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cbirdsong
Sep 8, 2004

Commodore of the Apocalypso
Lipstick Apathy
If anyone is looking for it, Cards Against Humanity is back in stock, and the second expansion is out: http://www.cardsagainsthumanity.com

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McNerd
Aug 28, 2007

Countblanc posted:

Arkham Horror isn't a game I would recommend to anyone as their first heavier board game, to be blunt. Not to say you're completely up poo poo creek without a paddle, but even after two years of playing games like Caylus, Stone Age, and Dominion, I still had trouble cracking that shell by myself. When I had someone teach it to me it made a lot more sense, but even then it was clear a lot of other people at the table who had no real board game experience were pretty baffled, and everyone (including the teacher) hosed up rules once we actually started playing. What made you decide to go for AH?

I hear a lot of people say this but honestly, I think there's a big group of boardgame newbies who are excited about fiddling with a bunch of pieces and poring over a really crazy rulebook and so forth, and it's something new and exciting. That's certainly what I was like, and to be honest I sort of miss it. (I still like Space Hulk though, so there's that, if I only had someone to play it with.)

After a while the novelty wears off, and you develop a taste for certain mechanics, and you get really picky about the blend of luck and skill and so forth. And you'd rather just play the game than puzzle/argue eternally over rules or spend an hour on setup.

But if you're a newbie and you've seen a picture of the Arkham Horror board and you and your friends are all excited rather than intimidated or otherwise turned off, then I think you probably will have fun with it. Live it up man.

McNerd fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Aug 31, 2012

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Funkmaster General posted:

I haven't played a board game in years and the most complicated I've ever done (in physical format, anyway) is, like, Monopoly.

I just came home with Arkham Horror. Am I out of my mind, or what?
Eh, you'll have fun now and sell it later. Also, go HERE, download the cheats sheets, print them out. They're excellent (this goes for other games as well, I have a giant stack of B&W printouts of these and use them to learn the rules.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

McNerd posted:

I hear a lot of people say this but honestly, I think there's a big group of boardgame newbies who are excited about fiddling with a bunch of pieces and poring over a really crazy rulebook and so forth, and it's something new and exciting. That's certainly what I was like, and to be honest I sort of miss it. (I still like Space Hulk though, so there's that, if I only had someone to play it with.)


That's true. I can't deny that I felt the same way when I bought the WoW Board Game (and now it's something of a running joke, so win-win).

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

Countblanc posted:

That's true. I can't deny that I felt the same way when I bought the WoW Board Game (and now it's something of a running joke, so win-win).

People will always fondly remember their first forays into "non-traditional" board gaming, even when the game itself may not have been that good. It was something new and exciting, and you probably don't realize that there are other games that do the same thing better.

That feeling that you're "discovering" something new is awesome, and can sometimes go away too quickly :(.

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





McNerd posted:

I hear a lot of people say this but honestly, I think there's a big group of boardgame newbies who are excited about fiddling with a bunch of pieces and poring over a really crazy rulebook and so forth, and it's something new and exciting. That's certainly what I was like, and to be honest I sort of miss it. (I still like Space Hulk though, so there's that, if I only had someone to play it with.)

After a while the novelty wears off, and you develop a taste for certain mechanics, and you get really picky about the blend of luck and skill and so forth. And you'd rather just play the game than puzzle/argue eternally over rules or spend an hour on setup.

But if you're a newbie and you've seen a picture of the Arkham Horror board and you and your friends are all excited rather than intimidated or otherwise turned off, then I think you probably will have fun with it. Live it up man.

This is what happened to me, I loved the idea of a huge sprawling and complicated board game with a bunch of pieces and things to track. But after I played around with games like that I found that I enjoyed simpler games that moved faster and had less rules/pieces cards.

Edit: Now Arkham Horror sits in the game closet untouched for over a year, along with two expansions that I received as gifts that have only been opened and never played.

Cactrot fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 31, 2012

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.
I played Ticket to Ride over lunch today(wasn't able to finish because of time) but it seems pretty fun and reasonably deep with enough of a random element(like Carcassone) to keep the gameplay fluid. I also like the psuedo poker feel of having cards face up to draw from so you can see what your opponents are going for. Bonus points for having the ability to dick over other players(sometimes unintentionally).

A+ would play again and will probably buy it at some point.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Funkmaster General posted:

I'm not worried about myself (I've already read up on the rules and understand the meat of it), but since I'm not usually into board games, I don't have a "group" to play with, meaning that I'm going to have to convince my friends to hop in with even less of an idea what's going on, and that's what concerns me.

