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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Random-rear end car show in town, found out about it when I went out for groceries:











Also, a museum:








Warcabbit posted:


Yep. License plate matches. That's the American Graffiti Deuce!


No poo poo? I figured it was just a replica, had no idea that's actually the one from the film.

Wow, I still have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that George Lucas once knew how to make movies.

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 5, 2012

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Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE
Gotta remember to get eggs, milk, and some loving amazing impromptu pictures. Also toothpaste.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret
Wait. Wait. Holy poo poo. That there was a historic hot rod.
http://thehotrodshop.net/graffiti.html
Yep. License plate matches. That's the American Graffiti Deuce!

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE
It's way more likely he's just rocking one of Jim Shine's plates.

I want every single one of those on a wall in my future dream garage.

Oops, you're right. The '1' is different from the movie. Maybe an ebay plate, then?
\/\/\/\/\/

Boomerjinks fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Sep 5, 2012

DropShadow
Apr 15, 2003

Close-up of the plate from the fullsize pic on flickr.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
My apologies on mis-identifying the tank/tank killer and when it was used, I don't know Russian and it didn't look like it'd been sitting for that long :stare:

Russian engineering and repairs are awesome in a "as a shadetree mechanic repairing things in my yard that's exactly how I'd go about fixing a tank in a field" sort of a way.

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010
I really liked that they just backed it into a (few) spot(s) at the shop like "Yeah, that's our tank, nbd" :smug:

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

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трø ÿþ трø ÿþûþÑÂúø
Didnt we at one point have a Tank thread? Also technically its not considered a Tank in Russian since the turret doesn't move but instead a "Somahodnoya obstanovka" which translates literally into Self propelled [artillery] platform.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I thought that distinction was universal?

An observer
Aug 30, 2008

where the stars are drowning and whales ferry their vast souls through the black and seamless sea

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

1950s GP cars aren't they?


IOwnCalculus posted:

Yeah, they look like front-engined F1 cars to me. The front-engined Indycars of the era were often referred to as roadsters.


bennyfactor posted:

Like others have said, these are open-wheel roadsters; the first one is a Maserati 250F, and the second is a Ferarri 340. They are F1 cars but both manufacturers made similar models for Indianapolis as well.


Thanks a bunch peeps!

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

âрø ÿþûþÑÂúø,
трø ÿþ трø ÿþûþÑÂúø

InitialDave posted:

I thought that distinction was universal?

I guess you would just call it a howitzer tank in English.

All I know is that the Germans called it the Dosenöffner which as I'm sure you all know means can opener.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

InitialDave posted:

I thought that distinction was universal?

Not really. The Swedish S-tank didn't have a turret, but it's still called a tank.

Back during WWII you didn't have main battle tanks intended for multi-role use. Broadly speaking, you had light tanks that had tiny little guns and thin armor for moving around fast and scouting and maybe shooting at infantry and other lightly-armored stuff. You had heavy tanks with heavy armor and large guns for standing there and getting shot at and shooting back and blowing poo poo up. You had medium tanks that were sort of a compromise between the other two. Some countries did things differently, they'd have infantry tanks which were slow but heavily armored that were supposed to operate and advance with the infantry, to open up a hole in the line and then a "cruiser" tank that could move much faster but had much thinner armor could race through the hole and get into the rear. And then you had tank destroyers, which unlike the others were designed for the specialist role of shooting at other tanks. They often didn't have turrets, they sometimes had completely open tops, and generally thin armor, because you then used all that weight savings and placed an unusually large gun in the thing.

Again, that's broadly speaking, it's like "battleship" and "fast battleship" and "armored cruiser" and "battlecruiser," the definitions get really fuzzy around the edges and you can sit and argue about what's a heavy tank and what's a medium tank and what's a tank destroyer. Like the S-tank's a tank, but damned if I can tell you why it's not a TD, except that the concept of tank destroyer and all those other specialized things had been replaced in doctrine by the main battle tank and dammit that's what we're going to call this thing even if it doesn't have a turret. *Especially* with something like the ISU-152, you can call it a self-propelled artillery piece or you can call it a tank destroyer or you can call it an assault gun and you'll probably be right or wrong based upon the muzzle elevation.

Blooot
Mar 19, 2001


How have I never heard of this car before -- so amazing.

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2063.html

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Preoptopus posted:

I guess you would just call it a howitzer tank in English.
I would say "Self-Propelled Gun".

Phanatic posted:

Not really. The Swedish S-tank didn't have a turret, but it's still called a tank.
Interesting. The British Abbot (and its replacement S90) does have a turret, and is an SPG.

My catchall has always been that if it can fire the main gun while moving, it's a tank, if it's meant to be stopped and used as a field gun, it's an SPG.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

InitialDave posted:

I would say "Self-Propelled Gun".

Interesting. The British Abbot (and its replacement S90) does have a turret, and is an SPG.

My catchall has always been that if it can fire the main gun while moving, it's a tank, if it's meant to be stopped and used as a field gun, it's an SPG.

