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Blompkin posted:I use the Turian Sentinel + Indra in exactly the same way. The only problem I have is when a Phantom manages to sneak up into short distance with me, with its barrier already up. All I can really think of doing is trying to run away.
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Elotana posted:Detonate your tech armor to stagger her and then run away Or heavy melee her if you're on lower difficulties. You do still need to zap or detonate beforehand to stagger her though, because while your melee won't stagger her, her melee will stagger you, frequently straight out of your melee animation (and its DR) so you end up doing jack poo poo besides taking a lot of damage.
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Kraven Moorhed posted:Might I ask why people like this gun at all? It's complete trash on an Infiltrator since you lose your cloak bonus after the first shot. I've tried using it as an assault rifle, but having to scope in to avoid the damage penalty is a huge liability. You can even use a power like Energy Drain from cloak and still have a window to get the damage boost afterwards, even without taking the bonus power evolution.
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Whaaa? I thought you only got one shot.
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Elotana posted:Detonate your tech armor to stagger her and then run away Yeah, that's what I thought. What build do you use for overload? Do you go for disabling mobs or maxing out shield damage? Right now I have a mix (chain-neural-damage) and it doesn't seem quite good enough at either. What do you think?
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Felinoid posted:Or heavy melee her if you're on lower difficulties. You do still need to zap or detonate beforehand to stagger her though, because while your melee won't stagger her, her melee will stagger you, frequently straight out of your melee animation (and its DR) so you end up doing jack poo poo besides taking a lot of damage. The Phantoms are the one thing in the game that I find difficult to deal with. Geth Primes, Atlas Mechs, Banshees and everything else are a doddle, but Phantoms continually seem to be able to sneak up behind me and run their swords through me, or if I do see them at the last minute it's so hard to get shots in with them dodging about and with their barriers up.
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Sep 11, 2012 20:00
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James R posted:The Phantoms are the one thing in the game that I find difficult to deal with. Geth Primes, Atlas Mechs, Banshees and everything else are a doddle, but Phantoms continually seem to be able to sneak up behind me and run their swords through me, or if I do see them at the last minute it's so hard to get shots in with them dodging about and with their barriers up. I'm the opposite. I don't mind phantoms because they are squishy and you can stagger them to death. On the other hand, the more tanky things like atlases get on my nerves because they can dish out good damage and take forever to kill.
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Sep 11, 2012 20:06
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Blompkin posted:Yeah, that's what I thought. Try it the other way around, damage-neural-chain. The last Chain evo also increases damage, and the first damage evo increases damage against anything, and not just shields and synthetics like the last damage evo.
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I don't take either chain overload as a TN. If you're mostly working at a distance with the Indra then crowd control isn't as big a deal.
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Elotana posted:I don't take either chain overload as a TN. If you're mostly working at a distance with the Indra then crowd control isn't as big a deal. I'll have to give that a try. Here's the build I was thinking: http://narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#31OMPFFf0@0@A@@@0@0@0@0 Thanks for the help! Blompkin fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Sep 11, 2012 |
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Sep 11, 2012 20:39
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Can we expect to see operation packs today? I'm not even really able to play but I have time to get mah loot!
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Try it the other way around, damage-neural-chain. The last Chain evo also increases damage, and the first damage evo increases damage against anything, and not just shields and synthetics like the last damage evo. The issue with this is the damage evolution at 6 is so good against shields that you can't afford to miss it, unless you want a pure crowd control build. The +100% damage is multiplicative, not additive, and overload has a starting bonus vs. shields of 3x. The final upgrade bonus jumps that to 6x. Overload built your way will do 363 damage, meaning 1089 against shields. Overload built chain-neural-damage will do 264 damage, and 1584 against shields. This is without other bonuses like tech armor, racial passives, equipment, and gear. With all that stuff, you can get so high as to pop the shields on anything short of an Atlas or Banshee in one cast.
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Dr Intergalactic posted:Can we expect to see operation packs today? I'm not even really able to play but I have time to get mah loot! I thought they'd have been out already, to be honest.
