getting food, the rebels who control the entire loving country side where there was a bumper food crop, is loving hilarious. I realize you hate CJ Chivers for being a soft news war crimes apologist or whatever facts you made up about him, but you might want to read this. http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/in-the-syrian-fight-rebels-prospects-can-change-with-the-weather/ You don't know what the gently caress you're talking about, again.
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On the Syrian Revolution page on Facebook there is a posting of the obituary of a Christian woman mourning her as a martyr of the revolution. You would think that would be fairly uncontroversial, but no; there is a completely hysterical debate about how Christians can't be called "martyrs" because they are not Muslim, and how Christians are heretics to God because they believe in the polytheistic trinity and are destined for hell. It was kind of unbelievable to me when I read through it. https://m.facebook.com/home.php?ref...&__user=2516005 
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az jan jananam posted:It was kind of unbelievable to me when I read through it. I thought it was taken as a known how badly fractured and at-odds various rebel groups were. Maybe if Assad came down on them a bit harder they would start putting aside their "petty" differences?
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az jan jananam posted:On the Syrian Revolution page on Facebook there is a posting of the obituary of a Christian woman mourning her as a martyr of the revolution. You would think that would be fairly uncontroversial, but no; there is a completely hysterical debate about how Christians can't be called "martyrs" because they are not Muslim, and how Christians are heretics to God because they believe in the polytheistic trinity and are destined for hell. It was kind of unbelievable to me when I read through it. That is very petty. I am reminded by the Iranian poster where they recognize people who have given their life for Iran (during the Iraq-Iran war) from the various minorities (ethnic or religious). Not to contrast obviously, Arab media also called non-muslims martyrs before, going back to the 70s, the fact that there is a growing minority of radicals right now pushing against that is troubling.
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Sep 1, 2012 11:24
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farraday posted:More video from Abu Kamal. Thanks for these, had loads of people send me videos overnight from Al Bukamel, I've added them all to my SA-7 post, and CJ Chivers did a piece on it too. Interesting to read the Telegraph piece, looks like my blog post on it is slowly being knocked off the top of the Google search results *cough*
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Regarding christian martyrs: The Quran states explicitly that Islam is good and anything else is bad. The Quran also defines what Islam actually is. The Quran also states there are the good kind of believers among the jews and christians. When people remember the first part but forget the second (using their own definition of islam instead) and the third (thinking all christians are the same), opinions can get petty indeed.
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Sep 1, 2012 11:51
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The FSA in Al Bukamal really captured a massive amount of ammo from that air base they attacked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJ_iqxNsio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8m9cEdw5BE Lots of grenades, RPG rockets and launcher, 23mm ammo, and even a few SA-7s.
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farraday posted:More video from Abu Kamal. The muzzle makes me think it's a PTRS-41.
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GodlessCommie posted:The muzzle makes me think it's a PTRS-41. Barrel is too short and Handel too big I think for any kind of weapon to be fired while prone. Looking at it again it actually reminds me of a flame thrower nozzle.
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This footage appears to be taken from the CryEngine 4 for Far Cry:Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs-kj0Uh4Wo
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Caro was on an Australian radio station last Wednesday talking about his Kickstarter to get to Syria: http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/daily/hack_wed_2012_08_29.mp3 (or if that doesn't work it's the Wednesday 29th of August podcast on this page.) It starts at 18:50 into the podcast.
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farraday posted:Good point, but you see all insurgencies are the same. A country that is suppressing a tiny minority in a geographically limited area is the same as one fighting a wide ranging civil war over roughly the entire breadth of your country. In a crucial way all insurgencies are the same. They all draw their strength from their civilian population, and to be separated or alienated one way or another from the civilians they represent is a death sentence. This is usually accomplished by, again, killing, displacing or otherwise intimidating their supporting civilians (by, for example, blowing up bread lines). These exact tactics were used successfully in Chechnya in the same way they were used successfully in northern England in 1070. This is an extremely orthodox strategy and I don't understand why you're so incredulous. As an aside, I don't believe "blowing Aleppo will prevent rebels from getting food" because that is loving ridiculous and I never said or implied that. Blowing bread lines and inflicting other atrocities will, however, intimidate the civilians and maybe even force them into fleeing the city if it's done enough to where it's a substantial threat, leaving rebels in the city high and dry. No amount of rain or food in the countryside is going to change that.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Caro was on an Australian radio station last Wednesday talking about his Kickstarter to get to Syria: http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/daily/hack_wed_2012_08_29.mp3 (or if that doesn't work it's the Wednesday 29th of August podcast on this page.) It starts at 18:50 into the podcast. That's Matthew Van Dyke, Caro is Kevin Dawes.
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Brown Moses posted:That's Matthew Van Dyke, Caro is Kevin Dawes. Whatever happened to Caro?
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Crackpipe posted:Whatever happened to Caro?
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Hmm I thought his story didn't sound like Caros... I was just too lazy to check. Anyway he sounds pretty sane and I think I even agree with him to an extent. Caro never gave the impression he was sane on any level.
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I'm in regular contact with him, he really wants to go to Syria, and is trying to raise cash for it.
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i poo poo trains posted:In a crucial way all insurgencies are the same. They all draw their strength from their civilian population, and to be separated or alienated one way or another from the civilians they represent is a death sentence. This is usually accomplished by, again, killing, displacing or otherwise intimidating their supporting civilians (by, for example, blowing up bread lines). These exact tactics were used successfully in Chechnya in the same way they were used successfully in northern England in 1070. This is an extremely orthodox strategy and I don't understand why you're so incredulous. Once again you can't seem to grasp the difference between dealing with a regionally isolated minority and dealing with a country wide revolution. You also persistently refuse to offer any thing to credential you sweeping statements in even the slightest fashion. Between this and your magic resupply fantasies I'm going to go ahead and assume you're a 14 year old trying to play a real life RTS. You literally think that the Syrian army can drive the population of Aleppo out entirely and this will crucially weaken the rebels by cutting their ties to the locals? Because if the rebels can't hide among the civilians they'll be susceptible to the army? Yes, it's clear that once the population leaves the rebels will no longer be able to hide and will be forced into a protracted street battle. Oh wait, it's straight up warfare already because all insurgencies aren't the same and your stupid generic response is not a thing that exists. "Cut them off from their supporting population" is a generic platitude that doesn't address a the situation on the ground, and your "this is a thing that is currently possible, look at these absurdly worthless comparisons" is stupid beyond belief. Honestly, you're just dumb and your poo poo posts have long since stopped being amusing. farraday fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Sep 1, 2012 |
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I've updated my barrel bomb post again with more videos, with this one in particular catching my attention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG706nBomkY It's the third one of these I've seen, and this video shows a lot more detail, including Russian text on the device.
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The blue is trying to destroy the green and the red. The RAND type analysis really is just farcical.
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I didn't realize "death by Powerpoint" was an approved COIN strategy, but hey, if the enemy can't fight because they've long since died of boredom, then whatever.
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How the hell is that picture useful to anyone? "There's all these entities involved in Afghanistan and they are interconnected in a myriad ways and I don't loving know, drop some bombs or bribe some dudes or something. Any questions?"
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I guess I see why the US is having trouble comprehending the situation in Afghanistan.
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suboptimal posted:I didn't realize "death by Powerpoint" was an approved COIN strategy, but hey, if the enemy can't fight because they've long since died of boredom, then whatever. Shock and awe clearly.
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