If you do this, I strongly suggest you know the rules 100% (or, really maybe 95% is the best anyone can do with AH). If that means playing a solo game with you as five different investigators, you might want to consider it.

wafflesnsegways
Jan 12, 2008
And that's why I was forced to surgically attach your hands to your face.
Glory to Rome Black Box update - CGF employees have now entered the "blaming each other" stage.

quote:

All of Ed's promises were made knowing that we had a Mandarin-speaking import-export specialist, who then summarily quit. I know that I keep mentioning this, but I doubt that many of you have really grasped the enormous significance of this one critical fact.

Yes, it would've been ambitious, even for an import-export professional who could speak directly with the factory manager in Chinese. And she decided, perhaps rightly, that she didn't want to do it on a mostly volunteer basis, and then decided that she didn't even want to talk to me for a few minutes to give me some guidance going forward - leaving me to pretty much figure it out from scratch.

And on the issues with the card stock:

quote:

IIRC (and my memory of it is not crystal clear), it started back last fall with a long conversation between the factory director and Heiko at the factory itself in Shanghai (Ed, myself, CurtC and another guy was there as well). H really loved the feel of this (more expensive) card stock, but the factory director discouraged using it with the colors we chose - for vagueish QC reasons. Essentially, Heiko believed that his creative vision would best be fulfilled with this card stock. Again, IIRC, Heiko's vision on this won the day (after much discussion), and the factory achieved the look and feel he wanted, but there are apparently some issues with that card stock.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Cactrot posted:

Edit: Now Arkham Horror sits in the game closet untouched for over a year, along with two expansions that I received as gifts that have only been opened and never played.

I bought both WoW Boardgame expansions and never used either once, and somehow still convinced myself to buy Descent (which managed to get exactly one [1] play through before being banished to the coat closet shelf).

McNerd
Aug 28, 2007

Cactrot posted:

This is what happened to me, I loved the idea of a huge sprawling and complicated board game with a bunch of pieces and things to track. But after I played around with games like that I found that I enjoyed simpler games that moved faster and had less rules/pieces cards.

Edit: Now Arkham Horror sits in the game closet untouched for over a year, along with two expansions that I received as gifts that have only been opened and never played.

Getting ill-advised gift expansions from friends is one thing, i guess you'll have to make your own guesses as to how likely that is.

But as far as the original game being untouched for a year...honestly even if you played it a few times, it's still a good bargain. Think about paying 60 bucks for a game and only playing it twice for two hours with three friends. That's cheaper than taking those three friends to two 2-hour movies. (Though whether you think your friends will buy the next game/movie ticket, again, you know better than I do.) Of course you usually hope to do better than that, but even if not, it's a pretty cheap hobby that way.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

McNerd posted:

Getting ill-advised gift expansions from friends is one thing, i guess you'll have to make your own guesses as to how likely that is.

But as far as the original game being untouched for a year...honestly even if you played it a few times, it's still a good bargain. Think about paying 60 bucks for a game and only playing it twice for two hours with three friends. That's cheaper than taking those three friends to two 2-hour movies. (Though whether you think your friends will buy the next game/movie ticket, again, you know better than I do.) Of course you usually hope to do better than that, but even if not, it's a pretty cheap hobby that way.

I would argue that those are overpriced, not that the game is a good bargin.

McNerd
Aug 28, 2007

Countblanc posted:

I would argue that those are overpriced, not that the game is a good bargin.

Five or six movies then? Ten? Ten's still more than a reasonable number of plays for your first game that you eventually get sick of, if you do.

Edit: vvv Yeah I know; I didn't mean to argue. I just figured this whole perspective on boardgame value per dollar is something I didn't think of for a long time, so our newbie friend might find it helpful.

McNerd fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Aug 31, 2012

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





McNerd posted:

Getting ill-advised gift expansions from friends is one thing, i guess you'll have to make your own guesses as to how likely that is.

But as far as the original game being untouched for a year...honestly even if you played it a few times, it's still a good bargain. Think about paying 60 bucks for a game and only playing it twice for two hours with three friends. That's cheaper than taking those three friends to two 2-hour movies. (Though whether you think your friends will buy the next game/movie ticket, again, you know better than I do.) Of course you usually hope to do better than that, but even if not, it's a pretty cheap hobby that way.

I wasn't making a judgement on it's value at all, just that it was something I was really into until I realized that I didn't actually enjoy that type of game as much as I thought I would. It takes a long time to set up, requires scheduling large blocks of time for multiple people and is just generally hard (for me) to get people playing and enjoying it. On the other hand I ended up finding that games with lighter rules, fewer pieces and quicker play like 7 Wonders, King of Tokyo and the D&D Boardgames ended up being more enjoyable and a better fit for what I really wanted out of a game.