SPG describes more of an artillery piece, like you said, stops and fires. Assault guns are mobile, often turretless, and capable of firing on the move.

Its an Assault Gun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_gun

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Sep 5, 2012

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


I saw this mustang driving around, i can't identify the model, but i could tell it's a mustang from the tail lights.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

InitialDave posted:

I would say "Self-Propelled Gun".

Interesting. The British Abbot (and its replacement S90) does have a turret, and is an SPG.

My catchall has always been that if it can fire the main gun while moving, it's a tank, if it's meant to be stopped and used as a field gun, it's an SPG.

Turreted tanks during WWII rarely fired while moving, it's next to impossible to hit anything that way. Until stabilized guns were developed tanks generally stopped to fire, at least at ranges where ramming wasn't an option. The Abbot could theoretically lower the gun enough to engage vehicles in direct-fire, but the sights coupled with the fact that gun elevation was a manual operation would make that pretty damned impractical and nobody was planning on doing it.

The S-tank is designed to sit in defilade, kill some Soviet tanks, and then back up to the next prepared position. The gun can, theoretically, fire while moving, but the gun's fixed to the hull. Normally the thing uses a hydraulic system to make small adjustments to the suspension, and that's how the gun is aimed, so you obviously won't be able to fire with any sort of accuracy while on the move with that sort of system. It even has a second driver, with a second set of controls, at the rear of the tank, so it can drive at full speed in reverse. Fire, fire, back up, fire, fire, repeat. And yet the thing's called a main battle tank, not a TD or SPG. Weird.

A few more from the Simeone Museum:

Ferrari wallpaper if you're a fan:


Stirling Moss's DBR9


Peugeot used to make pretty cars. Not sure about the leather straps though:

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 5, 2012

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
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Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
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Powershift posted:

I saw this mustang driving around, i can't identify the model, but i could tell it's a mustang from the tail lights.



I love playing the "Name that headlight/taillight" game with motorhomes.

MrSaturn
Sep 8, 2004

Go ahead, laugh. They all laugh at first...

Phanatic posted:


A few more from the Simeone Museum:

Ferrari wallpaper if you're a fan:



Cool, thanks. Pininfarina fact: did you know they did the design on the Coke Freestyle machine's body?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

MrSaturn posted:

Cool, thanks. Pininfarina fact: did you know they did the design on the Coke Freestyle machine's body?


That explains why I have the urge to hump those things every time I see them!

An observer
Aug 30, 2008

where the stars are drowning and whales ferry their vast souls through the black and seamless sea
While running today, I saw a car I couldn't identify. I didn't have my phone on me and it was gone by the time I came back for pictures. So here is a lovely from-memory picture I drew:



Really low to the ground, enough that the sideview mirror was comically high, racing slicks, four exhaust pipes, etc. What the hell was it?

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

If TVR made a conversion van, it would look like this.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


was it an invader GT?

An observer
Aug 30, 2008

where the stars are drowning and whales ferry their vast souls through the black and seamless sea
Nope.

MonkeyNutZ
Dec 26, 2008

"A cave isn't gonna cut it, we're going to have to use Beebo"
0.0001% chance it was a Ferrari 250GTO Breadvan but they look like this:

An observer
Aug 30, 2008

where the stars are drowning and whales ferry their vast souls through the black and seamless sea
Well, that's about the right body shape but:

-The front end didn't have all those vents and round holes in it, there was just this little slot vent on the bottom of the nose
-There was like this wedge in the roof (which is flat in the breadvan) and there was some engine part sticking out of it (some disc-like thing)
-Air intakes in front of the rear wheels

It looks similar from the side though.

The more I think about it, the more I'm sure it's some sort of kit on like, a fiero or something :v:. No badges anywhere. The fairings seemed pretty flimsy and it seemed like there was a lot of space between them and the inner frame of the car. If that makes sense. I dunno, I'm more of a motorcycle gal.

An observer fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Sep 6, 2012

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style
Replica Lola T70?

http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/1969_Lola_T70_Mark_III_Race_CarReplica_Rear_1.jpg

slurry_curry
Nov 26, 2003
<3mini-moni+animu^_^



Lotus Europa?

Actually, after your second description prolly not, but it was the first thing that came to mind from the drawing.

An observer
Aug 30, 2008

where the stars are drowning and whales ferry their vast souls through the black and seamless sea

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was this. The cockpit was a little bit different, but everything else is a dead ringer. Thanks!


Negromancer posted:



Lotus Europa?

Actually, after your second description prolly not, but it was the first thing that came to mind from the drawing.

Nope, but that's nice as hell, I really like the rims.

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!

Phanatic posted:

Not really. The Swedish S-tank didn't have a turret, but it's still called a tank.