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James R posted:The Phantoms are the one thing in the game that I find difficult to deal with. Geth Primes, Atlas Mechs, Banshees and everything else are a doddle, but Phantoms continually seem to be able to sneak up behind me and run their swords through me, or if I do see them at the last minute it's so hard to get shots in with them dodging about and with their barriers up. Phantoms are fun to kill if you're a class that has an ability that can stagger them and then blow them up. Kroguard and Slayer (and likely the rest of the vanguards) can just charge them and then finish them off with heavy melee or phase disruptor, respectively. Turian soldier can proximity mine them to keep them staggered while he shoots at them. All good fun. It's when you can't stagger them that they become a chore to deal with. My biggest problem with Phantoms is that I have the horrible luck of accidentally running around corners into Cerberus spawn points a second or two after a wave starts just as the Phantoms are rushing out. Then they insta-kill me as soon as I see them and that's that. Usually as long as I can hear the 'chatter' that Phantoms give off I know they're around, but right when they spawn they don't seem to make the noise (or I just don't hear it). This weekend playing the Kroguard I did have two hilarious situations where I got boxed in by a Phantom and was able to charge just as it had started its insta-kill animation. In both cases I was sure I was dead because the camera kind of changed position like it does when a Phantom gets you and she was in her wind up, but then all of a sudden WHAM and I would be charging into her. That's a very satisfying feeling.
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Dr Intergalactic posted:Can we expect to see operation packs today? I'm not even really able to play but I have time to get mah loot! Generally it's Tuesday for the Victory Packs and Tuesday-Thursday for the Commendation Packs. Nothing yet, but that doesn't mean anything. I'd really only start getting concerned about the Victory Pack in about four hours, if at all, since the Victory Packs are usually drek.
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quote:Overload Power Good buff for overload, didn't really need it. All those weapons still suck, they don't fix the issues that make them unusable (travel time for graal and kishock, weight and recoil on crusader)
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Do Krysaes still rip Phantoms to shreds? That was one good thing about the rifle even after the initial nerf, but I haven't used it in over a month and don't know if anything else changed.quote:Crusader Shotgun 
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Wet Biscuit McGlee posted:All those weapons still suck, they don't fix the issues that make them unusable (travel time for graal and kishock, weight and recoil on crusader)
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Elotana posted:I think you're confusing "non-optimal" with "unusable" Maybe. Since the game has been giving me crusaders in every other pack I've been trying my best to find a use for it. Best thing I can find for it is as a sidearm on destroyers and demolishers. Given that my preferred class is a Batarian Soldier with a Wraith, I do have a soft spot for less than top tier loadouts.
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EvanSchenck posted:The issue with this is the damage evolution at 6 is so good against shields that you can't afford to miss it, unless you want a pure crowd control build. The +100% damage is multiplicative, not additive, and overload has a starting bonus vs. shields of 3x. The final upgrade bonus jumps that to 6x. Overload built your way will do 363 damage, meaning 1089 against shields. Overload built chain-neural-damage will do 264 damage, and 1584 against shields. This is without other bonuses like tech armor, racial passives, equipment, and gear. With all that stuff, you can get so high as to pop the shields on anything short of an Atlas or Banshee in one cast. Pumpking posted:The power tooltips are far from comprehensive and overload in general is a very odd power. http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...14032123-1.html
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If you are complaining about the weight on the Crusader, run a Vorcha Sentinel with no Flamer socooldowns aren't a concern. Harrier in one hand, Crusader in the other. You have both a powerful shotgun and a pinpoint accurate sniper rifle, and the best AR in the game for mid-range.
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I use my Crusader with Vorcha, since they don't care about weight and flamer/melee already gives you plenty of killing power up close.
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I like the Kishock and Cryo Blast buffs, but both rather miss the point - it's bugs that make them both less than they could be - weird hit detection on the Kishock and the Incinerate damage bonus not working on chilled targets.