Alberta Cross
Sep 15, 2006
Fortis Et Liber
Someone at work brought in Cthulu Flux. We played three hands, two of which I won and the third was an un-win. That game is like 90% luck, but the guys at work put enough smack talk into the game that it makes it worthwhile to play every night and it beats the hell out of crib...

Poopy Palpy
Jun 10, 2000

Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

Alberta Cross posted:

Someone at work brought in Cthulu Flux. We played three hands, two of which I won and the third was an un-win. That game is like 90% luck, but the guys at work put enough smack talk into the game that it makes it worthwhile to play every night and it beats the hell out of crib...

100% is like 90% in that they are both numbers, yes.

DrSalt
Jun 27, 2010

Lawen posted:



Anyone tried the iOS Companion app? Worth 2 bucks?


Someone in the group I play with got it and it really does seem to be worth it. While it does make scoring a bit quicker that isn't its main draw. It keeps stats for all the players and wonders across games. We've been watching our average scores climb the more we play. Plus is confirms that I've never once ended a game without negative military points.

Karnegal
Dec 24, 2005

Is it... safe?

PerniciousKnid posted:

I wouldn't say Vasel is a superb reviewer or anything but I have yet to find anyone better. He describes the game and components and what he did or didn't like about it, without mumbling or shaking the camera too much. The only other video reviews that don't annoy the hell out of me are SU&SD, but they're more like entertainers than reviewers.

I liked drakenstrike's stuff way better when he was doing it. And even undeadviking is more palatable than Vasel. I will admit to thinking that Vasal is not very good at playing games, which I think makes his recommendations a bit off.

bobvonunheil
Mar 18, 2007

Board games and tea
Just played a game of Descent 2nd Edition, the first mission, with 3 players (1 overlord 2 heroes).

I got a few lucky hits in on the heroes at the start of the game while they whittled the ettin down to only 3 health, and ended up in a situation where both of them were knocked out.

After that, it essentially amounted to Whack-a-Mole, where the heroes would get knocked down, they would spend their entire turns standing back up, then I would knock them down again, becoming more powerful from drawing Overlord cards as each turn passed.

I'm worried that future games will go more or less like that one did. Can you guys think of any common rules that I might have missed here, or if you've had the same sort of experience at any stage when playing the game? It's just fairly demeaning to have the heroes lose their entire turns to recovering only to be beaten back down again immediately. Essentially they'd lost the game when they were all knocked out in the same turn, however, as there's not really any coming back from that.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

bobvonunheil posted:

Just played a game of Descent 2nd Edition, the first mission, with 3 players (1 overlord 2 heroes).

I got a few lucky hits in on the heroes at the start of the game while they whittled the ettin down to only 3 health, and ended up in a situation where both of them were knocked out.

After that, it essentially amounted to Whack-a-Mole, where the heroes would get knocked down, they would spend their entire turns standing back up, then I would knock them down again, becoming more powerful from drawing Overlord cards as each turn passed.

I'm worried that future games will go more or less like that one did. Can you guys think of any common rules that I might have missed here, or if you've had the same sort of experience at any stage when playing the game? It's just fairly demeaning to have the heroes lose their entire turns to recovering only to be beaten back down again immediately. Essentially they'd lost the game when they were all knocked out in the same turn, however, as there's not really any coming back from that.
It's about right. If all heroes are down and you can keep them that way, you basically won the game. If some of them are still standing, it's much better to Revive an unconscious hero as you only waste 1 action and the revived hero has both.

Seriously, it's not a problem because of how much the Overlord's weaker than in 1st ed.

djfooboo
Oct 16, 2004




Karnegal posted:

I liked drakenstrike's stuff way better when he was doing it.

He made a video implying he is coming back! He is easily my favorite serious reviewer. SUaSD gets my fun vote.

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

SUaSD is funny and serious at the same time while Drakkenstrike is just another lovely unboxer who reads rules at you.

Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT

Sherrard posted:

SUaSD is funny and serious at the same time while Drakkenstrike is just another lovely unboxer who reads rules at you.

Drakkenstrike spends half his video talking about how he sleeved all his cards and don't they look so nice, and this game is one of his all-time favorites *sells it in an auction 2 months later*

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
The best reviewer is marcowargamer, sorry folks.

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Panzeh posted:

The best reviewer is marcowargamer, sorry folks.

I think you meant calandale? :colbert:

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Sherrard posted:

I think you meant calandale? :colbert:

The pipe's amazing, but I think i may have seen enough EU for my lifetime.

