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Random: The "Chaos in Zion" quest in Honest Hearts is hysterical. During the opening ambush, I killed the idiot with the Vault 22 gear on and all the Happy Trails caravan people. I barked off Follows Chalk and then walked straight into Joshua Graham's camp, listened to his speech, told him I killed Ceasar, then calmly walked behind him and blew his head off with a single Gobi Sniper Rifle shot. Commence the entire DLC going aggro on me. It was fun running around just slaughtering everyone, including Daniel. It renders the entire forced morality tale of the DLC completely moot in seconds: "poo poo, why the gently caress did we let this guy in Zion?"
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FairGame posted:Is there any point at all to the Minigun? It's really the only weapon I've never tried, because: The strength of the minigun is in the 5mm ammo, which is one of the most plentiful in the game and has inherent DT bypass. It's one of the "heavy" weapons you can use regularly- I was never really able to get my hands on enough missiles or mini-nukes to ever justify hauling around Annabelle or the Fat Man, but with the minigun you can get 5000, 6000, 7000 rounds for it easily; even more if you're buying surplus ammo. Load it up with AP ammo and it kills anything, but that's any gun with AP ammo.
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Sep 6, 2012 22:24
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The Minigun and Avenger are more like guns for people with high ST than inherently superior guns. If you have a high ST and/or Weapon Handling, they are very accurate and their DPS is crazy. With 5mm AP ammo, everything dies, even at long range. The Gatling Laser and Sprtel-Wood 9700 are similar but have lower ST requirements. The Gatling Laser has a relatively low DAM and high RoF. The Sprtel-Wood 9700 has a high base DAM and lower RoF.
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Sep 6, 2012 22:37
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I built a character around the minigun, and rope kid is right as one would expect, everything dies. She was fun to play and I kept her well dressed. We posed for a pic after we cleared Quarry Junction.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:01
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Alright, fine. I guess I'll make an NCR-aligned minigun dude who totes Raul along to keep the gun from falling apart.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:01
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I'm using a sawed off shotgun, Vance's Tommy Gun (or 9mm or whatever the official name is) and the Hunting Revolver. No idea if that'll get me slaughtered once I leave the Strip, but they're fine for mowing down gangsters. I need some decent armor; I'm still using the combat armor I won at a casino. I've broke every bank, but spent all those caps on Implants so I've only got about 10000 caps. I could buy the anti-material rifle from the BoS.
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Sep 6, 2012 23:06
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If you use guns and are somewhat sneaky, you owe it to yourself to get the anti-material rifle. That thing is a beast, and you can even put a suppressor on it, though it doesn't silence it completely.
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FairGame posted:Str needs to be base 5 anyway if I'm going to take Strong Back (which is a must when playing on HC) This is untrue, while I'm not yet rocking the jsawyer.esp, every run I've done is on hardcore and I've never taken strong back or the other weight increase perk, and I've done just fine. E: Argali posted:Random: The "Chaos in Zion" quest in Honest Hearts is hysterical. During the opening ambush, I killed the idiot with the Vault 22 gear on and all the Happy Trails caravan people. I barked off Follows Chalk and then walked straight into Joshua Graham's camp, listened to his speech, told him I killed Ceasar, then calmly walked behind him and blew his head off with a single Gobi Sniper Rifle shot. Commence the entire DLC going aggro on me. It was fun running around just slaughtering everyone, including Daniel. It renders the entire forced morality tale of the DLC completely moot in seconds: "poo poo, why the gently caress did we let this guy in Zion?" My drunk cowboy wasn't about to listen to Daniel being a dick to him about the map after I'd gotten him the poo poo Joshua asked for, so guess who had to die? JawKnee fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Sep 7, 2012 |
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:If you use guns and are somewhat sneaky, you owe it to yourself to get the anti-material rifle. That thing is a beast, and you can even put a suppressor on it, though it doesn't silence it completely. Plus, I know I keep saying this, .50 MG Explosive. You don't even have to aim directly at people- aim for the middle of a group of people hundreds of yards away and watch the ragdolls fly. It's also a great Deathclaw killer.
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Sep 7, 2012 02:10
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Man, Come Fly With Me has weird placement in terms of general quest progression. If you're following the main quest as per the game's recommendation you'll get to Novac around Level 6-7, and if you agree to help Manny Vargas instead of just reading his emails (I usually do this, but he drops you into the middle of a mess of hostile ghouls and nightkin. The ghouls aren't so bad since I just snuck around sneak attacking them, but man, the nightkin were taking me out in three hits, and Davison especially in two. I never would have made it through without Raul.
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Sep 7, 2012 02:22
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Mr. Squishy posted:Team Fortress 2 had that, I don't know if it's their original idea though. Team Fortress Classic did this, too.