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A 10% increase on Graal damage AND a bigger headshot bonus? Ooh, my Batarian Soldier shivers at the idea of firing bigger spikes into people's faces from across the map.  Sure, you've got to be hosting to reliably mailslot a Guardian at 60 meters, but it's so worth it.Crusader buff is nice too. I've got a friend who can't stop talking about it, and I even use it on my Demolisher as a backup to the Harrier. I still like the Graal better as a sniping shotgun, though. EDIT: Make that two people I know. \/\/\/\/\/\/
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Wet Biscuit McGlee posted:unusable You are goddamn insane. Carrying just this thing by itself at level 1 regularly gives me top scores on Gold as Gethineer, blowing Phantoms' heads off left and right, to say nothing of Rocket Troopers and Marauders, with a very satisfactory amount of damage against armor as a bonus. Slightly awkward at close range, but it still just comes down to clicking on heads. Owl Inspector fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Sep 11, 2012 |
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Blompkin posted:I'll have to give that a try. Here's the build I was thinking: I would go for the Detonate evo on Warp. The extra damage from the Damage evo is pretty small to begin with and is dwarfed by the larger and more damaging BE. You'll need someone else to detonate it, but there is usually at least one other player on a team who can do that.
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Wet Biscuit McGlee posted:Good buff for overload, didn't really need it. It's not really a buff for overload so much as it's a buff for all the tech powers with travel times like incinerate and cryo blast. The Crusader is pretty great on a Krogan Sent built for melee. I'm not surprised that they keep buffing it's damage but I wish they'd throw the Eagle a bone while they're at it.
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Wet Biscuit McGlee posted:Graal Shotgun  I've been using the graal quite a bit recently as I managed to get it to 10 and have been playing a lot of batarian sentinel.
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Perfectly Cromulent posted:I would go for the Detonate evo on Warp. The extra damage from the Damage evo is pretty small to begin with and is dwarfed by the larger and more damaging BE. You'll need someone else to detonate it, but there is usually at least one other player on a team who can do that. Good point. I was annoyed at the low damage of warp without the damage bonus, but I guess the point is for its weakening/anti-armor effects and biotic combos, not damage from the ability itself. Updated: http://narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#31OQPFFf0@0@A@@@0@0@0@0 Thanks again!
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Here's my problem with the Crusader. I have a Claymore X and a Pirahna IV. So uh. Unless it's suddenly better than one of those.  The Graal on the other hand was my loving baby in the single player and I have that at X too so I guess I'll give that a shot. MJeff fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Sep 11, 2012 |
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Just ran a silver with a krogan sentinel equipped with Crusader V, and I'm very impressed. The gun is pinpoint accurate, hits like a truck AND has built in armour piercing. You can shoot right through guardian shields, and thanks to the built in mega accuracy and AP, you can save the non EB slot for extra ammo or melee attatchment.
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That Overload tech burst buff is great. Human Engies and Turian Sentinels should be tech bursting machines now.
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Paracelsus posted:I'd read that it actually was additive and only boosts damage to 4x. Nah. From the crazy Russian guy on BSN who's checked the values directly from in-game memory: "peddroelmz posted:Overload Base Damage is 220.. Will name X = base_damage * (1+sum of power damage bonuses) With the increased window for tech bursts, I guess I'll switch everyone over to Neural Shock. My Human Engineer was already based around tech bursts, but I guess now I can throw a Graal on her or something.
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Dilb posted:From the crazy Russian guy on BSN who's checked the values directly from in-game memory:  Looks like my Quarian Infiltrator is getting shelved for a bit. Sorry "Waifu", I need shield stripping more than robo glitching.As for the way cloak works, well, I see now why people use the Piranha. Might have to give that a shot while I'm at it. I'll still take even the Kishock over the Indra, though. Especially with that awesome new-buff smell.
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Damage/Neural Shock really seem like the best upgrades for 4/5. Chain at 6 could still be worth it so the choice for 6 is still up in the air as far as I'm concerned. Depends if you want to hit bosses hard or handle the little guys.
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Operation: VIGILANCE failed, apparently.
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Well I certainly hope they don't think this will prevent me from opening a support case with EA about not receiving my commendation pack...
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I'm honestly not surprised about this; a goal of a quarter million drone recoveries, which have a 20% of happening on each objective wave, three chances in each match... and I sure didn't see many in my matches over the weekend.
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