Tann
Apr 1, 2009

I was reading about the new dominion expansion on BGG and came across this gem-

quote:

OK, just curious, how would people rank the Dominion sets? I guess I'm not a purist, mine would go:
1. Prosperity
2. Seaside
3. Cornucopia
4. Intrigue
5. Hinterlands
6. Original (maybe this should get bonus points for starting it all, though!)
7. Alchemy (which I rank last, at least compared to other Dominion sets of superior quality, but which would rank moderately compared with other board games of excellent quality, and would even rank excellent compared to board games of moderate quality)

Poopy Palpy
Jun 10, 2000

Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

Tann posted:

I was reading about the new dominion expansion on BGG and came across this gem-

It's a reference to the Hinterlands blurb. And it's not wrong: Apprentice is an awesome enough card to salvage the rest of Alchemy.

Tann
Apr 1, 2009

Poopy Palpy posted:

It's a reference to the Hinterlands blurb. And it's not wrong: Apprentice is an awesome enough card to salvage the rest of Alchemy.

Ahh, just read it. That makes more sense now.

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
Calandale is hilarious... I wish I could just watch his day to day life. I just can't picture that guy doing anything other than playing boardgames by himself.

nelson
Apr 12, 2009
College Slice

bobvonunheil posted:

Can you guys think of any common rules that I might have missed here, or if you've had the same sort of experience at any stage when playing the game? It's just fairly demeaning to have the heroes lose their entire turns to recovering only to be beaten back down again immediately.

The overlord monsters only get 1 attack per turn, unlike heroes who can use both of their actions to attack. Also make sure you're using the I stat cards and not the II stat cards.

Karnegal
Dec 24, 2005

Is it... safe?

Sherrard posted:

SUaSD is funny and serious at the same time while Drakkenstrike is just another lovely unboxer who reads rules at you.

Yeah, but his video is in HD and I can actually get a good look at what I'm getting for the exorbitant price of a new game. That puts him ahead of Vasel, who just throws a pile of components on the table and then spergs out about how cool pirates are. I don't think there are many(any?) reviewers whose opinions I actually value in determining whether I will enjoy a game or not. No one is ever harsh on bad games.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -

Karnegal posted:

Yeah, but his video is in HD and I can actually get a good look at what I'm getting for the exorbitant price of a new game. That puts him ahead of Vasel, who just throws a pile of components on the table and then spergs out about how cool pirates are. I don't think there are many(any?) reviewers whose opinions I actually value in determining whether I will enjoy a game or not. No one is ever harsh on bad games.

Shut Up and Sit Down is usually pretty real when it comes to recommending against games.

KamikazeJim
Sep 15, 2006

oh fuck are you seeing this bomb man. ARE YOU SEEING THIS?

Karnegal posted:

Yeah, but his video is in HD and I can actually get a good look at what I'm getting for the exorbitant price of a new game. That puts him ahead of Vasel, who just throws a pile of components on the table and then spergs out about how cool pirates are. I don't think there are many(any?) reviewers whose opinions I actually value in determining whether I will enjoy a game or not. No one is ever harsh on bad games.

Vasel actually took a huge figurative dump on GoHoops (a really bad basketball dice game) recently. It was refreshing to see him so negative about it.

iceyman
Jul 11, 2001


I like Vasel's reviews for what they are. He shows you the game components, goes over the rules a bit, and then has a little bit of opinion at the end. That's enough for me. I actually prefer that he keeps the opinion portion light. I can usually make up my own mind by what he show cases.

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

PROGRAM
A > - - -
LR > > - -
LL > - - -
COMING SOON:

https://vimeo.com/48661205


poo poo YES

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR
The other thing is that Vasel doesn't praise the games like Undead and Drakkenstrike do, and then sell them in two weeks. It makes them look like hypocrites and reduces any credibility they might have. Drakkenstrike in particular comes across as all knowing and nearly condescending, I haven't missed him.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Lorini posted:

The other thing is that Vasel doesn't praise the games like Undead and Drakkenstrike do, and then sell them in two weeks. It makes them look like hypocrites and reduces any credibility they might have.

I don't know how many reviews these people do per month, but they may have to sell their review copies on to make room for the next intake.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Jedit posted:

I don't know how many reviews these people do per month, but they may have to sell their review copies on to make room for the next intake.

I can understand that but it just gives the appearance of a racket. They do positive reviews, they get free games, they sell the free games. How much credibility do they really have?

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The Dregs
Dec 29, 2005

MY TREEEEEEEE!
What is a good game that can be played with kids in the 8-10 year old range? I mean these cool new games you all are talking about, not Monopoly or Stratego. I almost bought Small World today, but I didn't want to plop down 55 bucks on a maybe.

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