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Wolfsheim posted:Man, Come Fly With Me has weird placement in terms of general quest progression. If you're following the main quest as per the game's recommendation you'll get to Novac around Level 6-7, and if you agree to help Manny Vargas instead of just reading his emails (I usually do this, but he drops you into the middle of a mess of hostile ghouls and nightkin. The ghouls aren't so bad since I just snuck around sneak attacking them, but man, the nightkin were taking me out in three hits, and Davison especially in two. I never would have made it through without Raul. I thought the nightkin segment was easiest if you just popped a stealth-boy and had a look for Harlands friend without being spotted, then you go back to Davison and he grumbles and sods off without anyone dying  . But I'm really confused, you say that the nightkin make it very difficult to do that quest so early, so you picked Raul by fighting an even larger group of super mutants and nightkin in a far more difficult quest to pass it?
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Is there a mod to import New Vegas' crafting into Fallout 3?
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Wolfsheim posted:Man, Come Fly With Me has weird placement in terms of general quest progression. If you're following the main quest as per the game's recommendation you'll get to Novac around Level 6-7, and if you agree to help Manny Vargas instead of just reading his emails (I usually do this, but he drops you into the middle of a mess of hostile ghouls and nightkin. The ghouls aren't so bad since I just snuck around sneak attacking them, but man, the nightkin were taking me out in three hits, and Davison especially in two. I never would have made it through without Raul. I was accidently playing on Normal during that segment and most Nightkin died in a few hits from my overpowered Courier's Stash gear and Ed-E's laser.
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Pope Guilty posted:Is there a mod to import New Vegas' crafting into Fallout 3? This allows you to play all of Fallout 3 from within New Vegas. I've heard it's buggy, though.
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khwarezm posted:I thought the nightkin segment was easiest if you just popped a stealth-boy and had a look for Harlands friend without being spotted, then you go back to Davison and he grumbles and sods off without anyone dying Getting Raul without combat is pretty trivially easy. You can literally walk from Hidden Valley past the centaurs' area right up to the back of Tabitha's compound, or just sneak up the mountain by hopping a bit and avoiding the roads. From there you can either sneak in via stealth boy and activate Rhonda or make a mad dash and activate Rhonda. Either way this causes all the nightkin to despawn and blammo, enjoy the best follower in the game. But in Come Fly With Me, you either have to fight your way through or activate a stealth boy (probably more than one) and sneak through narrow hallways hoping not to bump into any invisible nightkin, pickpocket a key from an invisible boss-level nightkin jailer, and get back to Harland without ever alerting anyone. Unless you know the route and have high sneak, its not happening, and even just accidentally getting the attention of one nightkin and killing him in self-defense makes Davison hostile to you. Count Chocula posted:I was accidently playing on Normal during that segment and most Nightkin died in a few hits from my overpowered Courier's Stash gear and Ed-E's laser. Sorry, I only play on Very Hard 
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I usually just kill Harland, tbh.
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Sep 7, 2012 05:24
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JawKnee posted:I usually just kill Harland, tbh. That's terrible, he's just confused  I'm sure he'd be a really nice guy if he wasn't schizophrenic.
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Sep 7, 2012 05:30
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Wait, is Harland not the ghoul who set up that killzone in the basement?
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Upmarket Mango posted:That's terrible, he's just confused by fragging Harland you get a hunting rifle plus some ammo, a outfit that bumps up your barter if your into hording things and love buying cheaper things like i do, and some information that will make the Nightkin leave on a terminal upstairs. JawKnee posted:Wait, is Harland not the ghoul who set up that killzone in the basement? Yeah that's the guy who sets up the killzone in the basement. Mushball fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Sep 7, 2012 |
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Sep 7, 2012 05:55
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Pickpocketing is unnecessary. There is a second key, which I happened to find entirely by luck (so it IS possible!)
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Upmarket Mango posted:That's terrible, he's just confused He's not schitzophrenic. Harland is perfectly lucid. He was trapped in a place with a girl he wanted to bang, he had people coming after him he couldn't see, so he set up a killzone. When he is told that the girl is gone, he might as well run for it, he vamooses.
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Oops. I was thinking of the Super Mutant with the cow skull. 
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Pope Guilty posted:Plus, I know I keep saying this, .50 MG Explosive. You don't even have to aim directly at people- aim for the middle of a group of people hundreds of yards away and watch the ragdolls fly. It's also a great Deathclaw killer. The last time I cleared out Quarry Junction, I did it with an AMR shooting HE rounds, switching over to a brush gun with AP rounds as appropriate. After clearing it out, I was going around looting the place, and thinking that drat consoles had gotten rid of the baby deathclaws that used to hang around the Mother Deathclaw. Then I realized that one .50 MG HE round aimed at the momma deathclaw's leg killed all the surrounding baby deathclaws.
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Wolfsheim posted:
You don't have to pickpocket the nightkin jailer for the key, there's one in one of the top floor rooms in the place he's patrolling.