Back during WWII you didn't have main battle tanks intended for multi-role use. Broadly speaking, you had light tanks that had tiny little guns and thin armor for moving around fast and scouting and maybe shooting at infantry and other lightly-armored stuff. You had heavy tanks with heavy armor and large guns for standing there and getting shot at and shooting back and blowing poo poo up. You had medium tanks that were sort of a compromise between the other two. Some countries did things differently, they'd have infantry tanks which were slow but heavily armored that were supposed to operate and advance with the infantry, to open up a hole in the line and then a "cruiser" tank that could move much faster but had much thinner armor could race through the hole and get into the rear. And then you had tank destroyers, which unlike the others were designed for the specialist role of shooting at other tanks. They often didn't have turrets, they sometimes had completely open tops, and generally thin armor, because you then used all that weight savings and placed an unusually large gun in the thing.

Again, that's broadly speaking, it's like "battleship" and "fast battleship" and "armored cruiser" and "battlecruiser," the definitions get really fuzzy around the edges and you can sit and argue about what's a heavy tank and what's a medium tank and what's a tank destroyer. Like the S-tank's a tank, but damned if I can tell you why it's not a TD, except that the concept of tank destroyer and all those other specialized things had been replaced in doctrine by the main battle tank and dammit that's what we're going to call this thing even if it doesn't have a turret. *Especially* with something like the ISU-152, you can call it a self-propelled artillery piece or you can call it a tank destroyer or you can call it an assault gun and you'll probably be right or wrong based upon the muzzle elevation.

continuing tank derail...

Separating "Light", "Medium", "Heavy", "Infantry" and "Cruiser" tanks really came down to how and what the country producing/fielding them called them. In WWII, it was really only the British who used "Infantry" and "Cruiser" tanks, but by late ware they were using the whole 'weight' designations (in part because of lend lease...)

What gets confusing is different countries have different definitions of what is light, medium, and heavy. The Italians had the L3/35 (Light, 3 ton) tankettes and the L6/40 which were both by and far lighter than what anyone else was fielding. The Italians had medium tanks that were as light at 11 tons (M11/39), with the heaviest being 15 tons (M15/42). Compare this with the M3 Stuart "Honey" which weighed a whopping 16 tons and was classified a 'light' tank by both the US and British. And again, the built-but-never-used P26/40, Italy's only "heavy" tank weighed 4 tons less than the M4 Sherman medium tank.

This sort of confusion continues, too, when separating spg, assault gun, tank hunter. During WWII, the US/UK were the only forces using turreted tank destroyers (M10, M18, M36), and before those a tank destroyer was a 37mm gun mounted on the back of a 3/4 ton truck. Really it comes down to what the intention of the user was, I think, rather than our own interpretations of what something is or isn't. After all, tank destroyers were used as spgs during the Italian campaign by all sides.

In the case of the ISU-152, I could be wrong (I'm not history buff), but I've been under the impression that it's primary use was as an assault gun that could handily kill heavy tanks as well.

To not deviate too far from the thread, here is a Porsche I think I stole from the first thread:

Olivil
Jul 15, 2010

Wow I'd like to be as smart as a computer

I believe in tilt-shift photography but this HAS to be a model.

Octopus Magic
Dec 19, 2003

I HATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU LIKE* AND I NEED TO BE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I POST

*unless it's a DSM in which case we cool ^_^

Olivil posted:

I believe in tilt-shift photography but this HAS to be a model.

too much tire detail/blinker detail/rivets to be a model.

You can't get the kind of metallic gloss off a model like a real piece of machined steel.

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
This dude saw me snapping a pic while he was in the drive through next to my work so he cruised it on around to let me take more. ITS REAL :swoon:









Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010

Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:

This dude saw me snapping a pic while he was in the drive through next to my work so he cruised it on around to let me take more. ITS REAL :swoon:











I love you, I love this car, I love that the driver was so cool about it.

Drivers of old BMW's are 99% cool dudes.

INCHI DICKARI
Aug 23, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
This one was a Euro spec that was sent to Japan, then he bought it. He loved it so much he bought a second real one as well. Apparently he owns 2 out of the 3 legit Turbos in Washington.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

There is only one thing to describe that 2002. That thing is :gizz:

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Serious dreamcar status.

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Warcabbit posted:


Dig the old logo.



drat that thing is beautiful.

Remember when Ford was on their retro kick? I still pine for this car since I saw it at NAIAS 11 years ago. V8, RWD, two doors and the size of a small boat.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

SouthLAnd posted:

drat that thing is beautiful.

Remember when Ford was on their retro kick? I still pine for this car since I saw it at NAIAS 11 years ago. V8, RWD, two doors and the size of a small boat.



This car was loving glorious and I'm sad they only made the one.

Also,

Octopus Magic posted:

You can't get the kind of metallic gloss off a model like a real piece of machined steel.
You can if it's aluminum :). But I still think it's just weird lighting on the actual car.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:

This dude saw me snapping a pic while he was in the drive through next to my work so he cruised it on around to let me take more. ITS REAL :swoon:

02 Turbos are great, and those front airdam stickers remain the most passive-aggressive thing ever fitted to a production car. Pretty certain they just couldn't find room for the German for REVO EVOM.

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