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Pope Guilty posted:Is there a mod to import New Vegas' crafting into Fallout 3? thrakkorzog posted:The last time I cleared out Quarry Junction, I did it with an AMR shooting HE rounds, switching over to a brush gun with AP rounds as appropriate. After clearing it out, I was going around looting the place, and thinking that drat consoles had gotten rid of the baby deathclaws that used to hang around the Mother Deathclaw. Then I realized that one .50 MG HE round aimed at the momma deathclaw's leg killed all the surrounding baby deathclaws. http://www.bethblog.com/2011/09/24/more-of-the-gun-runners-arsenal/ quote:.50MG Explosive - High caliber ordnance for our high caliber clients. Available now at select dealers, this terrifying round produces a secondary blast after driving into its target. Recommended uses: Deathclaw Mothers amidst their young, Brotherhood Paladins surrounded by Scribes, or a particularly annoying pack of Geckos. Bring your piggy bank: MSRP is 40 caps per round. rope kid fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 7, 2012 |
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I haven't actually played a game yet where I don't accidentally murder all the nightkin before I find their leader.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I haven't actually played a game yet where I don't accidentally murder all the nightkin before I find their leader. I usually find the leader, get the quest, and then get attacked 
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Yeah, the best way to do that quest is to just pick up the Hunting Revolver that's on the main floor in the room with the safe. Then pop 1 stealth boy (you'll be swimming in them) before you enter Harland's room, and shoot him in the head. Then go read the computers and talk to Davison. No muss, no fuss.
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I got to Novac pretty early in my playthrough and my FO3 conditioning led me to murder all nightkin on sight.
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I still want to know how he knows I hosed with his cow skull...
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anviroid posted:I still want to know how he knows I hosed with his cow skull... Well, he does talk to it. Maybe it talks back 
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thedouche posted:I got to Novac pretty early in my playthrough and my FO3 conditioning led me to murder all nightkin on sight. The fact that there are several between him and the entrance who all attack you immediately makes this a more than fair reaction.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Well, he does talk to it. Maybe it talks back What do you mean "maybe"?  thehumandignity posted:The fact that there are several between him and the entrance who all attack you immediately makes this a more than fair reaction. And they come out of nowhere invisible, too. Still, on your next run, you'll probably be considerate enough to let them be. Do no evil and all.
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anviroid posted:I still want to know how he knows I hosed with his cow skull... It's actually really buggy, and even if it jiggles too much based on how it's drawn/spawned/whatever he becomes instantly hostile.
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I couldn't be bothered to delete all those DLC packs and just sold off most of it. I did keep the Mercenaries' grenade rifle, though. Which let me kill that first group of Caesar's Legion you encounter in Nipton, including Vulpes Inculta. Which I don't think you're supposed to do at lvl 4 or whatever. It's alright though because it came back and bit me in the rear end as I'm now forced to fight assassins who are way better than me at everything.  Is there some way to make the legion like me a bit better without actually working for them? They seem like assholes. Also, is it useful to keep Legion/NCR money or should I just trade that in for caps?
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Saoshyant posted:And they come out of nowhere invisible, too. Still, on your next run, you'll probably be considerate enough to let them be. Do no evil and all. I don't know, he's leading a group of insane, tweaking, invisible monsters around on a perpetual quest for their next fix and they're killing anyone who happens to be in the vicinity out of a schizophrenic paranoia, so, it really might be best to give them all lead lobotomies. Just, you know, as a public safety concern. Personally I don't see how Novac ever survives them being allowed to leave the REPCON facility.
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thehumandignity posted:I don't know, he's leading a group of insane, tweaking, invisible monsters around on a perpetual quest for their next fix and they're killing anyone who happens to be in the vicinity out of a schizophrenic paranoia, so, it really might be best to give them all lead lobotomies. Just, you know, as a public safety concern. Personally I don't see how Novac ever survives them being allowed to leave the REPCON facility.
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:I couldn't be bothered to delete all those DLC packs and just sold off most of it. I did keep the Mercenaries' grenade rifle, though. Which let me kill that first group of Caesar's Legion you encounter in Nipton, including Vulpes Inculta. Which I don't think you're supposed to do at lvl 4 or whatever. MrL_JaKiri posted:You'll get a reputation reset later in the game You can pickpocket NCR dogtags and turn 'em over to the Legion for reputation, which is the only "easy" (i.e. repeatable) way to improve your standing with them without actually completing missions for them (and there's really very few Legion quests outside of their main questline), though you may have cut yourself off from being able to do this until you get the reputation reset. Do you still get Legion assassins sent after you with the Wild Child reputation? I don't think I've ever seen any but then I never spent too much time in the Mojave since pissing them off (after my pickpocketing convinced them I was some sort of NCR-slaughtering machine so they would turn over the keys to their safehouse).
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